Thursday, August 26, 2010

Tony-Cara Rivera August 25 at 1:01pm Pastor


Tony-Cara Rivera August 25 at 1:01pm Report

My friend what in the world are you reading??? Do you not know what Romans 1 talk's about!!! Read the whole chapter my friend you are leading a lot people to Hell and there blood are on your hand's!!!!


18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. KJV

Now that I read it what? I guess you think a 65 year old Pentecostal (36 year background in the Assemblies of God) 27 years of preaching weekly on TV just means I don’t read the Bible? So strange how homophobes just love to assume. I bet you cannot give much background studying this issue. You ask me to read funny why don’t you read it? Verse 18 -23 has to mean something right? What do you think it means? It certainly appears Paul is talking about Hebrew adults that turned from GOD to gods right? So what did God do about it? Verses 24-25 “He gave them over” to what? Are you saying this is where str8 men became gay? Because they didn’t have the condition at first, meaning they could not have been having sex with the same sex up to then right? So you are telling me that 700 million of today’s gays as they grew up and became adults they first accepted Jesus then turned their backs on him and join Islam or Hinduism or some other religion? Islam in one radical group does expect to have 72 virgins in heaven, but this is str8 stuff.. There are some religion today that are into fertility sex. So before gays were gay they knew God and turned from him so God made them gay? Hmmmm. You see my 10s of 1000s of interviews over 36 years from my own ministry shows gay knew they were gay as children and rare any outside influence. Those the had become Christian never left it as adults (except because of Christian persecution and hatred from people like you). Verse 26-27? What does “burned in their lust” mean? Are you married? Or anyone in your family if you are not tell me about it. How did you meet your spouse? My assumption is you met someplace and began dating, during this dating you fell in love and after a time got married right? Now that you are married (or as you know the concept of love) how does it feel? When you have sex are you “burning in their lust”. Lust is a word you know with meaning and it is not designed for those in committed relationships, but for outside committed relationships. So if you know about love in a str8 couples life and you know applying burning in lust for one another is not what is happening. You somehow magically know that love between two people is wonderful especially if it is you and your spouse. Now in 26-27 are two Greek words “nature and natural” to make it simple they mean “seed and instinct” TODAY nature and natural does not mean like it did to Paul because Paul had no science to explain nature. What it meant to Paul is people that ordinarily had their married sex or any other equivalent (concubines were legal, sex with slave legal and other things we consider immoral were quite legal then and God apparently could care less because these things were discussed except as a fact David had hundreds of concubines and hundreds of wives and once his staff gave him a teenage girl for sex) God condemned David for adultery and sending Uriah to the frontlines. So what sort of thing was going on that Paul would use words that makes it go against nature? Gays were not going against their nature they were not str8 turned gay. 700 million gays today you can quickly learn gays are not str8 to start. Don’t confuse gays with bisexuals they are not bisexuals. Bisexuals is a whole another topic that is not easy to deal with. Gay did not turn gay. Gays do exactly what str8s do (meaning str8s that date and marry in the ordinary since, we are not talking rapists, prostitution, batterers and such) Gays meet, date, fall in love, and marry. I am in my 22nd year with my lover. We own our house and cars and have good jobs and are faithful. Again what in Paul’s day constitute against nature and burning in lust after turning from GOD to gods? This should be easy for a FACT there were fertility temples everywhere you look both in Rome and Corinth. I did several TV programs from temple ruins one of them was from the Temple of Cybele already most important in Paul’s day. She was the mother of the gods.

clip_image002This Spanish fountain depicts Cybele in
her chariot.

Cybele was an ancient fertility goddess, called "the Protectress of Rome," whose pagan temple loomed over first century Rome from atop the Palatine Hill. In Cybele’s temple, castrated Galli priests engaged in anal sex with men, in unholy worship of Cybele.

The religious situation Paul faced in first century Rome involved Romans and shrine prostitution.

To the Phoenicians she was Astarte; to the Phrygians, Cybele; to the Babylonians, Ishtar; to the Thracians, Bendis; to the Cretans, Rhea; to the Ephesians, Artemis; to the Canaanites, Atargatis; to the Persians, Anaitis; to the Cappadocians, Ma. But though her names differ, her attributes are the same - she is always the mother who succours and helps, and who bestows fertility.

This composite figure was generally known as Magna Mater, the great mother, and it was said that she was mother of all the other gods...

Hebrew men both in Moses’ day and Paul’s day often went to these fertility temple for ritual sex either with sodomite(male temple prostitute, arsenokoites or is ritual orgies) Ritual orgies are depicted on the ruins, some ruins are covered wall to wall inside and out with every kind of sex act. So, you see why it is easy to get upset when someone like you says love between two people is like orgies in fertility temples?

Verses 28-32 should be a cincture. God gave them over to a what? 700 million gays where are the reprobate minds? The listed evils are where? Let’s look at REAL gays today and anytime in history. We know fertility regions considered them sacred, but includes sex as a worship to gods. Many native American gays were sacred. Gays are “gate keepers” (pass on info between God and man) Please I did not make this up it is historical facts. Matriarchal societies accepted them Patriarchal societies often did not. Today employers thinks gays are their best employees. I work for a company that has around 150 people, gays are their best workers and somehow it seems the math is 10% there are gay go figure. Families in crisis gays are pillars. Health care world fall to pieces if gays walked out of it. I can give example forever about good deeds of gays. How do you get verse 28-32 to apply to gays sin or not?

Blood on my hands? Present truth to gays. If I am wrong show me how you got gays into Romans.. Gays are real people with real history and lives. The Bible is truth. You can’t tell a person is a prostitutes just because you don’t like the person. To be a prostitute you really do have to charge people to have sex with you. Hebrew men did not have sex with male temple prostitutes without paying their fee. They did not go to ritual orgies for free, they paid the temple. If you call gays sodomites you need to show that they are collecting money for their sex service (according to Paul it would have to mean today Christian men are going to gays and paying them for sex in worship to say Buddha.) If you want to condemn gays you need the Bible to be talking about real gays not gang rapists or temple prostitutes or the like. Paul’s word arsenokoites can be shown that it was used 56 times in a few centuries after Paul. We have the entire documents of those Christian writings. 56 times means no other recording of the use of that word. Greeks used it 76 time up to almost the 15th century again no hint to gays in Christian or Greek writing when used arsenokoites. BLOOD on whose hands. If you can’t produce facts about your claims I would be worried if I was you.

Yes God is love but he also has a very Holy side of who he is. He cannot stand or allowed sin in his Kingdom, you need to check your heart out and ask God to wash you with his blood and set you free!!!

Gays4jesus: Jesus paid the price for all sin. What you are saying is Jesus death does not cover all sin. And you are saying lets judge each other to check our sins. If this be so we need to obey the LAW of Moses and to atone our sins we need to slaughter animals. Every Christian sins every day till they die. Some sins we know other we don’t know and others we are conditioned to think is sin or not. Our best is as filthy rags to God. If you are Apostolic Pentecostal I ain’t interested. I am Assemblies of God Pentecostal which is very different. Holier than thou is a cult religion so sorry I can’t condone your belief if you are of this Pentecostal belief. Jesus is our friend. You have not even spent a second to check out my 36 years walking with Jesus. Remember it is a personal one on one relationship we have with Jesus. Any time day of night you want to go heads on about my walk with Jesus I am ready. I have a challenge also This is only if you want to see the move of God sense you won’t listen I have this authority from Jesus to operate in this challenge.

What is about as sick as a Christian can be is one that tells another Christian that has been a born again Christian baptized in the Holy Spirit for over 36 years that now you need to ask God to wash you in his BLOOD. This means you somehow ignored what it is to be a Christian. I am gay and I am on TV I have jumped from the frying pan into the fire of Christian hate and you feel need to tell me I need to check my heart out? What sort of things do you think an openly gay TV preacher goes through and one that has a worldwide online ministry? How do you suppose it is to have 1 million plus condemning you because they are conditioned to think gay is sin. What sort of provision do you suppose Jesus will give to cover a person with the task of facing Christian head on in false doctrines. Do you think Christians really are cool when it comes to God’s messengers? Or with someone that comes to truth such as the Earth circles the SUN? The anti-gay doctrine was created by Catholics around 700 years ago to create scandal. How fun is it to be a leader when the Church attacks you with a scandal to remove you from power. The Church can be quite evil and God has a plan for this as he did with Disobedience of Israel. Read Lev. 26 the 4th level. This is where the Church is today 4th level disobedience. You are right now hook line and sinker into false doctrines. The False anti-gay doctrine and no doubt the false pre-trib doctrine.

His Kingdom? Wonder if you know what that is? Jesus will reign 1000 years as killing on Earth. Do you want to be in that kingdom? Hopefully you will be co-reigning instead. Kingdom in hearts? Hey if that is all you want out of Jesus your loss. More to Jesus than a spirit la la land. I again am Assemblies of God most of their beliefs are on course with mine. I got lots to learn and in a flash if you got truth and can present it I can accept it. But if you wishy washy state a fantasy I ain’t interested. I am into truth not fiction, I am not 64 for nothing, I know what I know and it is not from wishing it to be. Get off you band wagon and get down to Jesus h e is truth so present truth. Quoting verses tells me you can read not that you understands what you read.

Yes I am a Pastor my own self in FL, and I do have people who look's up to me be very careful Mr. John. I tell you the truth you sir are not a true Pastor or a man of God!!!! Blessing's feel free to write me back sir.

Gays4jesus: Again, you state serious things. I given you a few things to check out. And my challenge stands. I can come and have quite a faith healing rally at your church or if you want to say gay is sin I can have my challenge. Healing God can do but that is not all God does. Stubborn disobedient people he raises nations to punish. Islam exist as a spanking rod to the Church for 2000 years of Disobedience. (Vatican invented Islam). 1260 days is set to spank the Church during which time 3.5 billion people on Earth will be killed. Huge numbers will turn their backs on God. God is about complete with his preparation of restorers that will go out to restore many of those that turn their backs on Jesus during that time. If you don’t know what I am talking about start learning, you will not be spared the Rod, but you can be a part of the restorer. Another prophecy. I don’t care how wrong your false doctrines are. I don’t even care if you really got some bad sins that should be fixed up. God is not going to select what churches will or will not participate. He will not determine which denomination either. What will happen to you is suddenly hordes of people will flood into your church and you then have to deal with the crowds. You will be swamped and soon have to adapt to a style that can serve. The LAW or PHYSICS will set in and through no genius of you your choice will be what make hordes served, saith the Lord.

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