Monday, April 5, 2010

Yes the Lord is Calling people to REPENTANCE

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abascalcarlosclip_image002: Yes the Lord is Calling people to REPENTANCE. That means walking away from sin and depending on Him to cleanse us.

Gays4jesus: God be merciful to me a sinner! I believe Christ died on the Cross for me, that God rose him on the 3rd day, and that His Precious Blood will cleanse me from all my sins. By faith I now receive the Lord Jesus Christ into my heart as my Lord and my Savior; trusting Him for the salvation of my soul. Help me Lord to do thy will each day. In Jesus name I pray. Amen. This is the actual reason the Lord came to become man so he can pay the price of all of our sins. We would die eternally if we had to justly pay the price for just our own sins. And why did he pay this price? John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (KJV). When people accept Jesus what actually happens is they do a 180 degree turn and head to becoming like Jesus. But every day from then on we all sin each day. WE ARE SINNERS saved by grace. Nothing we can o can earn eternal life. Any one that says they do not sin call Jesus a liar. When we accept Jesus it can be dramatic or pretty bland (it was dramatic for me). If ones means the sinner’s prayer the result is almost always something that can be seen in life changing actions. Meaning, some things we did we suddenly just don’t want to do them anymore. We often change our friends and places we hang out or have a completely different perspective on these. Generally any Christian (and even non-Christian) can see there is something different with the new born Christian. This means condemmers like yourself should take a few extra minutes to see what is the testimony of the one they are condemning. I know condemmers like yourself will say you are not condemming. “REPENTANCE.” Is a word that is greatly abused. If it is something “YOU” don’t like the other person needs to “REPENTANCE” of it. Again, those accepting Jesus really do turn away from many many things they once did. Other things they do need a push like as in studying and researching and pursuing and answer. Just because someone says it’s in the Bible or its sin does not mean it is and or that they info you gave is just not adding up to the facts. So, after reading the Bible and doing other studies in pursuit of truth on the matter new borns change other aspects later in their walk with Jesus. Galileo was right the Earth went around the Sun. Should he have accepted the orders he got to stop believing that? Should a gay person stop being gay (this is like unto Galileo should stop thinking the Earth circles the Sun). Should a gay person believe a sodomite means gay when it is an absolute FACT it means “male temple prostitute”? 6945 qadesh (kaw-dashe'); from 6942; a (quasi) sacred person, i.e. (technically) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry: KJV-- sodomite, unclean.

6942 qadash (kaw-dash'); a primitive root; to be (causatively, make, pronounce or observe as) clean (ceremonially or morally): KJV-- appoint, bid, consecrate, dedicate, defile, hallow, (be, keep) holy (-er, place), keep, prepare, proclaim, purify, sanctify (-ied oneself,), X wholly. 6943 Qedesh (keh'-desh); from 6942; a sanctum; Kedesh, the name of four places in Palestine: KJV-- Kedesh.

This is the key word in 7 of the 14 verses people use to say gay is sin. Nearly every temple Paul saw in Corinth and Rome had male temple prostitutes. In Corinth on temple had over 1000 temple prostitutes and in that temple was also that statue to the unknown god. “REPENTANCE” is the act of doing the 180 degree at salvation. Now that path to become like Jesus is full of obstacles and a lot of zig sagging takes place and Jesus is always there make the zig or zap str8 for you, but that does not happen automatically or the instant and obstacle occurs. On top of that Jesus is preparing you for eternity with him so something we may think is an obstacle is actually a training device for you. We must standfast, holdfast, and persevere to the end, and that means when people like you pop in to condemn it is just another obstacle or lesson to get through on our journey.

abascalcarlos: He will heal anyone because he loves us but to preach that he is not calling people to repent is a false doctrine.

Gays4jesus: Matthew 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching anything that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
He will heal us because of this verse not because of a doctrine or a custom or an interpretation. Billy Graham is a 33rd degree Mason this means he thinks GOD is the evil one and satan is not fallen but is the good one. Yet, so many accept Jesus in his rallies because of the above verse. It is a promise he made it is not a cart blanch acceptance of your doctrine.
1 Corinthians 12 4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. Healing is a specific operation it can be because a person has that gift or the person operates in other gifts which can also produce physical healings but not like one that has the gift of healings. If you have the gift of healings you can heal on service long if you like. Even in your desperate prayers for healing a problem you have Jesus will heal that physical concern. We also have 2000 years and healings are not happening at a drop of a stick by any means so the fact is though he could he doesn’t just heal anyone. I personally have had 3 major dramatic instant physical healings myself. I have been preaching on TV since 1985 every week and I never ever preach don’t repent. I do get into the abusive use of the term “REPENTANCE” on my programs.

abascalcarlos: The sin is called FORNICATION wether with man woman or beast it is still the same thing.

Gays4jesus: Just because you think gay is sin and you think they can’t be married that you call it fornication it does not make it fornication. Here is a link to a more specific meaning of fornication: The closest you can get to a gay person to be committing fornication is a “male temple prostitute. At best we can assume maybe correctly a good number of “male temple prostitutes” (sodomites) are gay. Keep in mind even back then in the whole world this would be a small number of gays and by no means a representation of all gays. That would be like saying female prostitutes means all str8 women are prostitutes. A female temple prostitute was called a “whore” in the KJV, but meant the female version of the male temple prostitute. Another FACT nearly if not all of these sodomites’ clients were str8 men, and both Moses and Paul just did not like it at all that Hebrew men would go to those pagan gods for ritual sex. Long story short. 650 million gays today it is very rare to find male temple prostitutes among them. There are some variety of other secular if you will gay prostitutes, but like female str8 prostitute this does not make all str8s into committing fornication. Personally, my 1st lover (another word for spouse) lasted 10 years. I have been with my current spouse, Stef, for 21 years. If you are married to an opposite sex spouse should I say you are committing fornication after all that is what you are saying to me. Homophobes have a knack for placing gays into the same class as sex with animals. I guess you get jollies out of doing this right?

abascalcarlos: Even if someone gets healed, if you don't tell people the truth their blood is on your head.

Gays4jesus: Matthew 10:32-33
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. (KJV)
Verses like this is what drive a lot of homophobes, they think if they don’t tell gays they are going to hell then God won’t let them enter heaven so homophobes just can’t study for truth concerning gays they have to deny any positive thing because should they slip and say something positive might be then they believe they will be shunned at the Pearly Gates.

The truth is “arsenokoites” was used by Christians and written down 76 times in the 1,600 years after Paul used it is 1 Cor. 6:9. This is available for anyone to read in the entire writing of that Christian writer so there is no room to guess arsenokoites was use to condemn gays all along. Actually it was not really until 1850 arsenokoites began to be used to condemn gays. This has specific history if you want the story. YOU are not telling people the truth since you say arsenokoites means gays. Anyway thanks for your comment.

Signs Following does not mean you are Christian (according to MissedTheMark)

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My comments will be after Gays4Jesus: I am not sure what video(s) MissedTheMark watched but this one is on healings so I can assume maybe he watched it.

Hello, I was just looking at your videos and my question to you was this. Do you believe that homosexuality is not a sin because a person who is homosexual heals somebody, in Jesus' name? Do actually believe that because the Holy Spirit works through people, then it would imply that it justifies their lifestyle? Let me share something with you.

Gays4Jesus: I believe “John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (KJV)” and “Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (KJV)”.

Any spiritual gift gotten afterwards is a gift from God:

1 Cor 12:4-11 4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. KJV”

My Statement of Faith

Does those that condemn gays be justified because those condemners are also operating in spiritual gift?
I've been working in Pentecostal, charismatic churches for a while now, no specific denomination.

Gays4Jesus: I have been in the Assemblies of God since 1974 and I been to many off shoots Pentecostal churches too. I spent quality time in many mainline denominations as well for a decade too as part of a job requiring that I actually attend the Sunday school and main service as part of my job. Pretty neat to be paid to go to church huh? God is so good.

I've seen some crazy healings in my time, I've seen legs grow, bloody oozing wounds instantly disappear, dead babies raised from the dead. I went to Africa, laid hands on the sick, malaria, Aids, and healed the deaf, but in no way have I ever thought that because God uses me to heal the sick or cast out demons that the things that were in my heart were justified before God.

Gays4Jesus: I have also been around the block and seen many amazing miracles. I have personally had 3 major instant dramatic physical healing myself (happy to go into detail of those remarkable experiences). I have seen what otherwise would be pretty strange, but actually obviously the Holy Spirit move on people. My first lover (10 years with him) was an American Indian and so I went around five times a YEAR TO THE Indian Reservation and went to many of the Christian services. Assemblies of God should be embarrassed at how little they actually operate in the Spirit. Demon flee at my voice many times and sometimes quite obvious (of course this is in the name of Jesus)

I will admit to you that I had lustful thoughts throughout that trip. I had selfish intentions in certain areas, and at times I was very angry with God and cursed at him, but still he used me, even under those conditions.

Gays4Jesus: Every Christians since Jesus died and the 1st to accept him remains human. Many acts are not sin but we call them sins and are so conditioned to put ourselves on such guilt trips because others say this or that. God cannot see you sins, satan regularly tells God how much you are sinning and God tries his hardest to see this sin satan is speaking about and all God sees is Jesus Blood when he looks at us for our sins. We are forgiven. God’s laws are written on our hearts. When you talk of your African sins what am I supposed to think? You killed people there? You had sex with everything that moved? You coveted everything the Africans owned? Did a cute person walk by and you had a WOW attack so you call that lust? Hey “angry at God” I did not come to God because I wanted him to give me something. I came to him because he is truth. It is impossible for me to understand how anyone can curse God after you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Yes many a horrible terrible and worst experiences can come to a Christian, but nothing should even come close to feeling like cursing God because of his Great provision through Jesus Christ His Son. The closest a Christian I would think could get would be to say if I were not saved it would be logical to curse God, but being saved I know my future and the Sacrifice Jesus did for me. I should have died on that Cross not him. So how in any condition can a Christian curse God. So I assume you are using a figure of speech to tell me you had tough times at some point. Selfish? This term is so misused. Just because you like things and may not rush out to share thing does not mean you are disobeying some selfish rule. Jesus Created us and we have personal likes and dislikes and self-preservation and these should not be confused with keeping something to yourself that should be shared. Or you weren’t in the mood to share. Life goes on and there will be days like that so what. “SELFISH” is not an example of a witness to gays.
Does it mean that the things in my heart were OK with God? Absolutely not...

Gays4Jesus: Things in your heart? This phrase means you are trying to place your concept of what is or is not sin as OK or not OK with God. Sort of dumb. God knows you in every detail and is not shying away from you because of your quirks or naks that you are conditioned to think is probably sin. Maybe it is sin or maybe not. If you are trying to cover your bases to just say you are not perfect it is not that useful in witnessing to another. Who cares about your issues of your mind’s conflicts with sin. Now if you killed or raped someone or worshipping other gods I can see yes you got to deal with things. But to try to make a big issue out of something you will most likely do again and again and likewise the person you witness to will also continue doing minor issues then what a wastes of precious time that will never stop those kinds of pity sins. I do not condone sin, but 2000 years plus the LAW of Moses has shown much to do with people’s sins are not really changeable to any great extent. But when we accept Jesus we do a 180 degree and head towards Christ likeness. Tell me who is right Vatican I or Vatican II or AOGs or Adventists? Whose by laws should we obey. Yes say obey God, but this implies you know what to obey and then we are back to denominationalism who has the right sin lists.

How do I know this, you might think? I know people before they were saved, were involved with witchcraft. There were times when they tried to exorcise demons. When things would become too difficult, they would try to remove the Spirit by using the name "Jesus", and it would work.

Gays4Jesus: I got saved I also knew a lot about many things and I knew many things worked. I knew 100% astrology works (I was not into astrology). There are just something that work that defies anything anyone can come up with. Bibles is a big book. Do I decide to re-access my philosophy about why astrology works (example only) based on maybe you telling me it is of the “devil”? I absolutely will not change something about me because someone else says it is right or wrong. I will however search and study till I am satisfied I had seen enough to cover the pros and cons of the issue. There is nothing I tell you that I have not thoroughly and satisfactory researched. I know why you think gay is sin from its get go. I also know some factors about again this example astrology. Accepting Jesus did something to me, it made me without doubt believe the bible is the word of God. It did not make me accept anyone’s interpretation. Again the example astrology, it is a fact it works period almost like gravity, the rock will fall guaranteed on Earth. You got to know astrology so it is not on a whim. So, I said to God look at this Bible it is so thick how can I find what you say about astrology (sorry I still have to emphasize, because so many people I talk with assume in this case I would be an astrologer) so prayed, then opened the bible the next time and it fell to:

Isa 47:13-15
13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. 14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. 15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander everyone to his quarter; none shall save thee. KJV

Now, these verse are very clear and simple (not the verses you use against gays which require lots of backup info) even if researched to the “n”th degree you would find it to mean astrology is not what God wants you to be doing period.

Christians in simple demon cases can easily take care of demons. The phrase there is a demon behind every bush is only true in regards to “grandfather Bush, father Bush, and son Bush. Lots of demon icons simply keep our eyes off or the real demon and their works. We as Christians play with witchcraft and other concepts of satan and demon and so are so distracted from the real demons and the real works of satan. Satan got one thing on his mind kill all Christians and rise above God. We often say it is satan for works of God. Satan will take all the credit we shove on him though it is the works of God. 9 tenth or more of anti-christ’s time we call the tribulation is God at work. It is a time God is rounding up the stubborn people. God so loved the world he will spend a great deal of time reaching the unreachable. He does this is two segments. The 1st 1260 days and the last 1260 days. The 1st 1260 days is the time God shakes today’s Christians of their bondages to false doctrines, cultures, customs, conditionings and more. One false doctrine it the one against gays. Huge numbers of Christian will turn their backs on Jesus because their love for these things is so strong. The last 1260 days is to even get the remainder of those that up to then still did not listen and God still not willing to lose them his promise to Jesus. These about 1 billion will be alive and start the new period that will last 1000 years.

Many things work spiritually. This is because of the Holy Spirit. Using HIM illegally is like using electricity. It can be used for good of bad because it is electrons pushing the one in front of it forward one notch at a time. God is not going to defy what he Created through Jesus Christ His Son. We can go to Mars now because God will not change those physics. There are spiritual physics too and this has one source the Holy Spirit. The omnipresence of God. The Holy Spirit is a person of God. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Angels, demons, satan, mostly like also other life forms we generally call aliens. And humans can access the holy Spirit illegally. Some are really good at it and teach others and so develop it into a state of the art process that becomes call astrology “again”. satan has God’s permission to use the Holy Spirit. Before I accepted Jesus I learned a years’ worth of Rosicrucians. This is like a more operate in the spirit form of the Masons. The stuff works, you can make plenty happen. You can make people do things by thinking it and you watch it happen. Very minor but the 1st year you can see visually results from your operating by trained processes. The complexity of the Holy Spirit it extensive. However, pre-Salvation using HIM is Illegal and will get you death unless you accept Jesus of course. Now, some cannot be saved and they look very human, but are descendants of those that came down. You cannot cast satan out of them because they may probably not be able to be possessed. These cannot be SAVED they are the tares sown by satan. Can you fathom some one that looks very human that knows they cannot be saved and you are trying to cast satan out of them? How friendly will they be to you? 2000 years came and gone and many Christians did not have Jesus come the rescue to save them from the grasp of these people. Masses of Christian have been killed, but death brings life so satan loses unless he can trick you and he can if you don’t do your homework.

This parallels the story in the book of Acts with the Seven sons of sceva, a jewish high priest (Acts 19:11-16) These guys were casting out demons in the name of Jesus, but were not Christians themselves. They were just attracted to the power, until they ran into a very powerful demon that pretty much beat the crap out of them, but they were using the power of the name of Jesus. These guys were not saved, but were performing supernatural power by using the name of Jesus.

Gays4Jesus: Acts 19:11-16

11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul: 12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them. 13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth. 14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. 15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? 16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. KJV

Not a good idea to use Jesus’ name and not be a Christian huh?
But the most important scripture of all is Matthew 7:21-23. I'm sure you are familiar with it. "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS."

Gays4Jesus: One of the reasons for the 1260 day shaking of all Christians is because over the last 2000 years Christians condemning innocent people was rampant. Sure we know the horrors being a Catholic and you don’t obey the POPE or your priest., But Protestants has plenty of a terror reign as well. At time sometime a single individual would stand up with points that was heresy then but now nearly completely accepted as Bible truth. Your statement given to me a gay person means you as you have been throughout your comments here are saying gay is sin and instead of using the actual 14 verses that has at least some sort of direct male to male sex of some sort involved you hem and haw around with making a hidden assumption that gay is sin and so the gay person is doing all these things you are stating. I am 63 years old as I write today. Jan. 27, 1974 I accepted Jesus. Pentecostal tongue speaking that same year. I have a policy for those assuming I am just mouthing my faith. If you won’t ask questions about my walk with Jesus so I can give account of my faith in Jesus then take my challenge of Jesus showing personally he is with me. This would mean you get your pastor to invite me to your church and that your pastor and other leaders by however you call them with your congregation do as your faith believes. Cast out demons, bind them, bind me, lay hands on me, pray over me in tongues and with your understanding, preach up a storm on the gay issues and Bible verses. I will submit to you willingly and truthfully allowing you to do as your faith depicts., You can take as long as you need, even days. Then it will be my turn, I won’t need anyone to help me pray or stand in support of me, that would not be fair to you, so I would stand alone after you and all yours has done all you know calling on God to show gay is sin. You would allow me with the same commitment and respect I gave you when you did your best in your faith to then do as I feel led in my faith. NO SHOCKER I am Assembles of God so you know what their faith is right? This then would bypass your need to do what was right and ask about my walk and my testimony in Jesus Christ. What would happen is you would see if your faith and your church made anything happen in the Spirit. OR if my faith made a difference. I feel dumb saying this because I already know what will happen. Now God can bless heal and many a good thing or he can shake you to the core of your faith. I would be most happy if you accepted me as is and invited me to preach on the Last days and what that shaking will mean to Christians. It would be so much better not to wastes time on concepts of sin when everyone sins till their death anyway. You will always be a sinner saved by grace, this does not stop your sins, it could change you a lot and many sin you will just no longer do, but over all you will sin every day till you die, so let get on with your eternal life and what it means to be living in the days that Jesus will return. This is like no other time and Christian cannot just go on playing their church games. Play day is over. I do not like the idea of going to a Christian meeting to end up having to operate in a manner that severe shaking occurs. I would much rather bring you joy and healing and prepare you for the deceptions you are now being conditioned to. I won’t say to you depart from me nor will Jesus. In the depth of my heart my 100% goal is reach that which will get you into Heaven and eternity with Jesus. I seen it, huge numbers will turn from Jesus in those days. People that today say they would never turn their back on Jesus will turn their backs on Jesus for the times are coming like never before and you ain’t leaving earth before the shaking.
In other words, there will be people who performed many miracles or supernatural acts in the name of JESUS, and to them, they will think that because they did these things, it was justification that they were saved. Apparently, they were deceived, Jesus says and they main reason why they were not saved was simply because they practiced sin. They did mighty works for God and led people to the Lord, but on the inside, their heart was for their own pleasure, which was why repentance from all things was not a part of their life.

Gays4Jesus: Wish you could comprehend. I am assuming you are thinking Jim Jones, Waco and the like. You think a nut case some Joe in the street, or some guru. It just is not what the Bible is saying when talking miracles being performed. Huge numbers flocked to healings, this will be big time stuff not some Joe hidden on some ranch with a few followers. YOU practice sin daily but you are saved! Why why is it so hard for so many to see. ALL HAVE SINNED, this does not keep you from Jesus, you accepted Jesus because you recognized you are a sinner. Billy Graham is a 33rd degree Mason, this means he believes to the core God is evil and satan is the real acceptable god. Once I went to a Billy Graham meeting over 800 accepted that night. Billy is not a Christian flat out. TBN Paul Crouch’s board for decades consisted of mostly 33rd degree Masons. The history of the Vatican abound with direct evil and direct workings to get the one world government. Today no country can go to war unless a arch bishop in the USA approves it. This world is not happen chance for almost anything. Most USA churches over all has received billions from the Rev Moon. Left behind series got their debt paid off , I think it was 75 million. He also was chair as was many big time Christian leaders. Who is saying Lord Lord? There is no hint what so ever any of these even has the slightest intent of repenting. NOW take gays, they are persecuted told they will go to hell and worse and many believe str8 Christians in the antigay doctrine. They spend in creditable time and effort trying to as it were repent. Their heart in deep commitment to change to be str8 but still remain gay. You know this when you do the research on the ex-gay ministries. This is opposite what you indicate. Learn about real gays before assuming what they do or don’t do. Also know your big time Christian leaders and the fact about their real life.
Don't let signs and wonders, tounges, healings, fool you into thinking that you or anybody else is in right standing with God. I learned a long time ago to not let signs and wonders be the judge between who is of Christ and who isn't.. God will use charlatans (people only after money) to heal. Why? Because God is about his name being proclaimed to the nations. God will deal with the charlatan on the day of Judgment and the charlatan will give an account for his or her heart, whether it was for God or for their own gratification..

Gays4Jesus: Brant Baker loved God, his testimony and close relatives and friends and much more give testimony to Brant’s walk. Brand died of aids, pre-Christian he was into drugs and sex and other things that many many str8 preachers also did growing up, he accepted Jesus started a small groups not really planning anything and it grew into a national physical faith healing. His style now is pretty much the norm for faith healing today. I went to many of his healing rallies, he adopted Kathryn Kaulman’s huge choir these would go out into the audience in Brant’s services and heal people as well. It was remarkable. You can see many of his service now on YouTube of Google video or other online. He was on TBN many many time guest hosting and interviewed and his services aired. Paul learned he had aids and banned him then erased his name from the Christian record, it was very difficult to find a hint he existed until recent years when people began to revives his ministries to show he was a servant of God. Frisbee anther gay person friend of Brant’s maybe a lover for a time also died of aids early 80s. He is said to be the first person called a Jesus Freak. The Vineyard church for one whole years had the most important thing for that years was the phrase Frisbee said “Come Holy Spirit” Frisbee started the as it were the modern Christian charismatic style of worship. Today Pentecostals of the mainstream and similar (not apostic) owe their styles of service to these two gay men of the late 70s and early 80s. Benny Hinn literally stole Brant’s style at the orders of Paul Crouch to fill Brant’s vacancy. Who is the charlatan?
Now we can argue all day about Romans 1:26-28, and you'll tell me that it refers to temple prostitution (with no biblical evidence to affirm that arugment, just speculation).

Gays4Jesus: What do you mean speculation?

Rom 1:18-32

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. KJV

Verse by verse where are the gays? Starts with Paul in Corinth before going to Rome, every street corner in Corinth and Rome a fertility temple. Paul spoke at a temple with over 1000 temple prostitutes and that statue to the unknown god. FACT Hebrew men from Moses’ day till Paul’s day really factually went to these fertility temples to those temples sacred male prostitutes for ritual sex to their ferity gods. This is not a wish or a guess. This was especially bothersome to Paul. So verse 18 to 23 God says through Paul str8 adults turned from GID to gods. They were str8 because you say this say gays are condemned. They were as you say not gay till 26-27. They had to be Christian (or God’s people) because they knew him. The time it took to know him and turn from him meant they were adults. Real life gays are provably gay quite early in their childhood. Personally I talked with 10s of 1000s way far over 100,000 gays. I can give lots of facts concerning the history and much more on this topic. Verse 24-25 has to be in fact how you got these str8s to be gay. This is saying by your implying on 26-27 God made them gay. So somehow you need to show how 650 million gays were turned gay as adults because they turned from GOD to gods. Again 650 million gays, show me how you get them all or most of them to be in such described orgy like sex with no hint of a loving caring relation long term. FACT str8 adults that were Christian or God’s people did really go to fertility temples and they real did go to the ritual orgy rooms those temples had, str8 Hebrew men really did tell their wives there are going out and they went to pay a male temple prostitute for ritual sex. Str8 men really do this sort of thing. This is also provable today that str8 men do for reason make other men into in their minds a woman and have sex with them. This is not gay behavior no more than the huge number of hookers make that sex str8 behaviors. When a str8 man goes to a hooker we call it prostitutes right? We do not call it 100% or most str8 behavior. Likewise because both are men (though the facts are orgies had both sexes doing everything imaginable with each other with all the proof you can wish for at your disposal) does not make it gay behavior. Gay behavior is boy meets boy, they date, they fall in love, they marry. This sounds just like str8 behaviors right. Tell me how you can know the difference between dating and falling in love for str8 and them going to prostitutes or raping someone? But you blatantly state Rom. 1:26-27 basically unconditionally condemn all gays. Now 28-32 you seem to think is not part of the story except likely to think to prove how bad it is God gave reprobate minds and that made them openly do the listed things in those last verses. Again real life it is easily provable gays behave quite opposite of verse 28-32. Want me to list the many behaviors that are opposite those you assume gays has to be doing?

The thing is, homosexuality was never flaunted in the bible or showed to be accepted. We honestly don't even need Romans 1 to come to the conclusion that homosexuality was not part of God's design, we could just use common sense.

Gays4Jesus: 3 but actually many gay marriages are mentioned in the Bible, words Jesus spoke says gay is not sin. Intensive research into who were gays in Jesus days backs this up to undeniable. Other verses shows things only would be gays because str8 men in those days under no circumstance would be in the described instanced that told a gay was Raptured right out of bed. Marriage today is pagan ritual from the 12th century almost 100% with Christian names. Real Bible marriage were business deals for profit. How can we negotiate how rich we can result in by arranging the marriage. No choices here. All the Patriarchs in the Bible had many wives and concubines and slaves for sex. How do you determine what was or was not done in Jesus day about who? Gays are in the Bible and History. 1 Cor 6:9 has a track record. Paul made this word up using the fundamental of male temple prostitutes. “arsenokoites” famous word for homophobes to condemn gays. FACT the following 1,600 years this word “arsenokoites” is documented to be used 76 times. This means every use for 1,600 years after Paul we have the entire document written be Christian scholars using the word “arsenokoites”. They never used it to define gays or hint to gays. Some of them used it to refer to sex out of species. 1,600 years takes us 100 years after the anti-gay doctrine was invented to purge leaders out of power that did not have the same ideals, in other words used to create scandals. It took 100 years for the Protestants to adopt that doctrine, that would be 1,600 years after Paul used arsenokoites.

A man has penis in his crotch area, and what do you know, a woman has a vagina in the same exact spot, a long slender object and hole in the exact same spot on their body. It's like the puzzle fits. You put two men or two women facing each other and the puzzle doesn't fit.. Hmm, logic would tell us that hole, and object work the best.. That's my take,,, lol..

Gays4Jesus: What I have personally seen in over 800,000 homophobes is the way they progress while condemning gays. You are doing a very predictable evolution in your condemnation. You start with some attempt to seem rational and trying to give credibility to yourself. But then revert to disgusting graphic detailed description of blatant sex acts. Logic should tell you there are 650 million gays today and at least that many have already lived and died over human history. That says it works. Now str8s never keep to the facing each other mode as you were trying to graphically detail. Vatican actually invented the word sodomy (around 900 ad) to make a law against anything not in the missionary position. We have porn ever since people knew how to draw and we have fertility temple ritual orgies. Str8s brag often to anyone that will be close enough to hear as well. The facing each other is just one of many ways. Stranger yet is all this graphics in drawing and painting and stories and frescoes and most porn sites shows str8 men using as you would say the wrong entrance. Your take simply does not fit the norm of het sex. But still homophobes just seem to need to get graphic at some point in condemnation of gays. You are no exception.

Question to you. Now, when I ask this question to 'gay Christians', they mostly never respond and give me an answer, they choose to ignore it: Did God create a person with a sexual attraction towards children or did they learn to have that attraction through certain sitiuations from early childhood to adulthood?

Gays4Jesus: You apparently love to assume gays are ignorant people and don’t know the facts about much of anything. Well I do know the facts about your now progression to add in children as though this is a gay thing. FACTS in the police records and therapists and any organizations that deal with this sort of thing shows 97% are str8 and 3% are gay. With a 10% gay population it should be 10% instead of 3% but str8s at least are on record more as being this sort of law breaker. But as normal for homophobes you have no ability to distinguish things like rape, prostitution, and other sexual abuse from love, caring, long term relationships between two gays. So you just feel that all 650 million gays are these sort of evil sex acts and love exist with gay couples. My 36 years of talking to gays probably to the tune of 100s of 1000s of them worldwide I don’t see hardly any at all that as you wish got seduced to become gay. Instead they already at a very young age were aware they were attracted to the same sex. Many already are dating others their age at that young age. Does not matter where in the world or how tiny a country is or how far from civilization’s influence is they tell me they knew they were gay at a very young age and this was on their own. Only thing different today than from my youth is now there are resources for them.

You did not explain your gay Christians to me? Who are they, how many, what was the situation? Ex-gay ministries generally have gays that did not study they generally accept their pastor’s word that gay is sin. They hear people like you. Though today gays have considerably more access to knowledge, this does not mean their life long conditioning led them to all this information so many don’t know how to answer. I can answer anything topic you want and in great detail. I can quiz your knowledge so you can see exactly what you are saying. I know the gift I have from God and I am always able to give answer to your questions. Because I know my topics well does not mean all gays do, yet there are so many gays that can answer you if you go to them, they are easy to find. But if you go to gays that are not sure of the ground they stand on then why do you expect they can answer you? Tell me why is this children thing so important to you to think it is an important question to ask gays so you can get the “they never respond” thing from them? Anyway thanks for your comment.