Friday, April 4, 2008 Chat on 04-04-08

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gays4jesus: but as usual you like all people that believe gay is sin will refuse any sort of explaining how you got gays into a Bible word

diane24usa: since when are sodomites innocent. Read sodom and ghmorrah.

6945 qadesh (kaw-dashe'); from 6942; a (quasi) sacred person, i.e. (technically) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry: KJV-- sodomite, unclean.
Sodomites are not innocent and Sodom and Gomorrah is a story with details that describe acts that cannot be confused.

Gen 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: (KJV)

Old and young and all the people is descriptive of age and numbers of people.

Gen 19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. (KJV)

wickedly = 7489 ra` a` (raw-ah'); a primitive root; properly, to spoil (literally, by breaking to pieces); figuratively, to make (or be) good for nothing, i.e. bad (physically, socially or morally): KJV-- afflict, associate selves [by mistake for 7462],
break (down, in pieces), + displease, (be, bring, do) evil (doer, entreat, man), showself friendly [by mistake for 7462], do harm, (do) hurt, (behaveself, deal) ill, X indeed, do mischief, punish, still, vex, (do) wicked (doer, -ly), be (deal, do) worse.

Lot’s “doing wickedly” is descriptive of detailed behavior that was planned.

diane24usa: it's an obomination to God .and it says u will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. you know that. God bless

This is what I know:

the Hebrew for abomination means acts done worshipping other gods that is why God hates it so... 8441 tow` ebah (to-ay-baw'); or to` ebah (to-ay-baw'); feminine active participle of 8581; properly, something disgusting (morally), i.e. (as noun) an abhorrence; especially idolatry or (concretely) an idol: KJV-- abominable (custom, thing), abomination.

The Bible is a big book and in it, both in the New and Old Testaments have many form of this word abomination that English has just one word. The entire Bible and all its uses of this word it all its form always means that the thing disgusted is acts to other gods that evokes the “Exod 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; (KJV)” You cannot use Bible words and interpret them to any possible modern meaning you wish it to mean. You must adhere to the meaning in the Bible.

The Bible does have a Hebrew word that does mean simply disgusted thing:

8262 shaqats (shaw-kats'); a primitive root; to be filthy, i.e. (intensively) to loathe, pollute: KJV-- abhor, make abominable, have in abomination, detest, X utterly.

Lev 11:11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. (KJV)

The 1st abomination above is acts to other gods, the 2nd abomination above is disgusted thing. Bible is wonderful you cannot guess meanings because ancient Hebrew is a language thatis accessibly eaily and there is no excuse to not use the meanings of those days. God did not give us a Bible TODAY he gave it to us around 300 AD:

95 A.D. the last book was finished. Over time spurious documents surfaced. Finally a church council was called to close the canon in 325 A.D. The same 66 books in use in 95 A.D. were the ones confirmed at the council of Nicea in 325.

Therefore, you must use 95 AD definitions when claiming a Bible word means something.

diane24usa: it's an obomination to God .and it says u will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. you know that. God bless

gays4jesus: so you think 733 arsenokoites (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace) means gays? Even though this word has been documented to have been used only 76 times in 1600 years since PAUL wrote it. And at no time has a hint to gays been in any documented usages in that 1600 years, the main use of this word has been to mention sex out of species

gays4jesus: it would be very nice how you get a Greek work that means the same as the Hebrew word 6945 qadesh (kaw-dashe'); which means male temple prostitute. One source explains:

The word arsenokoites is only used 76 times in Greek literature from AD 58 when Paul first used it, to about AD 1450. Never in any of those usages does arsenokoites refer to males of equal status in a committed, faithful, non-cultic partnership. Also: Arsenokoites Occurs Only 76 Times In Extant Greek Manuscripts In The First 2100 Years Of Greek History - About Once Every 28 Years.
So if you are so sure arsenokoites means gays then can you present where you are finding that information that shows arsenokoites means homosexual?
733 arsenokoites (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace); from 730 and 2845; a sodomite: KJV-- abuser of (that defileself) with mankind.
1 Tim 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; (KJV)
3120 malakos (mal-ak-os'); of uncertain affinity; soft, i.e. fine (clothing); figuratively, a catamite: KJV-- effeminate, soft.
Paul actually toured a fertility temple:


According to Nelson's Bible Dictionary Corinth was ancient Greece's most important trade city. At Corinth the apostle Paul established a flourishing church made up of a cross section of the worldly minded people who had flocked to Corinth to participate in gambling, legalized temple prostitution, business adventures, and amusements available in this first century navy town. The city soon became a melting pot for the approximately 500,000 people who lived there at the time of Paul's arrival.

Near the city's market place were the butcher stalls or meat markets that Paul mentioned in 1 Corinthians 10:25. The meat was often dedicated to pagan idols before being sold. This presented a culturo-religious problem for the Christians in Corinth. Rising 1,500 feet above the city and to the south of the acropolis was a fortified hill upon which loomed the infamous Temple of Aphrodite or Venus. This pagan temple and its 1,000 temple prostitutes greatly influenced the city's culture and morals.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (KJV)

The phrase we want to look at is: nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind. According to Strong's the Greek word translated as effeminate is #3120, malakos (mal-ak-os'); of uncertain affinity; soft, i.e. fine (clothing); figuratively, a catamite. A catamite, according to Webster's is a kept boy. In these days it was very common for young males to prostitute themselves to older, wealthy men in exchange for money, education or a place to live. These were not intended to be love relationships. Many of these men were married to women. These boys were simply kept for sexual purposes as live-in prostitutes. As I stated in the Gay Lifestyle section of this article, I do not defend this type of activity. Unfortunately, today, there is a group of young, male prostitutes that has come about because their parents kicked them out of the house for being gay. These are two different things. Young male prostitutes do not equal homosexuals and homosexuals do not equal young male prostitutes. Prostitution has nothing to do with homosexuality.

The next part of the phrase in question is translated as abusers of themselves with mankind. According to Strong's Dictionary there is only one word that is translated as abusers of themselves with mankind. # 733 arsenokoites (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace); from 730 and 2845; a sodomite: The word sodomite means male temple prostitute. This word has a Hebrew (or Old Testament) counterpart. In the Strong's dictionary the Hebrew word is #6945 qadesh (kaw-dashe'); a (quasi) sacred person, i.e. (technically) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry. Although the definition is clear, some versions of the Bible translate this as homosexual while other versions correctly translate it to male temple or shrine prostitute.

Above is just some quick information that is easily found when you search for what the verse is talking about. The versions of Bibles that renders the word homosexual are 100% in the class of modern versions, which has specific roots in Westcott and Hort, so a study of Westcott and Hort becomes necessary in searching what are the real actual words in a verse. You will find all modern versions come from the Church of England’s official Bible from the 1880s.

diane24usa: they wil save your soul

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (KJV)
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (KJV)
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (KJV)

God be merciful to me a sinner! I believe Christ died on the Cross for me, that God rose him on the 3rd day, and that His Precious Blood will cleanse me from all my sins. Forgive me of my sins and come into my heart as my Lord and my Savior. Help me Lord to do thy will each day. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (KJV)

My Personal Statement of Faith:

1. WE BELIEVE...The Scriptures are Inspired by God and declare His design and plan for mankind.

2. WE BELIEVE...There is only One True God–revealed in three persons...Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (commonly known as the Trinity).

3. WE BELIEVE...In the Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ. As God's son Jesus was both human and divine.

4. WE BELIEVE...though originally good, Man Willingly Fell to Sin–ushering evil and death, both physical and spiritual, into the world.

5. WE BELIEVE...Every Person Can Have Restored Fellowship with God Through 'Salvation' (accepting Christ's offer of forgiveness for sin).

6. WE BELIEVE...and practice two ordinances—(1) Water Baptism by Immersion after repenting of one's sins and receiving Christ's gift of salvation, and (2) Holy Communion (the Lord's Supper) as a symbolic remembrance of Christ's suffering and death for our salvation.

7. WE BELIEVE...the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is a Special Experience Following Salvation that empowers believers for witnessing and effective service, just as it did in New Testament times.

8. WE BELIEVE... The Initial Physical Evidence of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is ‘Speaking in Tongues,’ as experienced on the Day of Pentecost and referenced throughout Acts and the Epistles.

9. WE BELIEVE...Sanctification Initially Occurs at Salvation and is not only a declaration that a believer is holy, but also a progressive lifelong process of separating from evil as believers continually draw closer to God and become more Christlike.

10. WE BELIEVE...The Church has a Mission to seek and save all who are lost in sin. We believe 'the Church' is the Body of Christ and consists of the people who, throughout time, have accepted God's offer of redemption (regardless of religious denomination) through the sacrificial death of His son Jesus Christ.

11. WE BELIEVE...A Divinely Called and Scripturally Ordained Leadership Ministry Serves the Church. The Bible teaches that each of us under leadership must commit ourselves to reach others for Christ, to worship Him with other believers, and to build up or edify the body of believers–the Church.

12. WE BELIEVE...Divine Healing of the Sick is a Privilege for Christians Today and is provided for in Christ's atonement (His sacrificial death on the cross for our sins).

13. WE The Blessed Hope—When Jesus Raptures His Church Prior to His Return to Earth (the second coming). At this future moment in time all believers who have died will rise from their graves and will meet the Lord in the air, and Christians who are alive will be caught up with them, to be with the Lord forever.

14. WE The Millennial Reign of Christ when Jesus returns with His saints at His second coming and begins His benevolent rule over earth for 1,000 years. This millennial reign will bring the salvation of national Israel and the establishment of universal peace.

15. WE BELIEVE...A Final Judgment Will Take Place for those who have rejected Christ. They will be judged for their sin and consigned to eternal punishment in a punishing lake of fire.

16. WE BELIEVE...and look forward to the perfect New Heavens and a New Earth that Christ is preparing for all people, of all time, who have accepted Him. We will live and dwell with Him there forever following His millennial reign on Earth. 'And so shall we forever be with the Lord

I was chief atheist for 27 yrs, I am 61, gay, & Pentecostal in Assemblies of God and have been since January 1974 with my lover since 1989 & Preaching weekly on TV since March 1986, over 200 pastors prophesied over me good things from God that have come to pass, I had 3 major dramatic physical healings and have 1000s of answered prayers, and over 700,000 homophobes have came to me in a few year period of time. I counseled with 1000s of str8 Christians who saw my screen name and wanted my counseling to better their Life with Christ including parents upbringing their kids in Christ Jesus. No country exist that at least one person has watched my TV program. I am blessed in my secular job and always promoted quickly. I often have been raised to leadership rolls in areas I never desired or sought but knew God would raise me for a witness. I can speak on my walk with Jesus non-stop for days on in of the things he is doing and has done in my life. These sort of things people like you fail to recognize let alone explain in Christian gays’ lives. We have testimony you refuse to hear.


diane24usa: they will teach u how

Your link is a Catholic ex-gay group. My past includes intensive research into ex-gays and ex-gay leaders and ex-gay groups. I talk a lot about these on my website, but in short, there are no such things as ex-gays. Leaders always fit into a pattern that does not meet minimums as examples of real ordinary gays. Decades of follow-up studies show all ex-gays fail to maintain as celebrate or a str8 life. Those the marry heterosexually produce spouses testimonies that shows the trouble trying to maintain a str8 life style. I do not want here to go into deep detail about ex-gays, but to just point out that all ex-gay ministries use the 12th century Catholic anti-gay doctrine invented to create scandal to remove certain leaders from powerful positions that are not aligned with the same ideals. 100 years later the Protestants adopted this false doctrine and when it came to the USA it developed into a heinous doctrine to quote one source.

diane24usa: sodomy is mentioned many times in the bible,,and it is always a very evil sin

Where is sodomy mentioned in the Bible? Most researchers put the word sodomy itself as coined right and or just before 1000 AD. Sodomite is mentioned 5 times in the OT:

sodomite.. (KJV)

Deut 23:17There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. (KJV)

IKing 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel. (KJV)

IKing 15:12 And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made. (KJV)

IKing 22:46 And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land. (KJV)

II Ki 23:7 And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove. (KJV)

Two times in the NT:

1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, (KJV)

1 Tim 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; (KJV)

Gen 19:5-8

Lev 18:22

Lev 20:13

Deut 23:17 sodomite

Judg 19:22

IKing 14:24 sodomites

IKing 15:12 sodomites

IKing 22:46 sodomites

II Ki 23:7 sodomites

Rom 1:24

Rom 1:26-27

1 Cor 6:9 sodomites

1 Tim 1:9-10 sodomites

Above is every instant in the entire Bible about any sort of male to male sex. Two other verses that do not mention male-to-male sex are part of the 700-year-old false doctrine about gays. Gen 22:2 and Jude 1:7

Again, how do you get gays into the Bible?

diane24usa: dont die in that grave evil is against God and nature. Your bodies dont even match..........

650 million gays today, this means 650 million or so has already lived and died since 6000 years ago. Still you refuse to explain how you got gays to be evil sins when real life gays are opposite.

diane24usa: sodomites are those who commit sodomy

Sodomite are explained above, they can’t mean gays because that is not the Bible word.

diane24usa: I hope you take this to heart because i want u to be saved. This is a v grave sin.

Scroll up to see my confession of faith.

diane24usa: go in the catholic room and ask them,, christ ONLY founded that 1054 teh eastern churches left the pope. Before this there were no other christian chruches except the catholic.

Sorry but popping your bubble I am an expert on many things Catholic concerning the past and present. Vaticaqn is about as evil as humans can get and are pretty much in control of the coming new world order and anti-christ’s kingdom. I can go into tons concerning what I personally believe about the Vatican. There really is not much to support it being even close to God, however, in spite of the Vatican evil, part of satan’s plan has side effects because the Gospel does get through and a lot of Catholics are indeed saved.

12 Apostles 12 denomination from the get go. Almost right away people began to follow an Apostle usually whatever one went to their area of the world. So denominations has to be of God no matter how wrong many of their doctrines can be. I never say anything lightly so this means intense study and research convinces me from the beginning it was might to be Christians have a wide area of difference all the while remaining in the foundation of Jesus Christ. They all got the as it were same Bible disregarding my strong feeling against modern versions knowing they are satan counterfeits. It is the big picture my ministry is interested in and putting the pieces together. Because you are so deeply committed to the Vatican, it is not surprising you believe it is the CHURCH. There are many denominations that believe they are the only one that will be Saved.

diane24usa: it's the act of sodomy that is sinful..

Sodomy origins is to control people’s style of sex namely anything out of the missionary position issin.

diane24usa: if u stay celebate u can become a saint .

1 Tim 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (KJV)

1 Cor 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. (KJV)

You ask a human to abstain. Even being married if one does not have sex with their spouse God says the risk of temptation is great and the Church is so full of ministers being tempted sexually. Catholics are paying the price for their doctrines of celibacy in the tune of many hundred of millions of Christian faith given dollars given to be used to ministers God to the masses but instead is lawsuit payoffs. So you with complete ease ask 650 million gays to abstain from sex. Real life gays do what real life str8 do, they want to meet someone to love so they date, they fall in love then they marry. Because you are stuck on the Bar scene I am supposing or some other form of visible apparent sexual immorality you assume the is the typical gay. Beyond any kind of comparison, str8s will always, far exceed any close comparison to sexual immorality that gays. On top of this, people like you force so many gays to live what seems like immorality because of the extreme fear of people like you condemning them and worse.

diane24usa: u aer cursed if u commit sodomy also you will go to hell if u die in one of those sins

So you have no sins? Every human sins every day, so as you judge another that is exactly how you will be judged. Your sins are forgiven, you did not stop sinning. God sees Jesus when he hears accusation from satan about your real sins, so God cannot see your sins instead he sees Jesus purity. Sodomy is explained above.

diane24usa: 10 commandments...

Exod 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: (KJV)

Exod 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. (KJV)

How do you define Sabbath? Do you change it to bew evolved into a new program or did you delete it?

diane24usa: 'if u dont live by the law you will die by the law'

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (KJV)

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (KJV)

Are you the keeper of the whole LAW?

diane24usa: yea male prostitutes were in PAGAN temples


½ of all the verses used against gays talks specifically about male temple prostitutes. When Paul walked out of his rented home in Rome he saw on every street corner pagan fertility temples that had male temple prostitutes:

Cybele, on this ancient Roman coin, is called Mater Deum, "Mother of the gods."

By the first century AD, when Paul wrote Romans, the Cybele cult was one of the most powerful in the Roman Empire.

Fertility goddess Names In The Ancient Near East

“The religions which developed these ideas were all based on a maternal figure, found under different names throughout a great part of the Near East.

To the Phoenicians she was Astarte; to the Phrygians, Cybele; to the Babylonians, Ishtar; to the Thracians, Bendis; to the Cretans, Rhea; to the Ephesians, Artemis; to the Canaanites, Atargatis; to the Persians, Anaitis; to the Cappadocians, Ma. But though her names differ, her attributes are the same - she is always the mother who succours and helps, and who bestows fertility.

So when the Bible talks about male temple prostitutes it does not refer to ordinary gays at all. Tell me why you insist to call all gays in the world male temple prostitutes, but you will not call all str8 women prostitutes why some are?

diane24usa: 'woe to those who say evil is good"

It is so disgusting when people can actually infer someone is calling evil good just because they are gay in which there is no requirement to show the Bible says this. I have had about 800,000 homophobes tell be the Bible says gay is sin just like you are and not one of those people from the most highly educated to the least they all never explain how they make “male temple prostitute” mean gay.

diane24usa: what about fornication?

2181 zanah (zaw-naw'); a primitive root [highly-fed and therefore wanton]; to commit adultery (usually of the female, and less often of simple fornication, rarely of involuntary ravishment); figuratively, to commit idolatry (the Jewish people being regarded as the spouse of Jehovah): KJV-- (cause to) commit fornication, X continually, X great, (be an, play the) harlot, (cause to be, play the) whore, (commit, fall to) whoredom, (cause to) go a-whoring, whorish.


[for nih KAY shun]-- sexual relationships outside the bonds of marriage. The technical distinction between fornication and ADULTERY is that adultery involves married persons while fornication involves those who are unmarried. But the New Testament often uses the term in a general sense for any unchastity. Of the seven lists of sins found in the writings of the apostle Paul, the word fornication is found in five of them and is first on the list each time <1 Cor. 5:11; Col. 3:5>. In the Book of Revelation, fornication is symbolic of how idolatry and pagan religion defiles true worship of God <Rev. 14:8; 17:4>.

(from Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary)

(Copyright (C) 1986, Thomas Nelson Publishers)

So we get confusion in this word fornication because sources differ some say sex out of marriage some say its committing adultery. However, I am sure you and I agree fornication is sex out of marriage at least when it comes to the argument gays can only commit fornication because they cannot marry.

Well at least TODAY this is becoming a wash out for homophobes because states are making it legal for marriage like conditions for gays, one it is marriage some countries it is marriage. In the USA a major factor is occurring with the one state that has marriage and the several states that have civil union like laws. It is now understood it is very difficult to manage civil unions for every kind of reason (usually for taxes). Marriages gay or str8 are an automatic ease to manage, as the system already is computer to work for this. While civil unions it now become legally required in some states produces a mass head ache of paper work. This will force states to allow marriage in its entirety as there is no going back to unrecognized unions. Also:

Matt 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. (KJV)

I have been with my lover for 19 years, you cannot say our lives are different than str8 marriages. Remember gays have the advantage on this topic. Gays are surrounded with str8 marriages and dating and had parents so they know all about everything in a str8 marriage good or bad. Gays also meet, date, and marry. You may hate it to be called marriage , that is your problem. Love is not a monopoly for str8s. Most gays disappear into marriages as they find the right person to spend their lives with. Divorce is 60% for str8s 9this number does not go done because the people are Christian).

69% of str8 single Christians have been thoroughly researched as to the sexual behaviors in dating. Fornication is a human trait not an orientation trait. Promiscuity is dominated by str8s, and gays cannot be said to be so sexually evil because the common homophobic thinking is gays sleep around. Str8s are the kings and queens of sleeping around.

4202 porneia (por-ni'-ah); from 4203; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry: KJV-- fornication.

To arrive at anything related to gays is:

4205 pornos (por'-nos); from pernemi (to sell; akin to the base of 4097); a (male) prostitute (as venal), i.e. (by analogy) a debauchee (libertine): KJV-- fornicator, whoremonger.

In Paul’s day gay prostitutes were nearly unknown (except those engaged in ritual sex in fertility temples).Common enough to be found were str8 male prostitutes we call them gigolos today. Today we can find plenty of gay prostitutes, but that did not start much until the anti-gay doctrine was invented by Catholics some 700 years ago.

A note, marriage as we know it today came from fertility pagan marriage rituals, including our idea that we select the person we marry by the dating process. When we go to a wedding, every act we see has roots in fertility gods from the 12th century. So many pagans got saved at that time they brought these customs over to Christianity.

diane24usa: it's in there many times...

Fornication is not another term for gays.

diane24usa: 'homosexual perverts...shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven'

Would it surprise you that the holder of the Copyright of the New International Version Bible also holds the copyright for Hustler magazine - pornography? Rupert Murdock, called "Media's prince of Darkness" by Chicago columnist Mike Royco, owns the copyright & exclusive printing rights on the most sold newer Bible version in the world, the NIV (through Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids Michigan, which he owns). Murdoch also owns the copyright on another corrupt Bible version, the Amplified Version.


Westcott and Hort were Anglican priests and closet Catholics who lived in England in the 19th century (1800s).  It was the same time in which there was a movement within the Anglican clergy to reunite with the Pope—led notably by Cardinal Newman—an Anglican priest turned Roman Catholic prelate.

The beliefs and agenda of Westcott and Hort can be gleaned by reading their personal correspondence preserved in their biographies.  While they were deciding what does and does not belong in their revision of the Greek New Testament, they were involved in:

* Worship of the Virgin (Mariolatry).

* Necromancy (spiritualism – calling up the dead in séances).

* Speaking with ghosts (devils).

The Bible forbids all three activities.  Worship of the Virgin violates both the First and Second of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20).  Necromancy, witchcraft, and consulting with familiar spirits is forbidden in Deuteronomy 18:10-12.


In 1845, as a Cambridge undergraduate, Westcott organized the Hermes Club.  Hermes is the Greek god of magic, the Lord of death, cunning and trickery.  According to Greek mythology, Hermes was a gifted speaker and scribe.

Westcott’s friend, Madame Blavatsky, a key founder of the New Age Movement, wrote, “Satan and Hermes are all one,” in her book, THE SECRET DOCTRINE.  She didn’t even pretend to be a Christian—she was a Luciferian.

In the 1850s Westcott, Hort and Benson (a future Archbishop of Canterbury) founded the “Ghost Club” (also known as the Ghostly Guild).  It promoted “channeling” by which spirits speak through a medium.

New Age Bible Versions takes the reader behind the scenes to expose the corrupted Greek manuscripts, critical editions, lexicons and dictionaries behind new versions such as the NIV, NASV, NKJV, NRSV, NAB, REB, RSV, CEV, TEV, GNB, LIVING, PHILLIPS, NEW JERUSALEM, & NEW CENTURY. New Age Bible Versions goes on to reveal their occult origins and contents.

Just trying to point out that YOUR RSV version is from the corrupt manuscripts of Westcott and Hort. That you should pursue researching the version you are using. Homosexual perverts is not in the Bible, the actual word in the Bible is sodomite as shown above.

diane24usa: sodom and ghmorrah..........sodomy comes from the wd Sodom

Sodomy comes from Catholics around 1000 AD. Making a statement that it comes from the ancient Bible described city “Sodom” does not make it Bible origin. 1000AD Catholics were on a rampage of controlling its masses and deciding how they should live. Some 300 years later, they would have invented the anti-gay doctrine to create scandals. The anti-gay doctrine uses 7 verses that use the word sodomite. This doctrine states gay is sin by using the Bible word sodomite (male temple prostitute). The actual city of Sodom never at any time in the entire Bible any citizen of Sodom was ever called a sodomite. Every use of this word was directly talking about a fertility temple prostitute.

Ezek 16:49-50 49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. 50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. (KJV)

Best description elsewhere in the Bible about Sodom says it was a generally bad city. Sodom is a no brainer sexually immoral city:

Book of Jasher, Chapter 19

1 And the cities of Sodom had four judges to four cities, and these were their names, Serak in the city of Sodom, Sharkad in Gomorrah, Zabnac in Admah, and Menon in Zeboyim.

2 And Eliezer Abraham's servant applied to them different names, and he converted Serak to Shakra, Sharkad to Shakrura, Zebnac to Kezobim, and Menon to Matzlodin.

3 And by desire of their four judges the people of Sodom and Gomorrah had beds erected in the streets of the cities, and if a man came to these places they laid hold of him and brought him to one of their beds, and by force made him to lie in them.

4 And as he lay down, three men would stand at his head and three at his feet, and measure him by the length of the bed, and if the man was less than the bed these six men would stretch him at each end, and when he cried out to them they would not answer him.

5 And if he was longer than the bed they would draw together the two sides of the bed at each end, until the man had reached the gates of death.

6 And if he continued to cry out to them, they would answer him, saying, Thus shall it be done to a man that cometh into our land.

7 And when men heard all these things that the people of the cities of Sodom did, they refrained from coming there.

Above is from a book that was strongly considered for inclusion in the Bible, but chapter by chapter it resembled Genesis. Genesis was a little less graphic and more poetic and so Jasher did not really have that much a chance. However, it was widely read in those days. Point here is the more you search about Sodom you can learn things. Books that were considered for the Bible should have some creditability and at least give you an impression better suited to understand the people of Sodom. Sodom had a very long history as did the fertility temple prostitutes. Because a thousand years after the manuscripts were written, people evolved words. To name sexual immorality after a sexual immoral city is a no brainer. But to paste this name on to decent folk that are not even closely behaving sexually as the actual city or the actual people of the actual city behaved is just a flat out lie and a disgrace. To say you love true, but to so flagrantly adopt lies as your belief is not easy to understand. I just cannot understand at all why it is so hard for one who says gay is sin to say how they get gays into a word or phrase or verse. However, I know when and if you read this or that anyone reading this on my blog that thinks gay is sin that you just will not explain how you get gays into a word in the bible.

Also I am nearly 100% sure you will not take even a second to check out anything I have said or give what I say a thought. You just love your hatred of gays so much you believe God hates them and you cannot bring yourself to research the issue to see if you are right or wrong. I only had homophobic reading material in the early 1970s and yet even in the most homophobic Christian books in Christian book store, it was obvious lie after lie about gays were used as their proof gay is sin, but never at any time how they get gays into a Bible word. Still proof gay is not sin was even clear in their books. When you are gay and read, what a str8 person says about gays it is not very difficult to know what is a lie and what is not. Gays are gay from birth and they know how they are living and what they are doing and they are not doing what homophobes depict.

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