Wednesday, December 16, 2009

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (KJV)


Between You and Tammy Perez


Tammy Perez December 14 at 10:10pm Report

The bible says .........
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (KJV)
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
gays4jesus: “nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind” in GREEK is “arsenokoites” and “catamite” with these 2 GREEK words you can tract down meaning.

733 arsenokoites (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace); from 730 and 2845; a sodomite: KJV-- abuser of (that defileself) with mankind.

3120 malakos (mal-ak-os'); of uncertain affinity; soft, i.e. fine (clothing); figuratively, a catamite: KJV-- effeminate, soft.

Hebrew version:

6945 qadesh (kaw-dashe'); from 6942; a (quasi) sacred person, i.e. (technically) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry: KJV-- sodomite, unclean.

6942 qadash (kaw-dash'); a primitive root; to be (causatively, make, pronounce or observe as) clean (ceremonially or morally): KJV-- appoint, bid, consecrate, dedicate, defile, hallow, (be, keep) holy (-er, place), keep, prepare, proclaim, purify, sanctify (-ied oneself,), X wholly. 6943 Qedesh (keh'-desh); from 6942; a sanctum; Kedesh, the name of four places in Palestine: KJV-- Kedesh.

This is the key word in 7 of the 14 verses people use to say gay is sin. Is it possible that you (Tammy Perez) give me and my readers information that shows that the above original meanings somehow means gays instead of the ancient definitions?

Arsenokoites was used by Paul who both in Corinth and in Rome saw a fertility temple on every corner which had active male temple prostitutes bringing in funds for the temple. Often these temple prostitutes cut off there “ding dong” and dressed like women because their clients were str8 married men. Paul’s and Moses’ problem was not so much the unbelievers went to them being pagan god worshippers, but that the Hebrew men often went to these male temple prostitutes and ritual orgies and had ritual sex in worshipping these other gods hoping to receive blessings from those gods. Paul actually went into a temple (the most famous in the land) that had over 1000 temple prostitutes and it also had inside that statue to the unknown god.

Acts 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. (KJV)

What I am saying is there is a lot to be studied when you accuse 650 million people today as being condemned by God with your few verses. 1 Cor. 6:9’s “sodomite and catamite” has been translated differently in a list of 30 Bible versions. Finally, in 1850 at a clergy, convention in the USA it had been taught it meant masturbators would not inherit. They agreed Heaven would be empty if this were true because they believed everyone did it. So they also agreed to change how that verse would be taught and they selected gays as it was already a common acceptance because of the then 600 year old antigay doctrine that gays were already evil so no one would miss them. Then in 1946 the two words were removed and the word homosexual was inserted which was not a Bible word and did not come from the two words in fact in Paul’s day there were at least 9 Greek words for gays. Now I can write a book on this verse alone in its journey to the present day on how Christians treated through those years. How do you get it right today when you don’t even spend a second of time studying those 2 words to see if they are words for gays or not.

Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
Rom 1:27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

gays4jesus: The context starts in verse 18 and goes through 32. 18-23 details a description of str8 adults turned from GOD to gods. 24-25 explain what God did, he let those do their thing and go do what they set in their hearts namely go to the other gods to worship in their ways. 26-27 describes their ways as ritual orgies ritual sex in worshipping these other gods. This is a known fact with so much information it is a wonder how you can be so blind about what went on in Paul’s day. I went to Rome recently and I preached from the temple ruins of Cybele the mother of the gods. She was a major point of worship in Paul’s day in the Roman Empire. The Greek words nature and natural:

5446 phusikos (foo-see-kos'); from 5449; physical", i.e. (by implication) instinctive: KJV-- natural. Compare 5591. 5449 phusis (foo'-sis); from 5453; growth (by germination or expansion), i.e. (by implication) natural production (lineal descent); by extension, a genus or sort; figuratively, native disposition, constitution or usuage: KJV-- ([man-]) kind, nature ([-al]).

Today the words nature and natural has new meanings we are accustom to because of science advancements. Therefore, it is important to know what these words meant to the Paul’s day reek speaking people. To sum it up we can say that it means seed and instinct meaning if God were to change things:

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: (KJV)

The nature and natural has to be these people were str8 as adults so that they can start behaving gay as you imply by using these verses. To go against means they had to have been doing it right n the first place. Gays would have had to be str8 then changed to gay. This is not the case, gays were already gay and already dating other gays and knew they were gay from even preteen. They knew God and they did not turn to other gods.

An Apple seed cannot change to an orange tree as it grows. Instincts are very strong and at t right time, that forces a str8 person to want the opposite sex. Str8s already conditioned from birth by society in general be str8 so transitioning to having actual sex does not present surprises as your instincts demand you perform str8 sex. Now gays conditioned to be str8 finding their instincts saying no no presents a dilemma that str8 sex seems appalling. They find they instead are attracted to same sex. This all is a complicated system and I am not going to go into further detail except to say my point is the verse is not talking about gays provable by a number of impossible acts in the verse. A gay couple is not described at all. Then you have the issue of verse 28-32. This is a serious matter. 650 million gays in the world today so finding gays and their society behaviors is easy. The record is loud and clear. Gays behave very opposite as what is described in verses 28-32. Gays are employers best workers, the health care field if they lost gays it would collapse. Gays are pillars in family crisis and more. History and all cultures have often placed gays into a gateway class as a sacred people or spiritual source. Gays whatever cultural class they are in are of significant benefit to that culture. Christianity amputated gays 700 years ago from the Body of Christ. Jesus never forsook them the Church did and has suffered greatly for it.

Leviticus 18:22 (KJV)
22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 (KJV)
13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

gays4jesus: Hebrew/Grammar and Gay Christian 101 are very good links to read in-depth facts of the verses used against gays. Hebrew Grammar especially details Leviticus and Gays Christian 101 has many detailed and documented Bible related articles on each verse and much more. It also has the 76 full documents by Christians over the 1600 years after Paul used the word sodomite. In summary Leviticus says “practicing str8 man” first man “male temple prostitute” second man. The womankind means “sexually immoral woman” like an adulterous. Abomination means “acts done in worship to other gods” I find homophobes refuse to click on any link that may be positive towards gays and I expect you will refuse to click these links too. You just don’t want gay to be anything other than a sin.
God is still the same God he never changes!
Malachi 3:6 "For I am the LORD, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

gays4jesus: John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. (KJV) Being set free is a remarkable thing. You are in bondage to a false doctrine invented by a few powerful Catholic leaders over 700 years ago. They made this doctrine so they could create scandal to purge leaders from high office that did not have the same ideals as they. Like today making scandals was a great way to ruin people. When you learn the truth about how this false doctrine against gays came about and the historical record of its progress into your heart then you could be set free. Alone the verses should set you free, as they do not describe gays in the verses you are using. Now in the Bible, there are detailed descriptions of real gays and they are always in a positive light. So much so that in one phrase by Jesus to make it very clear to understand would be him saying out of his own mouth “gay is not sin”. There are many scholars that have taken on the research into ancient days as to what real gays were called in those days. This sets you free if you just take the time to look into it. 650 million gays today they have their testimonies too. Many accept Jesus and walk with him and can tell you how he has changed their lives. Gay testimonies are like str8 testimonies same thing accept Jesus do a 180-degree turn and walk with him. All you see is sex and if this is your way then we can spend years 24/7 talking about sinful str8 sex which the Bible is full of, but you never even for a second think of your dating falling in love and marrying as sexually immoral, you think things like rape and str8s that boast of 100s of sex partners as immoral but not your love for guy. I have been with my partner for 20 years and NOW a Washington State law “same as Marriage” voted by Washington State’s citizens makes it legal. News last night said District of Columbia had just signed into law gay marriage. This process of gay equal rights follows time tested other rights movements and legalization processes. One of which is women’s right to vote. The truth is for protection in governments it is on Jesus’ shoulders. Even evil governments have general laws to protect its citizens.

Tammy Perez be set free in the name of Jesus

gays4jesus: Great deception are things like all modern versions are satan counterfeit bibles, governments plans to kill up to 6 billion people and create a one world government. Deception is you are conditioned to believe the word sodomite means gay:

6945 qadesh (kaw-dashe'); from 6942; a (quasi) sacred person, i.e. (technically) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry: KJV—sodomite