Pakistan Christians

From: Evangelist Fahim [mailto:jfpg.pakistan@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:10 PM
To: gfjGmail
Subject: Re: Request In Christ

Dear In Christ,

                   I visited your site and i really like your serving that you are doing and Lord has blessed me to work with you and learn many good things from you and serve in more batter way.

Did you see anything of interest on my site? What sort of topics or what specifics do you want to chat about? Please don’t be so vague.  “learn many things” “serve in a better way” really is very general and not to personal so please begin talking about real matters in detail as to what it is you are looking for and want to do and what specific things you want to learn and specifically what is a better way meaning to  you?

Dear Brother it will be a great hounor for me to work with you.

I am a lowly servant of the Lord the term “a great honor” implies I am some sort of importance? Whether this is true or not it inhibits real correspondence because it is does not address actions of service to the Lord or specifically ministering to people the Gospel of Christ. I don’t like much (no offense” these opening statements. I really like talking about personal and real life matters. Like I have no idea you really know what gay means and it could be once you know you will reverse your attitude. Or you may be gay yourself and really want to learn about the Bible concerning God’s love for gays and how he will use them in these Last Days. “work with you”? We are many 1000s of miles away so what work we may do is online work. This can have many souls saved and miracles a daily occurrence. It can break down barriers cause by other religions and governments. Online works as it were can move mountains. None of this can happen with vague chat and general statement about statements that make you sound religious. Muslim do not have a personal relationship with Jesus and they will not talk about their personal lives with Allah this already is an inroad to ministry to witness the personal daily walk we have as Christians because we can tell them we did this or that with Jesus and Jesus gave me a bowl of a very specific ice Cream flavor that is not easy to come by. You see living with Jesus we can tell other about what he does with us and the answered prayers we receive while a Muslim must tell you the Bible is wrong and their Islam teachers say this about Christians and that the Koran says this. We love the Bible, but we can set it down and not have one anywhere close to us and we still have Jesus inside and we can talk days on end about our personal relationship with him and no one can say it is not so because it is you witnessing you life walking with Jesus. Jesus is inside us whether we have Bible in hand or not. Yes reading and talking about the Bible is such a blessing, but my point is we are people and people live. Email or chatting in our faith in Jesus Christ is much more that repeated statements of general detailess phases. Your name implies you are an evangelist well that means you preach a get saved message this mean you went somewhere said something and someone accepted Jesus. So expectations are WOW your feet took you to someone and they were LOST and NOW they are SAVED.  What did you do? That must have been exciting. Sharing you experiences in the “working togetherness” you say you want.  Working means your saw my website and you participate in writing a message or suggesting improvements based in what you know about website design or a suggest possible link to address a topic on your heart. Who knows, but “work with you” phrase means “ACTION TAKING” It means doing not just saying sweet words that sound religious and faithful. I am on TV because I believe God gave me a message and I do not care if other Christian don’t like what I say I still know what God wants me to say and do.

I don’t know what you can do, maybe you can sing and can upload your songs, maybe you can write messages, maybe you have credit card and don’t mind giving just one dollar and so you state  “i really like your serving that you are doing and Lord” you wrote above so hey click on the donate button on my site and use your credit card and give one dollar. Do you know 1 dollar can mean more than 50,000 dollars? What a blessing getting an email from that donate site saying $1 was added to you account. Point is do you really want to learn a better way and to “work with me”? Then correspond with action words and turn your text into a real human. Do you have a website I can view, do you have a picture.  What food do you like, do you date, how old are you, when did you accept Jesus. Lots of starting points. Fellowship together the Bible tells us to do especially as we see the end times coming and Jesus soon return. Hey I am John and you are Fahim, maybe you are not called by your friends Fahim I sure don’t know. This is fellowship, Fellowshipping real people not robots come together not to just worship and praise the Lord but also share each other’s daily lives.

As i am serving here in Aif wala bz it is a small town and far from the big cities and i have burrning of heart to learn more and serve batter.GBu

Your burning desire to serve the Lord includes Jesus’ love of “all the world” “God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son”. Jesus did not just pay the price for our sins he came to “SUP” with us meaning to permanently live with us and in us and be your best friend. Serving the Lord is to also deal with whom he Loved and who he loved is human, meaning online treat those you contact as a real person that was born and has all the years of their life that has past by some happy some sad, but a life to talk about. My bathroom was eaten by “ants” I just finished rebuilding it. They destroyed the whole corner of my house. It took me 45 days to fix and rebuild. It looks fabulous. I needed to rent a car while mine was in the shop, The car rental was 5 minute drive from my house. My lover and I had been thinking about buying a PT Cruiser Chevy over the last year, but had not up that point. While driving to the car rental, I asked God to make sure a PT Cruise was available to rent. Well 4 minutes later we arrive and no PT, (so what no big issue) we filled out the paper and would get any car there. As we were finishing guess what drove into the car rental lot? Yes, a PT Cruiser and within another 5 minutes we were driving it home. Dumb prayer, but hey God answered it quickly. (we discovered we did not like that car so off the list of what new car to buy). 

Again, these are real life, makes us human.

Concerning learning more about God, about ministering, about Jesus returning about how to walk with Jesus and more is also very specific and so being vague is unhelpful. Being online and reading email is time consuming so reading vague short general statements means you have to wait to hear back from a another reply you have to make. Time is short and valuable and the world is ripe and ready for the harvest. Maybe if I know what your heart is then I can tell you something that you may do and that could result in many physically healed in your next meeting you go to or have. If you tell me something that you are doing maybe I could apply it and I will see something happen where I am. This is not 20 years ago or a century ago or even 5 years ago. It is today, who know what Dec 12, 2012 AD will bring? We are very near the time that world population will drop to 1 billion in a very short time maybe as little as 42 months.  A fact Jesus set a maximum time of around 2068 AD based on Bible saying those born when Israel became a name someone would be left alive when he returns. I rather doubt that he would come back at that late hour, but the world is today in a state that at any day we can be tossed in world war 3. This can happen in just minutes from now or several years. It does not appear any hint of these issues being resolved. God does have a plan to send forth many unknown people that will result in a great out pouring. Those denomination and groups that have been around for a long time will not be a partaker in the outpouring coming soon. And even as bad as some churches has been they will reap a massive inflow of new converts due to this huge outpouring. You can be and maybe already chosen to be in this new outpouring.

Your brother in christ,

Evangelist Fahim John
John

NO MATTER WHERE OR WHO YOU ARE WE ARE ON THE SAME TEAM

From: Dildar Pervez [mailto:slm_pakistan@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:16 AM
To: gays4jesus@gays4jesus.com
Subject: Opportunity for you broadcast your programs in Pakistan on our cable TV FTN

My weekly TV programs are aired every week : Sundays at 7 am and Wednesdays at 12:30 am “Live Streaming” on scantv.org Seattle, Washington USA time (Pacific Standard Time). You are welcome to copy them and air them on your cable free of charge to you and no charge to me for Pakistan cable airing. If you want the high quality disk version they would come four 28 minute programs on a DVD in mpeg2 format. I have many programs on my website, but they are in a very poor quality real video 4 Mb size files at http://gays4jesus.com also in much better quality around eight minute clips on http://youtube/gays4jesus. If you want specific topic messages on any subject I would be happy to work that out. My Blog: http://gays4jesus.blogspot.com/

Conditions are simple: NO MONEY out of my pocket and “Self addressed paid postage” for DVD disks if you want me to mail you any disks.

I love the Lord. My programs have been seen in every country by at least one person. I have been on air since 1985. I have not had to pay a single dollar and don’t intend to start now. If your motives are good and you really want my programs and are not just trying to drum up funds I would be happy to chat or email correspondence and discuss anything and see if we could give each other what God is showing us. If your motive is just a mass emailing anyone that has anything Christian in their online names and sites then I am not interested in correspondence as this is nothing to do with real and personal love of God and real honoring of the appearance on your message in your email subject title. Here in my city we have a station that is FREE to air programs from ordinary people and I could very easily add a clip from you into my scheduled time on TV. I would not hesitate to do this not asking for a penny (it would have to be limited to a short clip and not a regular message slot. I also and quite happy to add some sort of regular 5 second or so plug for your ministry if your ministry is really as claimed. I accept support and prayer for my ministry as well and my website has a link to support me.

So many ministries contact me in a begging fashion assuming because I am a TV preach I ought to give them money. That just can’t happen so I hope you understand and that you are not motivated by expectations of receiving financial support from my ministry. On the other hand I expects miracles everywhere my message is heard and know if motives focus on Jesus and not the DOLLAR then Jesus can move freely and BLESS as he will.

In Christ Jesus

John

Response to Evangelist Fahim

From: [mailto:jfpg.pakistan@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:21 PM
To: gays4jesus@gays4jesus.com
Cc: stablesministries@gays4jesus.com
Subject: Request In Christ

My response is in BOLD Italics

I am serving as a Evangelist here in Arifwala city and surrounding village areas from last 5 years.

Good to hear.

From last 2 years we are running an awesome project called Bible village reader. Under this project we are training young Christian boys and girls as future leaders of Christian community.

Hopefully you know the difference between training and conditioning. So many think witnessing and teaching are the same. Teaching means you must know the subject, witnessing you simply are telling you experiences with Jesus. Often teaching really is keep traditions and customs ongoing and not real Bible and History.

We are training them how to read URDU Bible Clear and laud to their families and communityes.

Don’t know URDU Bible, but unless it is from the KING JAMES Bible (which is from the RECEIVED TEXT of the 2^nd century’s copies of the originals) then any modern version Bible in founded in Westcott and Hort’s corrupt translation of the 1880s.

Till now we have 15 young students those are under training.

Great

We are printing Bible tracts and distributing them to the lost people and distributing Free Urdu Bibles to the deserving people those have none.

Every human is deserving (actually none deserve, it is by grace we are saved).

You will be surprised to know that here in our areas even believers don’t have bible copies at their homes to study; they have to wait till Sunday to hear the word of God.

Not surprised, most of Christianity up to recent times did not have Bibles of their own. Now there are many many modern English versions that are satan counterfeits (Westcott and Hort). But great you are getting Bibles into many people’s hands.

So our Church tries our best to bless these deserving people with the Bible copies.

Sorry, but “deserving people” is not Bible, all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God. So I just need to point out that the worst of sinners is your word “deserving” would apply to them as much as it applies to those you have given Bible to already.

We are trying to reach out as many souls we can with the word of God.

Blessed are the feet that bring the Gospel.

Please always remember us in your prayers. We will appreciate your Love and prayers.

Will do this.

I really lke your wonderfull work that you are doing

Hard to know if you really know what I am doing. My website is http://gays4jesus.com and yes I preach the Gospel as a Pentecostal Christian (speaks in tongues and have healing ministry) but most importantly my main calling is to show that all Christians that remain alive we not get Raptured before the Tribulation period, but instead will go through 1260 days of shaking (chastisement, sort of punishment) for church wide sins of the past 2000 years. As an institution, the Church has not been very obedient and often persecuted many innocent people. Christian at every chance love to condemn anything they don’t like and say God hates it. So my message can be very frank and hard towards Believers. I see that it is so very important that Christians needs to BE washed during a 1260 day period to in able the plucking off Earth called the rapture by many Christians. This 1260 days is likened to the time Blood was painted of the door posts and door mantles during the Passover so the first born would not die that night. This 1260 days will be a time of washing away of customs, traditions, false doctrines and a time the God answers the prayer of the innocent ones persecuted by the Church during the past 2000 years. Those rejecting this washing will not be clean enough to be plucked off Earth and so will have to go through the final 1260 days and if they survive that even worse time they will go into the 1000 year reign of Jesus on earth. During this time of the shaking huge numbers of Christians will turn their back on Jesus because the message of the TWO witnesses seems to harsh for them. My ministry tries to convey the many methods of deceptions an how it will effect Christians in their daily life. I believe if you know what sort of deceptions are coming (and are here now) you will be better able to stand fast and persevere through the coming days.

The other main calling of my ministry is specifically to the false condemnation of gays. There are 14 to 18 verses used for the past 700 years Christian use to condemn gays. There is a very detailed history about how these verses came to be the anti-gay doctrine. It started for the specific goal to create scandal so Christian leaders (namely Catholic) could purge other leaders from office that did not have the same ideals as they had. So they created a false doctrine saying gay is sin and used verses that pertain to gang rape and male temple prostitutes and so conditioned people so they see no reason to research this doctrine and so it is very very hard to show anyone that a male temple prostitute and a gay person are very very different. God even so has in just half a century has brought gays dignity and as we see today it is a concern to these Christians that say gay is sin that the world is so accepting of gays even to the point of legalizing marriage. This is a miracle from God with a history and detailed background.

So when you say you like my wonderful work it should mean you know I am gay and that I speak on this issue as well as the last days.

i want to work with you i can do translation englsih to urdu and punjabi so that herein paksitan chrsitian people may read them and grow in their faith. it will be a wonderfull blessing for all of us.

You certainly can translate anything on any of my websites and blogs and other sites. At least one person in every country has watched my weekly TV programs. Many Christian ministers in Pakistan have contacted me and many Pakistan gays have chatted with me. I don’t have a specific ministry to Pakistan, but happy to chat about anything. If your desire is money in any form then you came to the wrong place. I just not going to be a ministry that support other ministries in their finances or material needs. Being on TV and having a website brings so many Christians begging for money and other material support. I would be happy to correspond (chatting, email) and talk about anything you like. My ministry policy is if $$$ is involved it is not out of my pockets.

i am looking forward for you kind response, GBU

I am not necessarily kind to ministries that come to me, because they often have a motive that is not in the first correspondence. I am very much a servant of the Lord first and foremost, but will not hesitate to stand up to false doctrines that has made slaves of so many Christians.

Pakistan is certainly not western, but where ever the Church goes they most often bring their baggage of customs and false doctrines to any foreign land the take the Gospel. Pakistan’s Christians have to face the real issue of Islam, which is like Christianity in that they love their leaders and hate facts and history research. So, Muslims don’t know that The Vatican invented Islam or would reject anything showing they did. Christians also don’t know this and so treat it like a standard “other gods” religion in their witness to them. I have chatted with 1000s of Muslims and know their style of attempting to convert people to Islam. How you came to Christ and how much of a problem Islam is for your walk you did not mention. You may have little trouble or a lot of trouble. For a westerner Pakistan is primarily Islam and so Christian would have a major part of their live with issues a country that is predominantly Islam. I think Islam was risen up to shake the Church. God rises nations of un-belief to punish God’s people when the are in disobedience. This does not mean Pakistan Christians but the whole Church. After the purpose of shaking God’s people is done God then destroy that disbelieving nation he rose up. I think Christians living in Islam countries have a message and perspective that can help all Christians. But any Christian anywhere is in the middle of 2000 years of Christian groups trying to say their way is right and the other Christian group is wrong. Today the Church is very much a part of giving power to THE Anti-christ. Often directly and also indirectly. Christians today are the Last Days’ Christians and they will see the time Jesus returns and so are confronted with so much that sitting back and not watching should not be an option.

Your in Christ,

Evangelist Fahim John

John