Thursday, May 13, 2010

Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?

Gays4jesus: OK Mr. homophobe let’s get you to think about what you said:

From: Patrick Hannon [mailto:pchannon@eircom.net]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 1:50 PM
To: stablesministries@gays4jesus.com
Subject: Contact The Stables Ministries for any reason

I been gay is ok with God. why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorah.

Gays4jesus: and why don’t you put that verse up and explain it?

Gen 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: (KJV)

Let’s see what it says hmmmm both old and young? What does old and young mean to you? Now let’s look at the Hebrew for people:

OT:5971

OT:5971 <u^ ‎`am (am); from OT:6004; a people (as a congregated unit); specifically, a tribe (as those of Israel); hence (collectively) troops or attendants; figuratively, a flock:
KJV - folk, men, nation, people.

Apparently, sounds like women too. . . You ask me why?

Ezek 16:49-50 49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. 50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. (KJV)

You of course love talking about sex so yes every boy every grandpa and every human from those 2 cities came to rape to death those 2 angels. So tell me where my lover Stef and I (John) married now since 1990 fit into Gen. 19:4? We have never joined any rape mob so what are you comparing. I know you see only the men not the people so you think all the men raping men angels means gay is sin. Funny though the Bible talks about so many str8 gang rapes beside of the str8 orgies and ritual orgies I wonder how come you don’t say str8 is sin? Also note: very soon after those cities were destroyed Lot’s daughters got him drunk and raped him, why don’t you always condemn that when you condemn the gang rape?

And why did Paul say in Romans 1

Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Gays4jesus:Well I got to hand it to you at least you pasted the entire story in Romans, so many will only use 26-27. And actually the story start in verse 18 where str8 adults turned from GOD to gods.

Rom 1:18-23

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. KJV

Gays4jesus: You start at where after these adults had already turned from GOD to gods. This is where GOD did something. He allow, let, gave over, put into to do, in other words where they had not done it before now they have the gumption to do it. DO what? It can’t be gay because gays were always gay (soon to be 700 million gays worldwide easy to know this fact) Because if it were gay then at first they had to be str8. But testimonies of 700 million beg to differ.

5446 phusikos (foo-see-kos'); from 5449; physical", i.e. (by implication) instinctive: KJV-- natural. Compare 5591. 5449 phusis (foo'-sis); from 5453; growth (by germination or expansion), i.e. (by implication) natural production (lineal descent); by extension, a genus or sort; figuratively, native disposition, constitution or usuage: KJV-- ([man-]) kind, nature ([-al]).

Here we can see nature and natural means seed and instinct. This means in Paul’s day that to change you had to 1st love doing the first condition i.e. str8 sex. This again is not gay behaviors. Now we actually have the historical record beside other verses. They really were fertility temple and Christians and Hebrew (God’s people) really did go to fertility temple and actually had ritual orgies and sex with real sodomites (male temple prostitutes). This also was the case in Moses’ day. This was against nature and instincts and was certainly vile, and it certainly would result in verse 28-32 which by the way again is something you can compare. Real gays throughout the world behave about as opposite as you can get from verse 28-32. This is not a guess or a wish but documented fact.

I bet you will not in any way back up why you think both your references is talking about real gays.

Do you think God is going to wink his eye at you because you chose to live in sin.

Gays4jesus: This is so stupid, it amazes me how so many homophobes can use this as some idea that God is not with gays. Getting towards 700 million gays. Lots are Christian. I have been a Pentecostal Assemblies of God Christian since 1974 and I have been preaching on TV since 1985. Don’t you know when someone accepts Jesus they begin a walk with him? This means they can give testimony of each day of their lives walking with Jesus. Do you really think you can tell a gay Christian they are not having a relationship with him? You really have a lot of explaining away the 1000s of answered prayers and miracles they have. Come on now I am a openly Gay Pentecostal Assemblies of God weekly TV preacher for decades, tell me I have not had miracles and answered prayers. I jumped out of the frying pan into the fire of homophobes and have been dealing with them openly for 26 years. You are about a mild as they get, but I bet if you took a little more time your true colors would come out and your full brown homophobia will manifest as so many homophobes before you. 14 verses are generally used against gays 7 use the word sodomite most of those aren’t used often, the word means male temple prostitute, Paul’s word for it arsenokoites in the following 1,600 years Christians used it 76 time in their writings which is readily available for you to read in its full context anytime you want. Never a hint not even a vague hint to meaning gays. Yet it is the most popular way to condemn gays today. Romans is about ritual orgies, I went to Rome even did a TV program inside the Vatican, in Rome still are many fertility temple ruins. They all had male temple prostitutes, where did Paul see gays? He certain saw temple prostitutes in Corinth in one temple he actually spoke in had over 1000 temple prostitutes. You need to back up your accusation that the Bible condemns gays. You can’t because it does not.

And you have not the correct gospel in your web site. you trusting a man made gospel.

Gays4jesus: I use the KJV it is the correct version called the RECEIVED TEXT translated to Latin Vulgate in the 2nd century. In the 1880s Westcott and Hort translated the corrupt version in to Greek then back to English. The Vatican made this corrupt version their official Bible in the 15th century when they found it. Originally also translated to Latin Vulgate in the 2nd century then lost. The RECEIVED TEXT was continually used up to a gay King’s day his name was King James. For a long time he was known to be a transvestite, but since the 1990s it is known he was gay. Go figure the only true Bible KJV was authorized by a gay king. Westcott and Hort got their entire Bible to be the official Church of England’s Bible where all modern versions comes from having 50,000 to 80,000 corruptions depending on the version designed to take Christ out of Jesus. This would only be useful in the Last Days after Israel became a nation so the other great deceptions will work with the corrupt modern versions making that man over there seem like Jesus after all. My statement of faith http://s91536390.onlinehome.us/gaysforjesus/Statement.html . My website is founded in this statement and generally exactly the same as the Assemblies of God. Mostly I agree with the Assemblies, they are like you conditioned by a 700 year old false doctrine against gays invented by a few powerful Catholic leader to create scandal to purge those that did not have the same ideal as they did. Since you won’t do your homework all you have is your conditioning. Since birth you heard the Bible condemns gays, finally you saw some of the 14 verses and to you they seem to back up your condition. Blindness to your bondage in this false doctrine makes you believe gang rape and temple prostitutes is like saying frankly gay is sin. My words are unlikely to change you, but at least I have given you some backup up to my statements, all you did was wish onto me a couple Bible references to gang rape and ritual orgies to other gods calling proof gay is sin. That is not how you witness to a gay person. To witness you need to backup what you quote and interpret. There is so much information I have not even begun to present the evidences and proofs of what I say. But one thing is clear you give nothing at all on what you say. What you say is 100% assuming gay is sin and your idea is you don’t need to do anything accept state it is sin.

Please backup up your belief there is tons of facts so give them to me if you can find any that backs up your wishes and guesses.

John