One-God, Apostolic, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller,

One-God, Apostolic, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller, Born again, heaven bound believer

eccka1 About Me: Hey thanks for stopping by(: Okay well lets start off by saying I am a one-God, Apostolic, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller, Born again, heaven bound believer in the liberating power of Jesus' name. I've been washed in the blood, sanctified by the Spirit, I was set free at a Pentacostal alter on my knees, Pardon me if im not ashamed to be a one-God, Apostolic, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller, Born again, heaven bound believer in the liberating power of Jesus' name!

Gay Pentecostals Hello!  I have watched some of your videos and I just have a couple questions. First off I just want to say that I am Apostolic/Pentecostal and that this is not meant to insult you but I just was kind of curious about all of this.  * Romans 1:26-27(King James Version is what I'm reading from) verse 26, says God gave them up to vile affections,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*. If you read down it says they gave up the natural use of the woman and burned in there lust for one another, men with men working what is unseemly(shameful) receiving in themselves that recompense(penalty) of their error which was meet(due).  I was just wondering how in any way can someone justify being homosexual with that scripture?  p.s: The words in the parentheses is what the word means in Hebrew. It wasn't because I thought you were unintelligent.  *Not translated in Hebrew, dictionary definition.  God Bless,  -eccka1

My Response

My apologies, but “Apostolic” sets you in a class I call “holier than thou” Generally Pentecostals fit in two categories. Certainly there is a wider variety, but for sake of narrow the field there are just two main groupings. Apostolic and Assemblies of God type. Apostolic contains by my experience no matter the brand those that have a fetish about some sort of purity they think is a requirement for salvation. This sort of purity is impossible to achieve. Apostolics sin daily and are not living pure flat out. Actually no Christian is living pure. Apostolic make though this their main consideration and are extremely closed minded to other denominational wisdoms on scriptures. I speak from 26 years on weekly TV with over all over one million estimated people passing by my TV programs or my sites. I get many Apostolic Christians and so I speak from that experience. I have talked long hours with 1000s of Apostolics so please respect my background experience with Apostolics.

Assemblies of God type are I suppose is what has become mainline Pentecostal. They are the ones that got Daystar and TBN up and running. I have been with them since Jan. 1974. http://s91536390.onlinehome.us/gaysforjesus/Statement.html for my statement of faith. I can say like you that I am a “one-God, Apostolic, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller, Born again, heaven bound believer in the liberating power of Jesus' name. I've been washed in the blood, sanctified by the Spirit, I was set free at a Pentecostal alter on my knees, Pardon me if I’m not ashamed to be a one-God, Apostolic, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller, Born again, heaven bound believer in the liberating power of Jesus' name!” Notice though I scratched out Apostolic .

·
Of or relating to an apostle.

1. · Of, relating to, or contemporary with the 12 Apostles.
2. Of, relating to, or derived from the teaching or practice of the 12 Apostles.

a. · Of or relating to a succession of spiritual authority from the 12 Apostles, regarded by Anglicans, Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and some others to have been perpetuated by successive ordinations of bishops and to be requisite for valid orders and administration of sacraments.

b. Roman Catholic Church. Of or relating to the pope as the successor of Saint Peter; papal.

c. The adjective has 2 meanings:

d. Meaning #1: of or relating to or deriving from the Apostles or their teachings
  Synonym: apostolical
  Pertains to noun: Apostle (meaning #3)

e. Meaning #2: proceeding from or ordered by or subject to a pope or the papacy regarded as the successor of the Apostles
  Synonym: papal
  Pertains to noun: pope (meaning #1)

This is not hardly relating to Apostolic in the practice of the modern Apostolic churches. Apostolics have no mercy of love when they go after what they deem sinful life style. They also use no backup to explain why they use certain verses, but this is also true of all denomination Pentecostal or not. My ministry is to be non-stop emphasizing back up your mouth if you are condemning gays.

Generally Assemblies of God are very much in living right for God mode. However, they differ in that “Apostolics” are mainly ruled like near cult guru leader and by laws. Apostolics are on the razor edge of being a Jim Jones David Karesh on the one side and some are standalone individuals that proclaim they do not need a church or fellowship. While Assemblies of God sometimes are near holier than thou they are NOT rigidly demanding obedience. Assemblies of God parishioners are very independent and would not tolerate a pastors that would demand strict observance of holier than thou theology.

I can spend a long time on this topic, I bring it up here to put background into your background verses a background that is not from your personal convictions. Quakers are not going to get Unitarians to move out of the city and toss all modern conveniences. Protestants are not going to alternate this week attend a Catholic Church next a Baptist then their own denomination.

Concerning spiritual gifts and operation. I speak in tongues daily and often. If I doze off as I am passing in to sleep but yet still conscious I see an instant going into a vision while still seeing what is around me. Once asleep I wake often and almost all the time from a dramatic amazing vision. I have had 3 major physical healings where I personally ask Jesus to heal me during a especially painful part of an illness or other. These were very dramatic and lasted several minutes with abounding love of Jesus pouring on my as the healing took place. I cannot count the number of very detailed prayers that got answered in details as I ask for. Some time it is within a few minutes they are answered and they are otherwise impossible. I have asked for weird things and got answers. Once I asked that God arrange a UFO to fly over my house knowing this requires timing that I would be outside looking up at the time. Within a few days a http://youtube.com/watch?v=EWmCEUaN_IU ufo did fry over my house. I did manage to take a video (not very good but it is a fact) But I also had binoculars and was able to see it close up and we ain’t got nothing like that and what’s more it looked like it could do a lot of harm. I had a witness that also look at it through the binoculars.

Over 200 Assemblies of God pastors prophesied over me specifically calling me up front of congregations of 1000 plus. Often it was done in 2 or 3 additional prophecies other staff gave as I was up there. They were accurate and confirm God called me to minister and loved me and I him. Then all those years the people in the congregation and everywhere felt need to tell me they see God and Jesus in me and with me. I can spend days on miracles too.

The above also is intended to show you that judging someone as in sin when they have a WALK with Jesus for decades. My YouTube Videos has details about the verse you used. You said you viewed some of the videos but somehow missed the one of Romans? At least you read the KJV. I wonder if you know why you read the KJV. Do you also use modern versions? All modern visions are satan counterfeits which is backup up by reading about the ones that gave Christians modern versions, Westcott and Hort.

,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*. Now let’s look at your parents ok? How did they meet, did they date? Did they fall in love? I assume they married and later you popped out right? Now your picture make you look young if it is you so you may not be married or dating yet. I don’t want to go into Bible marriage at this time but just to say today’s married are direct from 12^th century pagan marriages dating and rituals. Marriage today is not Bible marriage and not even close. But still you as a str8 girl understands dating even in the strict Apostolic culture. Today the facts are 69% of str8 single Christians have sex on their first date. Josh McDowell’s research of TBN fame. 60% of Christians divorce. Now certainly can’t sit there and think that the other 40% are kool loving caring relationship do you? Lots of people do not divorce because they probably don’t believe in it or can’t. Bing gay does not set you apart from str8s in marriages. So we that are gay see everything in detail and are told by str8s their every sex act and life as str8 person. Str8s just seem to want to talk about their imitate life so nothing is hidden from gays. Now gays live their own lives so they know lies many Christian believe about gays. Like you your ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*. Somehow you think this means gay loving each other (like you as a str8 person somehow find yourself married and how you went from single and ended up married) means ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*.

Now your Romans attempt to say gay is sin is not a one verse you can take out of a story and use as doctrine. You actually must keep verse 26-27 in the context of 18-32

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

In short the Bible tells you WHO and WHY. Str8 adults TURNED from GOD to gods. They had to be adults and str8 because you believe later they became gay magically because God hated their acts (hmm but they weren’t gay so what act was hated?) Their acts were turning to other gods. 7 billion people today so you want me to believe every Christians that turned to other gods God made gay? Where was Paul back then? Paul was in Corinth not in Rome yet. He wrote Romans while in Corinth. I will soon be going to Corinth to shoot a TV program at the temple ruins of a temple that Paul toured. That temple had over 1000 temple prostitutes and it also had the statue to the unknown god inside. There were orgy room there also. Both Paul and Moses had a problem with Hebrew men going to fertility temple for ritual sex with their male temple prostitutes and joining ritual orgies. Bible lands is full of these temples and they were fertility. The word sodomite means “male temple prostitute” it is in 7 of the 14 verses people like you use to condemn gays.

I recently was in Rome. I actually did a program from inside St Peter’s Basilica and by many ruins of fertility temples. Many of these temples are now Catholic churches. I did a program from the ruins of the “mother of the gods” most popular in Paul’s day.

To the Phoenicians she was Astarte; to the Phrygians,Cybele; to the Babylonians, Ishtar; to the Thracians, Bendis; to the Cretans, Rhea; to the Ephesians, Artemis; to the Canaanites, Atargatis; to the Persians, Anaitis; to the Cappadocians, Ma. But though her names differ, her attributes are the same - she is always the mother who succours and helps, and who bestows fertility.

Can you imagine what orgies are like? Your ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*. There are temple still intact enough that have carving inside and out of every imaginable sex acts twisted together with lots of people. I was recently in Pompeii where I shot a few programs. That city almost was one big sex vacation retreat with brothels everywhere. What you are telling me is that my relationship with my lover (we are finishing our 22^nd year together) is acts like these orgies? How can you being str8 discern rape and hookers is not the same as dating and falling in love then marrying? One str8 co-worker told me once all that was needed was a brown paper sack over the head of any woman and sex would be just go for it. Yet you do not say str8 is sin because you can discern love from ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*. Why can’t you apply what you do with str8 to gays?

5446 phusikos (foo-see-kos'); from 5449; physical", i.e. (by implication) instinctive: KJV-- natural. Compare 5591. 5449 phusis (foo'-sis); from 5453; growth (by germination or expansion), i.e. (by implication) natural production (lineal descent); by extension, a genus or sort; figuratively, native disposition, constitution or usuage: KJV-- ([man-]) kind, nature ([-al]).

Let’s look at nature/natural. Short definition is seed and instinct. This means as Paul’s times use of nature (today nature is not the same as we apply science rendering the word different than how it was used in Paul’s day) A seed can only grow into that which it was designed. Apple tree cannot grow into an orange tree. Applied to humans a str8 man will turn out str8 not gay. This has a built in guarantee called instinct. This means when a boy get that age his body is going to begin to demand loving a girl. Listening to boys when I grew up and they hit dating age their talk was dramatic. Do I need to detail this so you can understand? Gays usually has no clue what it all means for they feel nothing about the opposite sex other than pressure from society and horny peers. Str8 did not need the pressure as their bodies demanded if possible just grab whatever girl walks by. Maybe a bit dramatic here but the point is str8s don’t choose or learn to be str8 they just have lots of support and of course to get what they want they have to abide by dating rules. Gays on the other hand go through a mystery because they don’t get what their peers are going through. In the past nothing to compare to so it may take time to figure out what they are feeling. How can one know they are gay? All you got is the same attractions working but towards the same sex, but you just don’t know because nothing to relate to (today lots of support for gay youth and so most already know about gays and can relate their feelings) but because of instinct born gays no matter what society teaches or pressures at that age they will begin to know they are not the same as their peers. I was pretty sure in Junior high about myself, but it took years in those days before hints that other gays existed. Now of course there are other gays 700 million of them.

Try as you might you will be hard pressed to find ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*. The offense is because you are conditioned to hate gays and think it is vile. (700 years ago a few powerful Catholic invented the antigay doctrine to create scandals to purge people from power).

Now we get to a very very horrible sentence a human could ever speak.

You said: I was just wondering how in any way can someone justify being homosexual with that scripture?

This really is bad. It means you have resigned yourself to condemn without giving any hope and that you closed the books to understanding the verse you used. Truth becomes a lie to you. Your understanding is based on your own frailty about your own sexual orientation. You think love is designed for you and not me. You have redefined love to mean ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)* You see the word gay and you redefine love. If you read verse 28-32 you are telling 700 million gays they are this sort of wicked person. It seems so easy for someone like you to with no conscious say all 700 million gays behave: 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

When each one of these attribute are so completely not gay behaviors. Gays are so opposite these behaviors in real life. But you so easily imagine all gays are this sort of evil. It has been shown if gays were to be fired from the health system that it would collapse. Gays are pillars in family crisis. They are “gatekeepers” in many religions including Christians. Look up this “gatekeeper” term. The list of good deeds is long. Compared to str8s concerning as it were the wild life bars bath houses gang bangs drugs on and on str8 far are more worst. So where do you get: 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; This would mean gays were str8 to begin with and reached adulthood knowing God, then turned from him to gods. So you say God made those str8 gay and let them join ritual orgies so God went further and gave them a reprobate mind so that their public behavior being listed in 29-32 would show them out to all. I beg you tell me where the gays are that are behaving this way.

I be happy to go into detail about any questions you have. I also will be greatly pleased if you actually can back up your mouth about gays. I expect only from you that you will wash your hand of me your way of avoiding presenting how you get gays into a verse or a Bible word. But hey maybe you will take the time to give some meat as to what makes you say ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)* means gays.