Rick Brentlinger Answers -
(Isn't it all about sex for you gays and lesbians?)
[I ADD MY COMMENTS TO THE SAME TOPIC]
No, its not all about sex. You have a very shallow idea about what gay and lesbian partnerships are all about. Being gay or lesbian is an innate orientation. According to Jesus, its the way we're born, Matthew 19:12.
gays4jesus: Matt 19:11-12 11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. 12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. (KJV)
“But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. . . He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.”
Who are all men? You the homophobe? Somehow you received Jesus saying? So when you join the masses and say eunuch is a castrated man or the like, means that you are really the “whom it was given”? Why should Jesus say “He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.” If this was so easy? It is easy to define “and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake but, “which were so born from their mother's womb” the below link details what is the “born from their mother's womb” History is great because it logs the past. In the present, you can go to that log to see what the past said. The past said “born eunuchs” were gays.
http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/thesis.htm Thesis: Eunuchs are Gay Men
This link above goes in detailed research into the term “Born Eunuch” There are those in the world with plenty of credentials to do credible research on specific topics. You everyday pastor o even Bible scholar will not have much expertise on the sort of information about Jesus’ day concerning gays. When talking about gays it is always a good idea to do your homework. What is proven is in Jesus’ day “born eunuchs” means gays.
5446 phusikos (foo-see-kos'); from 5449; physical", i.e. (by implication) instinctive: KJV-- natural. Compare 5591. 5449 phusis (foo'-sis); from 5453; growth (by germination or expansion), i.e. (by implication) natural production (lineal descent); by extension, a genus or sort; figuratively, native disposition, constitution or usuage: KJV-- ([man-]) kind, nature ([-al]).
GREEK in Paul’s day is not using modern day word meanings. Key above is “seed(germination) and instinct” First homophobes assume it is just a fact natural is str8 and against nature is gay. The Greek of Paul’s day is specific in meaning. You cannot change a seed making an Apple Tree into a Orange Tree. So you can’t make a str8 man gay because the orientation is in the genes. Doubt that all you want, but there are 650 million gays today that have testimonies of their life. Str8s are not deciding to be gay when they turn away from God. Rom. 1:18-23 tells you background that states str8 adults turned from GOD to gods. You cannot change these verses or leave them out because it is those verses that sets the stage for what follows. Trying to say Rom. 1:26-27 condemns gays means you have to explain Rom. 1:18-23. We have a GOD action in verse 24-25 that is the point at which should the homophobes be right str8s turn gay. Of course this is stupid since 650 gays in the world did not first accept Jesus growing up, then after becoming adults turned from God to gods so GOD made them gay. Just did not happen this way. What did indeed happen was str8 Hebrews grew up knowing God and as adults turned to the many fertility gods and goddesses. And so yes God very likely would have should have and actually did give them over to go join those temples and have the defiling sex in their ritual orgies and sacred prostitutes.
Real gays are again 650 million strong today. So finding gays to get testimonies you will find they have the same growing up lives as str8s. Generally, puberty sets the stage for discovering ones sexuality. You are not str8 because as a 3-year-old mommy said you will grow up get married and have kids. Real details the facts. You neared puberty and you discovered hornyness to put it bluntly. To put it in socially acceptable words you began to want to date. This would eventually lead to marriage.
The most difficult for me to understand is how homophobes knowing their own bodies so well and how they ended up with a spouse why is it so hard for them to understand gays. There is almost no difference for gays. Yes they maybe are forced by you to find someone in a maybe not to acceptable way, but then str8s also go places not very acceptable to find “huh? Love”. However, that fact is most gays are like most str8s, they near puberty and want to love someone and want someone to love them. And like str8s gays eventually find someone.
For str8s YES! It is about sex for str8s, so if you think it is about sex for gays that is true too. BUT it is not all about sex it is about marriage that you deny gays. Being human sex is very much part of life. Being Christian really does not change that much about sex and love. There are too many other religions and atheists, that just seems to have as good a sex and married life as Christians do. Being Christians is different because you have a personal relationship with Jesus and you have turned from many things after accepting him. Sex is not one of the things you turned from, but as str8 (which there are volumes of info and str8s tell gays knowing or unknowingly the details about their sex life unhesitatedly) you as even a Christian have a great deal of trouble control those desires. How can you then judge gays if whom you ban from any normal process of meeting dating and marrying while you hardly can control your own body.
Being gay is not as simply as just saying it is the way you were born as though it is not your fault to behave wildly according to your orientation. Being gay is as wonderful as being str8 in dating, romancing, and marrying. Because you ban any hope of a law to give gays legal marriage does not make them not married under GOD. BUT, Praise God through Jesus Christ many countries and even the USA State by State are finally recognizing gays. To understand gay love is to understand your own str8 love. As much as you will protect defend and love your spouse you can not lesson the love one gay person has for their lover (spouse).
With very few exceptions, being gay or lesbian is not chosen - its an innate characteristic - as normal as blond hair or blue eyes or left-handedness.
gays4jesus: Note: “very few exceptions” is quite specific. It does not mean some str8 guy on a quirk decided to be gay. Some say some women were raped and some of these learned to hate men. I do not buy this as to what made them become gay. There is a term that explains it and that is bisexual. This can be latent and some studies are showing 80% are bisexuals, 10% gays and 10% str8s. It does not really matter except that the “very few exceptions” are complex. Some gays live as str8s because really even today they just don’t see any hope for themselves whether it is believing God hates it or just thinking they are sick and so live like they are str8. Bisexuality is the one major stumbling block to developing theories about orientation. The raped woman that does live like a lesbian afterwards has to have been a closeted bisexual or the rape forced this into the lime light. Str8 women are about like str8 men, same sex is not in the cards period.
I hope you have the emotional maturity to understand that sex is not the sum total of homosexual partner- ships any more than it is the sum total of heterosexual partnerships.
gays4jesus: People know sex, they are all experts. The worst of the homophobes are not as stupid as they appear, they know love and they know 2 ½ men sex (Charley). They know the sport legends that claim 2000 female sexual partners. They don’t have a real excuse for condemning gays, it is mostly conditioning and it is fun to find faults in others.
Intimate relationships, whether we call them marriage or a committed partnership (since gays are not allowed to legally marry in most places), are about emotional and romantic attachment.
gays4jesus: This should be the main KEY for Christians to use in judging others if they feel they must judge. Is Jesus at the center of your relationship whether gay or str8. Testimony is about as important as you can get in finding out if your judging is valid. A walk with Jesus produces many things and wild sex orgies is not one of them. Gang rape is not one of them going to male temple prostitutes is not one of them. Bible history tells us the above acts are mostly if not all done by str8s with emphasis on Hebrew men doing these acts as the point of subject of condemnation. NOT GAYS.
They are about spiritual, psychological and emotional support. They are about companionship with someone who matches your sexual orientation.
gays4jesus: In other words:
Matt 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. (KJV)
"Indeed, over 90 percent of American adults experience sexual intercourse before marrying. The percentage of evangelicals who do so is not much lower.
In a nationally representative study of young adults, just under 80 percent of unmarried, church- going, conservative Protestants who are currently dating someone are having sex of some sort."
One is almost tempted to reply:
Isn't it all about sex
for you heterosexuals?"
gays4jesus: tempted is hinting that it is a sin to state the obvious str8 acts. Str8 outwardly in talk is all about sex. However, married folk though they outwardly joke about sex as though nothing else really matter that much except getting sex, actually they at home do have good relationships. All too often for the sake of loving to talk about sex which Christian condemners love best of all. They get off on condemning sex so in this manner they can talk about sex an appear to be righteous, while all the while getting plenty enough jollies out of talking about how sinful other are for doing it not according to Bible as they see it. Str8 is generally about sex that is the act that brings them together and keeps them together or separates them most often. Sex had to be a strong point in God’s creation, not only for how it feels but to be a joiner of two people. Praise God we can fall in love too. Our mouth often says we did it for love, when we really wanted the sex with someone besides our self and our luck is love gets involved too. Love is plenty an exciting thing to seek and long for, but it is the sex that pushes us to finding love.
You can try to make sweet talk trying to make life paradise, but we got 6000 years behind us to know plenty about the toils of love. gays4jesus
