Seattle Pentecostal Christians

Seattle Pentecostal Christians

If you are Pentecostal this page is hopefully will be a place we can figure out what to do next. Meaning, we are living in the days just before Jesus returns and Pentecostals often are not getting into the lime light as much as they did in the past.

I have been in Seattle since 1980 and have yet to see any move of God. Seattle has Pentecostal churches. Some are "Apostolic" or other similar Pentecostal churches that leans towards a very strict adherence to a bylaw structure of behaviors with their leaders nearly taking on as it were an Apostle roll requiring accompanying respect. This varies in degrees to the extreme to the hardly noticeable.

There are really only two mainline Pentecostal denomination. Four Square and Assemblies of God. From these two there are some what I call break away churches that become independent of any denominational franchise. These though hold almost all the same beliefs of whence they came. What in the main difference between the mainline and the Apostolic line is like saying one is a dictatorship (Apostolic) and the other is a democracy(AOG). I am generalizing only to present these two classes of Pentecostalism.

The statement of faith of both are almost identical. It is one is too strict for most Pentecostals. Apostolic can be as strict as saying they are the only true church and are walking the wire of being a cultic church with a guru type leader. Mostly they deny this, but since I receive calls and contacts from so many over the decade I can speak to this fact. Generally they come on as ordinary Christians and are as it were just another denomination.

Assemblies of God started dramatically with healing miracles in a large gathering which grew into a denomination almost 100 years old now. However, though it can be very strict as both Pentecostal styles emphasize pure living on what they determine is moral. Assemblies evolved into a as I call it a democracy, meaning the pastor had better keep in line or the church will empty. Sort of widely exaggerated as the mighty dollar determines the sermons. This keeps people coming and donating and so Assemblies of God can do much more like international TV networks and large rallies where miracles occur publically.

Too often entertainment becomes the attracting commodity. Almost like competition of who has the best equipment and talent. Most Assemblies though go un-noticed with few public miracles. Assemblies use their power to legislate the gospel way to often since they can wheel a lot of clout through media since they own two major TV networks and have a huge communication system to promote political causes. Again I will exaggerate these qualities somewhat to point out Pentecostalism is operating in the gifts of the Holy Spirit and should not energize us to manipulate politics.

Corruption is in all churches so I am not going to emphasize this area except to say the CHURCH as a whole will give the final vote that makes Anti-Christ world dictator. All church is some way direct or indirect are supporting a one would religion so singling out any church is really not much point as it is prophetically filling in the loop holes to make the Tribulation period take place on time as planned by God.

Seattle Pentecostal
(here on Pentecostal means Assemblies of God style Pentecostal, often called “charismatic” tongue speaking Christian)

This webpage is created to step beyond tradition. The mainline churches were needed to get through 2000 years. They will be needed to take care of the coming rival. The Church (meaning denominations and physical buildings or meeting places) will suddenly find huge crowds coming through their doors. It is not going to matter the church doctrine or how corrupt any church had become. You do know we are forgiven don’t you? Corruption and false doctrine is always there and has not be a ingredient for salvation. John 3:16 and Romans 10:9 are the staple for salvation. Yes the whole Bible does not become unimportant to Christians. False doctrines just can’t be an issue since every Christian is believing some sort of false doctrine and they are not going to a church that has it all right or does not have corruption.

The huge numbers of people that will begin to flock to any church door will set the stage for a immediate issue. The pastors and their staff will be frantic and will soon find their old ways won’t work for so many people pouring in their church. God intended the CHURCH (on every street corner) to house the masses somehow and teach them how it is. Now pastors are pastors because they were called RIGHT? Well, suddenly they realize it’s happening and so they know at least at some point to listen to the TWO WITNESSES and also the many God is about to send. IS HE SENDING YOU? MAYBE THIS IS WHY YOU ARE AT THIS SITE READING THIS NOW.

All Pentecostals are of course welcomed, but I live in Seattle and want to reach out to Seattle Pentecostals. You in other states or countries are welcomed to do the same in your city.

Like I said I been in Seattle for a few decades and been to a number of Assemblies of God churches and many other churches too. I never ever seen or heard of a revival or miracle rallies. I have been to some fantastic revivals in my day and seen amazing miracles. I have had many miracles too. I have had 3 major physical healing myself just for asking Jesus to heal me. The Accounting of these are on my sites. I know beyond doubt God has no hesitation to move it is we as Pentecostals have grown very accustom to our cozy style praise and worship services that if we are lucky get to hear a tongue and maybe an interruption once in a while and on occasion have a little camp meeting in our church. Now a-days we almost don’t know what the phrase “camp meeting” means.

30 years ago it was not that usual to see a tent pitched on some corner with some preacher preaching up a storm. Now if we see anything like it, it is a well-oiled and organized format that is not allowed to be deviated from. These are rare and requires a plane ticket or a long drive and probably taking a vacation from work to attend.

I really believe, especially for Pentecostals, that we should endeavor to witness with no restriction to time and place. WELL yeah huh? Impossible is it? Only if you think you need to do the above organizing and planning that you get people in then out on schedule and have name brand entertainers.

I am not saying I know how to do this, if I did I would have done it by now. All I know is I can keep trying. For so long I have seen a smidgen of people coming to my sites. This last week after some refreshing of my sites I have what appears to be 2000% increase in site visitors. Not really sure why.

What I do know is a church can decide on a project , put some people in charge and promote it from the podium and elsewhere and soon they have what they asked for. Sometime it is as much as a new building. Other times it is increasing the offering plate or set up a new outreach. They may learn of talent in their church and get that person up singing. Sometimes they double and triple their congregation. There is a church a block away from my house that died and so sold the building to an eastside church. That church has something going for it as I never seen so many people going to that nearby church. I went there once and it was ok but really not my style (I am Pentecostal they weren’t). Why were they growing?

Well Pentecostal in Seattle why are you Pentecostal? Do you have spiritual gifts? Are you just someone that just goes to work then on Sunday go to church and that is it for your faith? Or have you been praying long and hard for years maybe for God to move? Don’t you want to see miracles in Seattle. Maybe it is Seattle that needs to get going (there is a Russian prophecy that says the great USA rival will come out from Seattle Washington like a wave).

You can start by writing your thoughts and ideas http://gays4jesus.wufoo.com/forms/your-topic-or-suggestions-for-a-topic/ This link takes you to a form where you can write up to a page or more. When you submit it I can put it here on a link from this page and from my several sites. Anyone can write here, but I really hope to reach some Seattleites that want to make a difference in Seattle.

What do I personally want? I want people in Seattle to know where someplace is that they can go to a HEALING rally. Hate to refer to a counterfeiter plagiarizer Benny Hinn, but he is the one we hear about a lot. I speak badly about him because he basically stole Brant Baker’s style and took credit for it himself. http://gays4jesus.blogspot.com/2007/12/brant-baker-shekinah-fellowship-re.html of the late 70s and early 80s. He adopted Kathryn Kuhlman’s huge choir after she passed on. Back in those days we had a lot of these faith healing style ministers. I don’t think we will go back to those type healing services. EndTimes is a different era than the past 2000 years of Christianity. We had 2000 years to mess things up and now we enter a new period or pre-Jesus return. It is the GET READY time. I go into detail what that means on my sites.

Like I said I don’t know how to get anything going, but I bet many of you do if you set your mind to it. Also, maybe you are like me just think they are alone. I know in Seattle there are many Pentecostals longing to operate in the Holy Spirit and just can’t seem to get answers from God or their current church. It is like a block and you are just doing a lot of wishing. I think if a few are able to connect something can happen. I really do not believe in a new denomination of a new independent church needs to be started. I don’t think even that finding a coffee shop or a home to meet in like a standard home Bible study group. People have been doing this from the beginning and it does not work other than keeping it small and maybe inconvenient and uncomfortable and always someone is taking the lead and so it is just another nothing happening group. I just think that a been there done that process is not a LAST DAYS starting point for the move of God. Probably you don’t either since you already tried all you can.

I am trying to find that needle in the hay stack. I believe God is keeping it hidden for the season, but I also think that season is ending and so something is about to happen. I’ve talked with easy a million people in some way or another since 1974 from all over the world. It might be that the best that can be done is that some of you hear what I am saying and or already know something so that a disaster that affects you (meaning suddenly you lived through something and now are in the mist of the aftermath and so can lay hands on or some other operating in the Holy Spirit act that causes a mini or maxi revival).

I am looking for that needle can you tell me it is left or right, then someone else can say now go southwest. Who knows that what you write at above input link may change the face of Seattle and put it on the Christian map. I know it will involve Glorifying God through Jesus Christ. We can’t be seeking our glory but giving him the Glory. But for sure it is through you God will be Glorified. God has been telling me for decades the CHURCH will not be the revivalists they think that they will be. They will be generally forced to adjust to what YOU have done through Jesus Christ. That is Reach the unreachable that send them to established churches. YOU and the coming Messengers God has prepared are not church planters but church fillers.

More to come as this page is under construction as they say.

GateKeepers

Gatekeepers generally are not easily clearly described in terms that can really be clear because sources are not bluntly flat out Christian mainline. Lots of mysteries are mysteries just because they are very hard to prove out. Often their backgrounds get into cultures that they can’t be accepted very well. The Bible is full of mysteries that has taken 1000s of years to get some revelations that then could explain it acceptably. The Universe is so huge we are only now fathoming how much we don’t know about it. It just gets more wondrous. God is far more glorious than words can explain. Christians generally are put on the spot if they receive revelation with little proof or material to back it up.

Gays as “GateKeepers” is a mystery hard to accept. It is in the Bible but written in ways that just can’t be known easily. What is in the world often is in societies we would discard as pagan or culturally non-Christian. The more precise detail info comes from tribes in Africa. But also from many cultures around the world. Insert Christianity into the equation of these culture and the POWER of Christian Church effects a ban or ridicule or a rendering to a demonic origin. Demon are not behind every bush (except grandfather Bush, father Bush, and son Bush). The Bible does talk about aliens and UFOs, but not as the History channel implies. Some things that go bump in the night are Heaven originated not from hell. But we can’t just accept these things that are so vague and so dimly lit as doctrine. Many things remain interesting topics to many.

Around 700 years ago the Church amputated gays from its body creating the antigay doctrine. This has made the Church very sick and weak. Today, God has graphed gays back into the Church and healing is beginning. Following gay history gays really do have an impact on society. Just look at the effort to finally get “Don’t ask don’t tell” repealed. Gay marriage is now free and clear to overcome the issues that keeps it from becoming law.

To shorten this response asked about gays as “gatekeepers” summing up history we do find enough facts that societies think of gays as a source to keys to deep possesses between God and man. As Christians we can clean out the non-believers and apply gatekeepers to Christianity as so what does it mean. Gays as a fact are generally sacredish in a lot of cultures. The incredibly famous sacred gays that homophobes use to condemn gay as sin is “sodomites” The part of they could be gay is not the Bible issue. The Bible issue relating to the sin of it is that is it an “OTHER GODS” THING. God is a jealous god. As Christians we are his spouse. Going to other gods is unfaithful. Point here is in pagan worship we got the gays as most sacred. Anyone and everyone in other religions aren’t going to Heaven unless they come to Christ.

Sacredness in other religions can’t ever get you Heaven. In other religions you also have carpenters and you have carpenters in Christianity. Short point is not your occupation but your god that keeps you from Heaven. If a “sodomite” got saved he would stop being a male temple prostitute therefore would not be a “sodomite” anymore. If gay he would still be gay and going to Heaven because he accept the work of Jesus on the Cross. When you as a str8 person and were not saved you were going to hell period. But you as a country music lovers came to Christ you remain a country music lover but a saved one. But if the country music had very evil words you would stop buying those songs and buy more Christian country songs. One could say you changed, but you are still yourself which was a country fan.

Many American Indian cultures think gays are sacred. When you read and read and read some more about gatekeepers you begin to understand a pattern. Gays could just perhaps have built in gifted traits that make them a gatekeeper. So “born again” gays are actually important for the CHURCH. It is the what was thought to be an uncomely member was given more abundant comeliness.

FACT two gay men in the late 70s early 80s completely changed to style of Christian worship. Brant Baker and Lonnie Frizbee brought a style of faith healing and worship service that has become the style we see generally in charismatic Pentecostal worship. Brant was fast becoming internationally known as a faith healing ministry regularly on TBN. The famous Vineyard church has a listing of what one phrase for the entire year was most profound. One year it was Lonnie’s “come Holy Spirit” Today we love singing “COME HOLY SPIRIT”. It had an origin. But they were before their time a hint of what is to come in the fullness of the gay Church which soon will become very public. Being early 80s both had wild pre-Christian lives. Normally we praise God at bring people out of wild party lives or the like. But mid 70s was not the best time for gays to be a party animal. (Lonnie is where the term “Jesus Freak” began and was the first to be called that. They both got aids early 80s Paul Crouch found out and banned them and then erased their existence from the Christian record. Fortunately Praise God all was not lost and now you can hear them online and watch their services.

There is Bible that says some powerful things about an army of believers that has characteristics of gays that will have an incredible ministry in the Last Days. God has shown me for decades gay Christians as a whole are called to be restorers. They will loving minister to the fallen saints who often persecuted gays , urging them back to Christ. In a time when nearly 2/3 of present day Christians turn their backs on Jesus.

The more you research the more you will find. I have been intensely researching and searching for info anywhere it can be found since even before I accepted Jesus in Jan. 1974.

One-God, Apostolic, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller,

One-God, Apostolic, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller, Born again, heaven bound believer

eccka1 About Me: Hey thanks for stopping by(: Okay well lets start off by saying I am a one-God, Apostolic, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller, Born again, heaven bound believer in the liberating power of Jesus' name. I've been washed in the blood, sanctified by the Spirit, I was set free at a Pentacostal alter on my knees, Pardon me if im not ashamed to be a one-God, Apostolic, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller, Born again, heaven bound believer in the liberating power of Jesus' name!

Gay Pentecostals Hello!  I have watched some of your videos and I just have a couple questions. First off I just want to say that I am Apostolic/Pentecostal and that this is not meant to insult you but I just was kind of curious about all of this.  * Romans 1:26-27(King James Version is what I'm reading from) verse 26, says God gave them up to vile affections,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*. If you read down it says they gave up the natural use of the woman and burned in there lust for one another, men with men working what is unseemly(shameful) receiving in themselves that recompense(penalty) of their error which was meet(due).  I was just wondering how in any way can someone justify being homosexual with that scripture?  p.s: The words in the parentheses is what the word means in Hebrew. It wasn't because I thought you were unintelligent.  *Not translated in Hebrew, dictionary definition.  God Bless,  -eccka1

My Response

My apologies, but “Apostolic” sets you in a class I call “holier than thou” Generally Pentecostals fit in two categories. Certainly there is a wider variety, but for sake of narrow the field there are just two main groupings. Apostolic and Assemblies of God type. Apostolic contains by my experience no matter the brand those that have a fetish about some sort of purity they think is a requirement for salvation. This sort of purity is impossible to achieve. Apostolics sin daily and are not living pure flat out. Actually no Christian is living pure. Apostolic make though this their main consideration and are extremely closed minded to other denominational wisdoms on scriptures. I speak from 26 years on weekly TV with over all over one million estimated people passing by my TV programs or my sites. I get many Apostolic Christians and so I speak from that experience. I have talked long hours with 1000s of Apostolics so please respect my background experience with Apostolics.

Assemblies of God type are I suppose is what has become mainline Pentecostal. They are the ones that got Daystar and TBN up and running. I have been with them since Jan. 1974. http://s91536390.onlinehome.us/gaysforjesus/Statement.html for my statement of faith. I can say like you that I am a “one-God, Apostolic, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller, Born again, heaven bound believer in the liberating power of Jesus' name. I've been washed in the blood, sanctified by the Spirit, I was set free at a Pentecostal alter on my knees, Pardon me if I’m not ashamed to be a one-God, Apostolic, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller, Born again, heaven bound believer in the liberating power of Jesus' name!” Notice though I scratched out Apostolic .

·
Of or relating to an apostle.

1. · Of, relating to, or contemporary with the 12 Apostles.
2. Of, relating to, or derived from the teaching or practice of the 12 Apostles.

a. · Of or relating to a succession of spiritual authority from the 12 Apostles, regarded by Anglicans, Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and some others to have been perpetuated by successive ordinations of bishops and to be requisite for valid orders and administration of sacraments.

b. Roman Catholic Church. Of or relating to the pope as the successor of Saint Peter; papal.

c. The adjective has 2 meanings:

d. Meaning #1: of or relating to or deriving from the Apostles or their teachings
  Synonym: apostolical
  Pertains to noun: Apostle (meaning #3)

e. Meaning #2: proceeding from or ordered by or subject to a pope or the papacy regarded as the successor of the Apostles
  Synonym: papal
  Pertains to noun: pope (meaning #1)

This is not hardly relating to Apostolic in the practice of the modern Apostolic churches. Apostolics have no mercy of love when they go after what they deem sinful life style. They also use no backup to explain why they use certain verses, but this is also true of all denomination Pentecostal or not. My ministry is to be non-stop emphasizing back up your mouth if you are condemning gays.

Generally Assemblies of God are very much in living right for God mode. However, they differ in that “Apostolics” are mainly ruled like near cult guru leader and by laws. Apostolics are on the razor edge of being a Jim Jones David Karesh on the one side and some are standalone individuals that proclaim they do not need a church or fellowship. While Assemblies of God sometimes are near holier than thou they are NOT rigidly demanding obedience. Assemblies of God parishioners are very independent and would not tolerate a pastors that would demand strict observance of holier than thou theology.

I can spend a long time on this topic, I bring it up here to put background into your background verses a background that is not from your personal convictions. Quakers are not going to get Unitarians to move out of the city and toss all modern conveniences. Protestants are not going to alternate this week attend a Catholic Church next a Baptist then their own denomination.

Concerning spiritual gifts and operation. I speak in tongues daily and often. If I doze off as I am passing in to sleep but yet still conscious I see an instant going into a vision while still seeing what is around me. Once asleep I wake often and almost all the time from a dramatic amazing vision. I have had 3 major physical healings where I personally ask Jesus to heal me during a especially painful part of an illness or other. These were very dramatic and lasted several minutes with abounding love of Jesus pouring on my as the healing took place. I cannot count the number of very detailed prayers that got answered in details as I ask for. Some time it is within a few minutes they are answered and they are otherwise impossible. I have asked for weird things and got answers. Once I asked that God arrange a UFO to fly over my house knowing this requires timing that I would be outside looking up at the time. Within a few days a http://youtube.com/watch?v=EWmCEUaN_IU ufo did fry over my house. I did manage to take a video (not very good but it is a fact) But I also had binoculars and was able to see it close up and we ain’t got nothing like that and what’s more it looked like it could do a lot of harm. I had a witness that also look at it through the binoculars.

Over 200 Assemblies of God pastors prophesied over me specifically calling me up front of congregations of 1000 plus. Often it was done in 2 or 3 additional prophecies other staff gave as I was up there. They were accurate and confirm God called me to minister and loved me and I him. Then all those years the people in the congregation and everywhere felt need to tell me they see God and Jesus in me and with me. I can spend days on miracles too.

The above also is intended to show you that judging someone as in sin when they have a WALK with Jesus for decades. My YouTube Videos has details about the verse you used. You said you viewed some of the videos but somehow missed the one of Romans? At least you read the KJV. I wonder if you know why you read the KJV. Do you also use modern versions? All modern visions are satan counterfeits which is backup up by reading about the ones that gave Christians modern versions, Westcott and Hort.

,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*. Now let’s look at your parents ok? How did they meet, did they date? Did they fall in love? I assume they married and later you popped out right? Now your picture make you look young if it is you so you may not be married or dating yet. I don’t want to go into Bible marriage at this time but just to say today’s married are direct from 12^th century pagan marriages dating and rituals. Marriage today is not Bible marriage and not even close. But still you as a str8 girl understands dating even in the strict Apostolic culture. Today the facts are 69% of str8 single Christians have sex on their first date. Josh McDowell’s research of TBN fame. 60% of Christians divorce. Now certainly can’t sit there and think that the other 40% are kool loving caring relationship do you? Lots of people do not divorce because they probably don’t believe in it or can’t. Bing gay does not set you apart from str8s in marriages. So we that are gay see everything in detail and are told by str8s their every sex act and life as str8 person. Str8s just seem to want to talk about their imitate life so nothing is hidden from gays. Now gays live their own lives so they know lies many Christian believe about gays. Like you your ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*. Somehow you think this means gay loving each other (like you as a str8 person somehow find yourself married and how you went from single and ended up married) means ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*.

Now your Romans attempt to say gay is sin is not a one verse you can take out of a story and use as doctrine. You actually must keep verse 26-27 in the context of 18-32

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

In short the Bible tells you WHO and WHY. Str8 adults TURNED from GOD to gods. They had to be adults and str8 because you believe later they became gay magically because God hated their acts (hmm but they weren’t gay so what act was hated?) Their acts were turning to other gods. 7 billion people today so you want me to believe every Christians that turned to other gods God made gay? Where was Paul back then? Paul was in Corinth not in Rome yet. He wrote Romans while in Corinth. I will soon be going to Corinth to shoot a TV program at the temple ruins of a temple that Paul toured. That temple had over 1000 temple prostitutes and it also had the statue to the unknown god inside. There were orgy room there also. Both Paul and Moses had a problem with Hebrew men going to fertility temple for ritual sex with their male temple prostitutes and joining ritual orgies. Bible lands is full of these temples and they were fertility. The word sodomite means “male temple prostitute” it is in 7 of the 14 verses people like you use to condemn gays.

I recently was in Rome. I actually did a program from inside St Peter’s Basilica and by many ruins of fertility temples. Many of these temples are now Catholic churches. I did a program from the ruins of the “mother of the gods” most popular in Paul’s day.

To the Phoenicians she was Astarte; to the Phrygians,Cybele; to the Babylonians, Ishtar; to the Thracians, Bendis; to the Cretans, Rhea; to the Ephesians, Artemis; to the Canaanites, Atargatis; to the Persians, Anaitis; to the Cappadocians, Ma. But though her names differ, her attributes are the same - she is always the mother who succours and helps, and who bestows fertility.

Can you imagine what orgies are like? Your ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*. There are temple still intact enough that have carving inside and out of every imaginable sex acts twisted together with lots of people. I was recently in Pompeii where I shot a few programs. That city almost was one big sex vacation retreat with brothels everywhere. What you are telling me is that my relationship with my lover (we are finishing our 22^nd year together) is acts like these orgies? How can you being str8 discern rape and hookers is not the same as dating and falling in love then marrying? One str8 co-worker told me once all that was needed was a brown paper sack over the head of any woman and sex would be just go for it. Yet you do not say str8 is sin because you can discern love from ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*. Why can’t you apply what you do with str8 to gays?

5446 phusikos (foo-see-kos'); from 5449; physical", i.e. (by implication) instinctive: KJV-- natural. Compare 5591. 5449 phusis (foo'-sis); from 5453; growth (by germination or expansion), i.e. (by implication) natural production (lineal descent); by extension, a genus or sort; figuratively, native disposition, constitution or usuage: KJV-- ([man-]) kind, nature ([-al]).

Let’s look at nature/natural. Short definition is seed and instinct. This means as Paul’s times use of nature (today nature is not the same as we apply science rendering the word different than how it was used in Paul’s day) A seed can only grow into that which it was designed. Apple tree cannot grow into an orange tree. Applied to humans a str8 man will turn out str8 not gay. This has a built in guarantee called instinct. This means when a boy get that age his body is going to begin to demand loving a girl. Listening to boys when I grew up and they hit dating age their talk was dramatic. Do I need to detail this so you can understand? Gays usually has no clue what it all means for they feel nothing about the opposite sex other than pressure from society and horny peers. Str8 did not need the pressure as their bodies demanded if possible just grab whatever girl walks by. Maybe a bit dramatic here but the point is str8s don’t choose or learn to be str8 they just have lots of support and of course to get what they want they have to abide by dating rules. Gays on the other hand go through a mystery because they don’t get what their peers are going through. In the past nothing to compare to so it may take time to figure out what they are feeling. How can one know they are gay? All you got is the same attractions working but towards the same sex, but you just don’t know because nothing to relate to (today lots of support for gay youth and so most already know about gays and can relate their feelings) but because of instinct born gays no matter what society teaches or pressures at that age they will begin to know they are not the same as their peers. I was pretty sure in Junior high about myself, but it took years in those days before hints that other gays existed. Now of course there are other gays 700 million of them.

Try as you might you will be hard pressed to find ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*. The offense is because you are conditioned to hate gays and think it is vile. (700 years ago a few powerful Catholic invented the antigay doctrine to create scandals to purge people from power).

Now we get to a very very horrible sentence a human could ever speak.

You said: I was just wondering how in any way can someone justify being homosexual with that scripture?

This really is bad. It means you have resigned yourself to condemn without giving any hope and that you closed the books to understanding the verse you used. Truth becomes a lie to you. Your understanding is based on your own frailty about your own sexual orientation. You think love is designed for you and not me. You have redefined love to mean ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)* You see the word gay and you redefine love. If you read verse 28-32 you are telling 700 million gays they are this sort of wicked person. It seems so easy for someone like you to with no conscious say all 700 million gays behave: 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

When each one of these attribute are so completely not gay behaviors. Gays are so opposite these behaviors in real life. But you so easily imagine all gays are this sort of evil. It has been shown if gays were to be fired from the health system that it would collapse. Gays are pillars in family crisis. They are “gatekeepers” in many religions including Christians. Look up this “gatekeeper” term. The list of good deeds is long. Compared to str8s concerning as it were the wild life bars bath houses gang bangs drugs on and on str8 far are more worst. So where do you get: 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; This would mean gays were str8 to begin with and reached adulthood knowing God, then turned from him to gods. So you say God made those str8 gay and let them join ritual orgies so God went further and gave them a reprobate mind so that their public behavior being listed in 29-32 would show them out to all. I beg you tell me where the gays are that are behaving this way.

I be happy to go into detail about any questions you have. I also will be greatly pleased if you actually can back up your mouth about gays. I expect only from you that you will wash your hand of me your way of avoiding presenting how you get gays into a verse or a Bible word. But hey maybe you will take the time to give some meat as to what makes you say ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)* means gays.

How to be Rapture Ready

How to be Rapture Ready

Mainly realize there is a lot to the Bible that is left out or not talked about in sermons. Keep in mind for no reason ever no matter how much proof showing that man over there is Jesus after all he is not Jesus. Jesus will not be on Earth except you were coming with him so you will see his backside not his front-side when he returns. Main thing is not your doctrine, but your faith stays intact that Jesus is the Son of God and God rose him on that 3rd day, that Jesus died on the Cross for your sins. It is simple with few rules. Also know that it is not you that really can get ready. That is why we will have 1260 days of shaking. God so loves you that he is sending TWO messengers to shake the Church. During this time you go through the refiner's fire where 1/3 gets through that Rapture Ready. That 1260th day there would have been at least 3.5 billion people killed so that is a good sign that the Rapture is soon. Also, read what you can about Westcott and Hort. They got the counterfeit Bibles in your hands. All modern versions are satan counterfeits conditioning Christians to accept that man over there.

Why can’t you get yourself ready? When we accept Jesus we are wrapped in a shell. This is like WHEAT hence the parables. MATTHEW 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. These “tares” are not to be pulled out or it would hurt the “wheat”. Generally wheat is not edible in the shell. A process of breaking open the shell then winnowing is needed.

Ancient threshing tool: It's a medium-sized wooden sled with holes where you would put stones to poke through. Have someone stand on it and hold the reins of a moving horse and you have a very effect threshing system. Threshing is cracking open of the wheat nut. You will remember from the Book of Ruth that met Boaz when he slept on the threshing floor after a hard day's work.

Take a look at a wheat grain. It has a crease down one side. That is where the stalk lay by which the grain was attached and fed in the ear of the plant. If it was not that shape, but was round, it would be very easy to mill by grinding off the outer layers of the bran, similar to the process that is used today for the polishing of rice.

Point of these pictures are to show you that it takes a process to remove the outer layer

Then that shell outer layer needs to be blown away leaving the usable wheat. Tares grow amongst the wheat as you can see this picture shows it would be hard to clear them out without damaging the wheat. The protection the wheat shell gives also allows blindness to what is immediately around you. You have many layers God built in which gives this blindness. This protection prevents satan from completely deceiving you over to him. Satan and his people (Masons that trace their roots to the Flood where they set a goal to re-establish the Days of Noah) has 5000 years of experience which no one can pull the wool over his eyes. You would not stand a chance. Yes we through Jesus Christ can make demons tremble. History tells us this happens few times in the past 2000 years. As Christians, facts should mean something so with the Word of God we can discern things. You do not discern things by looking at it and say its bad or good. With modern versions so common now even the Bible is watered down an may not help if you are using one. KJV remains the only Bible from the Received Text. Modern versions are from Westcott and Hort. Is Jesus this helpless? No he is not. There is a reason Israel is in blindness and soon will see whom they pieced. The Church also is in blindness so the plan of God will go forth and show the Glory of God and the nature of sin in its due time. Meanwhile we see through a glass darkly so this means we treat wishes and guesses like fact. This maintains our faith and endurance. It also means we cannot wear the wedding gown. The wedding gown requires you to be out of your shell. Premature outing would expose you to the wiles of the devil to the extent you would perish. Jesus keeps you safe by giving you a protective shell. The nation of Israel disembodied God often and God rose up nations against that. Once Israel came back in line God destroyed those nations he spent much time rising to power. Israel had the LAW and provisions were there to get them back on track. In Christ Jesus are provision is he comes inside to sup with us so we have him always this keeps us in faith secure in that shell. The wiles of the devil are strong and all people won’t accept Jesus.

18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Depending on your reception of Jesus you may perish. It is your choice. Jesus won’t forsake you and No one can take you from Jesus. Only you can choose to turn your back on him. And at some point 2/3 of today’s Christians will turn their backs on Jesus. Jesus has raise up an army of restorers you know not of that will diligently seek to win you back to Christ. This GREAT falling away begins in earnest one the 1^st day of the TRIB.

Rapture Ready comes in stages. 1^st stage is to be aware of the first paragraph on this page. You need to know Bible is not a lie and it is not wrong. That modern versions are conditioning you if you read them. There are no red or blue states only one goal set up antichrist’s kingdom. Most sources have one goal and that is to condition you to accept globalization as the term is today. The Church is directly or indirectly supporting a one world religion that will become worship antichrist. Ancient Astronauts did not give Moses the Torah (1^st 5 books of the Bible). The Universe is far more amazing work of God than you can comprehend. Heaven is not in the Universe. There are physical beings not of Earth, these are not angels or demons. Angels and demons are spiritual being from Heaven not the Universe and soon you will be changed: 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. At that time we see: 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. The TWO Witnesses will tell you things that may be very hard to accept. This will cause the Church to HATE them and want them dead and add their support that will make antichrist the one world dictator.

When your wheat shell breaks open it will feel like Jesus forsook you and the deception looks so real it will not be an easy shift to live by FAITH alone. Today we have faith but we also have a hard wired connection to Jesus. It is understood sort of like hard wired through the Ethernet port to the internet. Soon all of us need to be connected via Wi-Fi to Jesus. We have not configured out settings yet to auto connect and so when the Ethernet port is unplugged were frantically trying to configure our Wi-Fi settings. Being aware these things will comes to pass gets you ready to go Wi-Fi more quickly.

Many will be worshipping and loving the return of Jesus praising him, then suddenly havoc breaks loose and you will ask Jesus WHY. Jesus will say for the sins of past Christians (Church as a whole) I send these things on you. He will add, why are you so concerned your sins are worse. Indeed they are as shown in Lev. 26 the 4^th level of disobedience. 27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; 28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins. The Church today is in this 4^th level of disobedience. The preaching Jesus may come tonight is a false doctrine. The Church is so messed up it would be like NO JUSTICE from our God the is a JUST God. The innocent ones persecuted by the Church gets free ticket to Heaven? Not going to happen. YES individually our sins are forgiven, but this is not going to white wash Church wide sins of 2000 years. Jesus has long suffered waiting for this day that he can release himself to answer those prayers of the innocent ones. The extent of Jesus promises to those suffering will manifest soon. The Tribulation period is not a time that God gets revenge on unbelievers and wipes them out. God so Loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son. So God is doing a major action to round up every possible person for salvation. He will clean up the act of Christians that has taken God’s Glory for themselves. After that 1^st round and the dead rising then the Rapture I is still not about killing unbelievers off. That last 3.5 years is also to round up 500 million to 1 billion people to go into the 1000 year reign of Jesus as King on Earth. We are taught the TRIB is to punish evil and that it does , but mainly it is the last effort to weed out all possible people that can be saved. The GREAT revival comes in the 1^st half of the Trib. Then up to a BILLION chooses Jesus in the Last half.

Six out of seven people will be killed during that seven year period. Great miracles will happen, but such death all around is not a fun time at all. Sided with the joy of the soon return of Jesus is coupled with 6 billion killed in that process. We will get our final lesson about sin before going to live with Jesus for eternity. The ways to be killed it just seems like none of them are simple quick and easy. We hold dear families, satan does not he has permission to rip families apart in horrid ways. Many many many miracles of deliverance but 6 billion is 6 billion killed. Know first you your faith it is your that can keep it. For families it will be hard, no easy way to tell it. Each family member has it the same it is up to them to keep their faith. I would love to know how to console families. History shows us we survive almost as bad. It is in each of us to know Jesus is with us to the end and what we see in pain does not compare to the joy the will come soon enough. If you live or die do it in Christ Jesus. At every turn we now hear about population reduction plans. They make pale what we heard just a few years ago about the coming days.

Rapture Ready is not a Sunday picnic, but becoming READY for eternity with Jesus Christ. You are going to Heaven prepared in your heart cemented forever not to “sin” not because of any law or rule or order or decree but by your choice not. This choice comes because of the Tribulation period. If you die you do not miss this because “Death’s Gate” does the same job.

I just added Google Site Search to my Blog. I have so many postings it may be hard to find what you are looking for so I figured out how to get the site search working. Many postings are great to read but if you don't know they exist how you read and comment on them? Now no matter how old and new the post is it is available to find by any word or phrase like you use any browser to search for a site. Enjoy this new feature.

I found your Web Site by Google”

From: Allan Svensson [mailto:allan-sv@algonet.se]
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 10:07 AM
To: gays4jesus@gays4jesus.com
Subject: Blessed are those who become left

“I found your Web Site by Google”

If you found my site by Google I would not think your email was so generic. With gay in my name what were you searching for in Google? Finding my site by Google has to mean you saw my site so would have known I Have been in the Assemblies of God since Jan. 1974 and have my own weekly TV programs since 1985. You would also know that I am a Last Days TV preacher too. I am glad to hear from you , but I think your aren’t more than a bot and that is a shame that AOG has to revert to bots to snag converts.

Try coming back to me with a real email that would indeed reflect your found my website by Google. However, you gave good blog material I can comment on. For instance you knowing I am gay because you found my website by Google could have used: Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. (KJV). You see in Jesus day Hebrew men there was not any reason they would ever be caught in bed together unless they were gay. This means the verse means two gays were in that bed, one was saved the other not. Also concerning weeds (really TARES) Tares CAN’T be saved as they are not 100% human. Satan planted those: Gen. 6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. The Elite today claim linage to these that came down. Today the Church is in the 4^th level of disobedience: Lev. 26: 14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; 15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant
Please, read 1 Thess. 4:15-17?? Why do you want me to read this? Those verses do not give a date or a season, they just tell you one day that will happen. For info on WHEN you need more reading. PRE-TRIB just is completely WRONG. You got to wish so much and have a very good imagination, but that will not make a Pre-Trib happen. Christians are not dressed for the occasion of the Rapture. It will take 1260 to get 1/3 of TODAY’S Christian in Wedding Gowns. Zec. 8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them. We are talking 3.5 billion are killed during that time, so we will have a hint Jesus is coming soon. Today, it is hard to get a few hundred killed at a time. No hint billions will be killed soon. The Elite want 500 million left alive: http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm Click and you will see in stone that is what they want.

Finally, do a study on Westcott and Hort so you will understand how you got modern versions in your hands. I was so shocked to see Assemblies of God now using the NIV as their main bible. That is scary. 50,000 to 80,000 corruptions depending on the modern version that are designed to take Christ out of Jesus and much more. Tis is so subtle you may believe Christ still is in Jesus in modern versions, that is the deception. You are conditioning yourself to accept that man over there believing him to be Jesus after all.

If you want more info and have question I will be very happy to talk with you on these things. This info is on my website you can find by Google.

This is the original email::

Hi.

I found your Web Site by Google and I wish you the best you can get, the peace of God through Jesus Christ.

Welcome to visit my Site.

Allan Svensson, Sweden

http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/INDEX.HTM

Blessed are those who become left There are those that Jesus shall fetch: "Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and one will be left; two women grinding at the mill, one will be taken and one will be left. Watch therefore, for you don't know in what hour your Lord comes." Matt.

24:40-42. Which are those who will be left? Please, read the parable of the darnel in Matt. 13:24-30, 39-42. First, gather up the darnel weeds, and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barn." "As therefore the darnel weeds are gathered up and burned with fire; so will it be at the end of this age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will gather out of his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling, and those who do iniquity, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be weeping and the gnashing of teeth." 40-42 verses.
These bundles will be gathered before Jesus fetches the Assembly. " First, gather up the darnel weeds, and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barn." Those who are disobedient to the demand of the Lord and are unwilling to leave churches and denominations, the great Babylon, they will be among the weeds, and be taken away before Jesus fetches the Assembly.

Please, read 1 Thess. 4:15-17. "For this we tell you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left to the coming of the Lord, will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with God's trumpet. The dead in Christ will rise first, then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. So we will be with the Lord forever."

Jesus' coming will be in highest degree public

It will be no secret Rapture

http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/BELOVED.HTM#public

In the free churches the world around

there are thousands of preachers

and bible teachers, but none can explain

what the Assembly of God is

http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/EXPLAIN.HTM#thousands

We must humble us before God's word

to understand what the Assembly of God is

http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/SARDIS.HTM#humble

Jesus cannot come today

because the Assembly of God is not ready

http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/TODAY.HTM

I'd want 2 start a gay ministry

Onimsi October 12 at 2:56am

I sent u a mail bou how i'd want 2 start a gays ministry in nigeria. D link u gave me is to complex 4 my fone. I cant go 2 d cafe cos i'd b arrested if im caught browsing any gay related site. So pls kindly send me a mail on how i can go about it 2 ….ng@yahoo.com. God bless

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I am not sure what you mean? It sounds like the internet is not available for fear of being arrested. I would also assume any banner or LOGO or ministry name cannot have words related to gays either. Also I don’t know if you have a building to meet in or your own house to hold meetings?

Logo and material on paper can be changed to not have the word gay openly in it. My LOGOs are easily modified to not have gay in it if need be. You can use these logos. If you want to be associated with me my ministries name is “The Stables Ministries” A stable is where Jesus was born.

You have not said you have others that want to join into a ministry. I don’t want to assume what you are doing. For now it sounds like you are by yourself?

Tell me what you feel about what God is telling you. I can only explain the Bible verses about gays. The Bible does not condemn gays. I can answer many question you might have about the Bible. I can suggest what you should include when you talk to someone to lead them to Christ. I don’t know how much you know about the Bible. You want to minister to gays in a country that still is against gays. Most of your work should be powerful heart felt prayers that God will move in your country. You need to come against spiritual powers of darkness. You need to find gays to tell Jesus’ story to. Jesus is about to return to Earth and about 6 billion people will be killed before he returns. This means it is not going to get better before that.

To start it to tell anyone about Jesus when you have opportunity. Don’t limit it to gays. But also if you know gays tell who you can. If you have some meeting with you like a home Bible study or prayer group then include these things:

1. Always invite them to Jesus (if your know they are Christian already remind them of what Jesus did on the Cross and urge them tell others). Sample prayer to have people you are leading to Christ:
God be merciful to me a sinner! I believe Jesus is your only begotten SON and I believe Jesus Christ died on the Cross for me, that YOU rose him on the 3rd day, and that His Precious Blood will cleanse me from all my sins. By faith I now receive the Lord Jesus Christ into my heart as my Lord and my Savior; trusting Him for the salvation of my soul. Forgive me my sins. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.

2. Always ask them if they want to be baptized in the Holy Spirit. (also if they already are and you know they all are they remind them to pray often as they can in tongues):
Acts 2:1-4 1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. (KJV)

3. Always every time ask them to come forward to be healed by you are anyone laying hands on them:
MARK 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Again, Invite, Baptize, Heal these are the 123s of ministry. Later, as time is available you can “water baptize” them too. Never forget it is Jesus not you doing these miracles.

Secondly, remember 2000 ago Jesus was here on Earth. God said 7000 years till it is done. We just started the 6000^th year. Jesus will reign on Earth for 1000 years. WE in 2010AD are going to see Jesus return. This is wonderful, but it also means 6 billion people will be killed in a 7 year period. Part of your ministry and everyone’s’ should include “Last Days” teaching and preparation. This does not mean store food, find a safe place. It means be ready to listen to God through his TWO Witnesses and others he is sending. This time is to put our Wedding Gown on. We need to be dressed for the Rapture. Right away we will be marrying Jesus. Jesus is not going to wait once the Rapture happens,

YOU can MOVE mountains in Jesus’ Name. Jesus is your best friend and he loves you and will never forsake you. Cry out to him. Tell him what you want. He wants you to tell him. It is YOU and HIM. He is your friend tell him everything. He is not telling you to go out and get arrested or to risk your life. He is with you to reach the LOST.

Available logos and banners that can be modified with your picture and main heart felt call of the Lord. I can modify them with your picture or God given slogan. Let be “Gays For Jesus” worldwide in every country. You can start by adopting the ministries’ name for your outreach.

10-04-10 Wheat Shell Broken Open

10-04-10 Don't Accept Jesus To Miss Hell

10-04-10 Rise And Be Healed

Mid-Trib

Mid-Trib

Easiest term for when the Rapture takes place is Mid-Term. It covers specific issues that is significantly important before Jesus returns. The Church is not even close to being ready so that Christians can be Plucked off Earth. Perry Stone’s program tonight 10/2/10 of a program he did in Israel some time ago he show a device for breaking open wheat and barley. That device in Hebrew sort of sounds like the word tribulation. It was a board with many protractions on the underside so that when placed on the cornel it would break open the shell.

Though Perry strongly believes in Pre-Trib his description and video clip of that board was like a revelation to me of more precise detail for the Mid-Trib Rapture because Christians’ shell needs to be cracked open. Christians have so solidified their shell around their true Christian nature that they can hardly hear what God’s endtime messengers are saying. Should a pre-trib occur Christians would still be in their shell encasement. It simply can’t be that such a suborn lot could remain generally insubordinate to God and still can be grasped by the Rapture pluckers. Really I want to know from those that believe pre-trib how can with no fanfare you go to heaven? Let’s put for the moment we are forgiven aside. Think about the last 2000 years of Christianity. The more info that come up as we get better able to dig out ancient history and report it we find Christians simply just aren’t as decent folk as we assume Christian should be. God showed Israel point blank amazing things. God wiped out invaders, parted the sea, you know the very significant unquestionably events to the people of those days. Why then even as they were led to the Promised land They all had to be killed off and none except Joshua and all the were born on the way went into the Promised land, then on top of that after seeing Jericho fall and those many things after crossing the river, they disobeyed and did not kill every living person and domesticated animal in the land. Going forward no move of God convince them for any length of time to obey. Jesus came, YES, Jesus comes inside us, but we are still the same humans. We still did horrific things for the past 2000 years. Does this go unpunished? Did God change with Jesus on the Cross? Can we still disobey God as a people of God? History tells us a profound yes. TODAY it is not better. Every denomination says the other is wrong. Many have extremely strict rules saying salvation must be maintained. This one says they are right the other says they are right. So who is right? Are you really more right than all other denominations?

You say you have love, but so many say you are full of hate. Are those people liars that say you hate? Why do Christians so often have the term bigot attached to their name? All those calling you that they are wrong. How did they get the concept that you are a bigot? Why do red state say blue states are going to hell and vice versa? How about all those that were persecuted by the CHURCH? I bet all of you know and believe in times past the CHURCH persecuted innocent people. Do you really think the prayers of those innocent ones went unheard? How can you think you can have a pre-trib having no accountability? The pre-trib main verses don’t detail and time as in “miss the trib” The “Wrath of God” is not defined as 7 years, but as 3.5 years. Also as Perry explained tonight about wine press as describe in the Bible about God’s wrath “like a wine press” shows me that God is still trying to get the wine out of the grapes. The ancient wine press did that well. Those people God is not willing to lose will be pressed like wine grapes so that at the end of the last 3.5 years they will be ready to enter the 1000 year period with Jesus as KING. Before that time the wheat will be beaten out of its shell as I said earlier.

A pre-trib Rapture gives not even one minute to break open the wheat shell so that Christians can come out of their shell and be dressed in their wedding gown a requirement for the Rapture. All the living a the dead Christians persecuted by Christians will have a big question for God who promised to answer their prayers. Do really believe somehow magically you are not responsible? Yes your sins are forgiven you. Should you die and huge numbers of you will and if you have kept your faith that Jesus is the ONLY Son of God and God sent him to die on the Cross to pay the price of your sins, then rose him on the 3^rd day you will indeed rise with the dead in Christ even if you did not learn anything about anything about why this thrashing board in pounding you during that time that killed you. You still having faith will rise and meet Jesus in the air before the Rapture and see those still living catching up to you.

The Bible says this thrashing will last 1260 days. Perry could not have described it better though he missed the meaning it has that it will break the shell that surrounds the Christian so they can then dress in their wedding gown. Again and again, there is no free ticket to Heaven, it is work all the way. Not the work of good deeds though you should be having the manifest of good deeds since you are a Christian. Working to earn will gain you nothing, working as a manifestation of your faith is just a result of your walk with Jesus.

Your shock will hit you hard if you are expecting a pre-trib Rapture. If you expect a pre-trib then it will also go hard on you because that thrashing board is designed to break open your wheat shell. This should be easy to understand. The world is so full of info some radical some with much detail and there are FACTS galore about things planned for Christians in the coming days. Jesus is not going to return tonight or anytime very very soon. The Soon return of Jesus was talked about soon after Jesus rose and ever since. TODAY soon is much sooner now but can be until the last one alive that was alive when Israel became a nation. We’re talking as late as 2060ish. There is a monkey wrench in this date. Normally no one can live longer than we make it extreme to cover unknowns 120 yrs old. Science claims to be about to gives us unknown more years. This can extend when Jesus returns. God can and will and did set the date and so our age is not even a factor because we now might be able to extend it and so the “soon” will seem longer. But the point really is Jesus is likely to return way sooner than 2060ad. But critically and usually ignored in dating is the 144,000 and the TWO Witnesses. Again no magic, just fact. They are two people and absolutely they need to meet. Nothing anywhere indicates they have met yet. Not even remotely, no one nowhere at all is even close at saying they seen them somehow someway, though many claim to be them. I strongly suspect they need a couple years together before they tell the rain to stop so starting the TRIB. Yet how often do you hear anyone preaching about these TWO? Do a search, very very rare can you find a site that really deals with the TWO realistically and rarer if at all that they have any sort of life before their ministry. Their ministry is a good part to shake the CHURCH. Elijah is a Name the Bible gives one of those TWO. Probably Moses the other. This does not mean they are the real Moses and Elijah. The TWO were born and are ordinary people and not related to the Bible’s namesake except in symbolism.

Christians you are not ready and you cannot get yourself ready. You are in a shell. Hey God knows what he is doing, it is supposed to be this way. Hard to believe the ancient people of God can so often be so disobedient, but really you are the same. The shell on wheat protects it, so actually you insubordination to God actually formed a shell that protects you from falling away. You so think you are right and a good Christian that you can’t fall that easy because what your disobedience has done created a protective shell, but for wheat to be editable it has to be broken out of its shell and so do you. It will take 1260 to break open that shell during that time you will likely turn your backs on Jesus and help antichrist kill the TWO. Finally broken out of your shell you can see clearly that the rain is gone and that it is your faith that shines so ready to be Plucked off Earth properly clothed in your wedding gown.

How will God use gay in the end times

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Hi John, Donald Foster Donald says, "Hi, my name is Donald I am a Facebook friends affirming apostle; affirming Pentecostal I would like to make you a friend. I am gay but I do have problem with gay marriage thing which I am for / civil union but I can't find the Bible that doesn’t talk for or really against it. I know gays aren't sodomite male temple prostitute. How will God use gay in the end times prophecies. thank a bunches.” Thanks,

This link shows you how to think about finding gays in the Bible http://www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Centurion.html. Greek and Hebrew often thinks of marriage as the main spouse owns the other spouse. Even when you read the word married in the Bible the Husband owns the wife as though she is property and a slave. Marriage is pretty much a business proposition in Bible days. Knowing this tracking gay marriages is easier. http://www.gaychristian101.com/Eunuchs-Are-Gay.html covers a pretty good explanation of how to find gays in the Bible and ancient days, but http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/thesis.htm goes into greater detail. http://www.gaychristian101.com/David-and-Jonathan.html goes into the possible gay relationship. Other books and scholars say the words of Saul can only be he knew David and Jonathon were having sex. Bible phrases like “uncovering nakedness” is describing sex acts: 30 Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he said unto him, Thou son of the perverse rebellious woman, do not I know that thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother's nakedness?

Usually gays being gay can read material and see it talks about gays, while str8 has to think in str8 terms so need to explain it into a meaning that doesn’t hint to being gay. As a gay person reading David’s love story with Jonathan we can relate that this is a love story between two guys. Furthermore reading all David’s sex life we find he really never had a good marriage or really love with women. David had hundreds of wives and concubines. His first marriage was marrying two women who husbands were killed in war helping David fight. This was “YOUR DUTY” law. We see David committed murder sending a woman’s husband to the front lines. You just can’t read in the Bible David really satisfied in a opposite sex relationship. He DID promise Jonathan his faithful love and did keep that promise.

Ruth and Naomi have been shown to be in a lesbian relationship.

Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. (KJV)

In those days one of the most impossible to find is str8 men in the same bed. It was just not done for any reason. Wish as one might try to do to get 2 str8 men in bed together in that 1^st century it just not going to happen. So they would have to be gay. Now if they are gay then one has to be SAVED because open was Raptured. The other was not SAVED so remained. NOW we know many Christians marry unbelievers today and so no matter our prayers or wishes at the Rapture their unbelieving spouse will be in bed with the believing spouse and one will be taken the other remain. (our prayers for our spouses and families may get them SAVED later as the trib continues after we are gone, but they can only stay in the flesh body for another 1000 years before they get a spirit body).

Short version how God will use gays:

1948 one psychologist had gay friends perfectly adapted in life and not sick. They had good jobs and life. Her work was with colleague’s was with gay they were trying to fix as in gay was a disease and mental hospitalization was needed. Finally she realized that did not match the gays she saw and were her friends. She went with the to the gay bars too so saw many gays. She began a study on healthy gays that led in 1974 that gays were declared not a disease then later declared perfectly normal people to where today we have a 60/40 pro/con rate. A boost was in 1967 God moved on Catholic gays, 1968 Protestant gays, and in 1969 secular gays. Secular gays (which included lots of Christian gays too) started the gay rights movement. Christian gays did their homework and produced intensive studies on the Bible wrote tons off books, gone into great detail about Jesus’ and Moses’ day concerning real gays and what the Bible says and the meaning of those Bible words and settings. As you see on any talk show with pro/con on gays the pro-gay side seems to be displaying God’s love while the con-gay (supposed Christian) side seem to offer hopelessness and a non-ending discourse on the evil gays. Those against gays claimed they are Christians and those pro-gay they said were not Christian. Like as in Jesus was a red neck red state Republican thing and Blue states weren’t Christian.

Objectively we see gays always trying to educate with facts and unconditionally accepting all peoples with open arms. This naturally aspect of all gays (sure some bad apples, but those aren’t really easy to find) is to love unconditionally everyone even their persecutors (the homophobes). The gay rights movements that may march on homophobic groups never is intended to destroy anyone, just to confront them saying we are people. Gay rights movements follow the pattern of any rights movement, though many other movements often had some violence caused by the movement, that is rare if not even found in gay rights movements.

Most gays are not so aware of this built in nature they have as reconcilers. All the ground work really is done, gay rights is close at hand hey 60/40 not 40/60 is pretty good. Christian gays have their Christian churches. Gay Christian internet site abound. We are about ready for the next phase from God. But intensely bad times for all Christians needs to get underway where huge numbers begins to turn their backs on Jesus (The Great Falling Away). I go into detail on this on my sites and TV programs. "Gays For Jesus" TV 24/7 http://www.livestream.com/gays4jesus .

All gays by their GOD given nature and Gay Christians having that GOD given nature plus PERSONALLY God’s love through the many gay Christian outreaches and Bible research showing gay is not sin will be ready, I think is ready TODAY should something happen, to go to fallen Christians and help them back to Jesus. This will shock the especially homophobic fallen. They WHY? We so persecuted you and you with open arms tell us Jesus has not left us and wants us back. Gays will mostly all of them will forgive their persecutors openly and lovingly.

Many fallen will return to Christ via the gay witness.

God rose a false region up giving it superpower status from comment by Robert soundman22001@yahoo.com

Robert same rhetoric from yet another factless homophobe

From: Robert [mailto:soundman22001@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:24 PM
To: gaysforjesus647@gmail.com
Subject:

John,

I have to say that I am a bit concerned with some of the things on your Face book page. It seems as if there are some discrepancies in some of the information that you are posting based upon the gospels. I have a very hard time

gays4jesus: Robert like all homophobes thinks reading a verse is enough. Being conditioned to think rape and prostitution and orgies is perfect defining of an orientation so long as it is gays is how you read the Bible. As we will see he uses a few verses but never even attempts to explain what word or phrase made the verse about gays.

He use this part of my post: Robert says: “with this one…”
God has a very specific plan and call for gays in the Last days. I don't talk about it much as it seems to be a never ending effort to reach the Church concerning their condemnation of gays. Today nearing 60% in some polls showing positiveness towards gays even including marriage now it this higher percentage it may be time I can spend effort is present God's call to gays. There is a very detailed progress of the stages God did in getting gays where they are today. It can actually be said that one woman psychologist in the late 40s started it secularly. God first had to get the process started with the direction to get gays off being classified as a disease. That would take 26 years. A few years before that God began to work with gay Christians. 1st Catholics 1967, then protestants 1968. The in 1969 the operating machinery for any type rights movement began for gays "the secular gay rights movement". NOW about 40 years later we are arriving at a 60% positive poll ratings appearing more often. This is the background for what is to come.

Scripturally this is something that is wrong. Jesus and the apostles specifically mention that homosexuality is a sin and that relations between men is something to be abhorred. Where did you get these numbers at? Clearly you have been polling in the wrong areas. Sodom was destroyed for just this kind of thinking.

gays4jesus: Homophobes wants the percentage to be 1% this number can’t even support the ex-gay ministries alone. Small in numbers ex-gays would no doubt need to be cut in half or more to support a 1% figure. Where did I get that number? Like all homophobes they hate facts they hate studying, they hate reading easily available testimonies and profiles that are usually a click away from the gay name they saw and so sent their hatred to. Had Robert taken the time to look at my profile and other gays he would find more links to more details about “how I come up with 10%” The Earth has nearly 7 billion people and in Christianity we say so far 6,000 years has gone by since God created man. Science used millions of years for mankind. This means with especially today having the internet, we can study history and present day. On my sites I explain I began researching way before I accepted Jesus and I started my sites back in the days on no internet in the BBSs days. Before that I lived and breathed reading about ancient times and world history and culture and science facts. When I accepted Jesus the final note was when I told God “if he were truth I would accept him” 30 days later events took me to an alter where I accepted Jesus. Before that I had already seen are read about gay organizations all over the world. You see Robert there is a gay community with a communication system called gay newspapers. They are like any news reporting agency with reporters, you know the routine. Being a gay newspaper they focus on gay news. Again this is a big world and so endless news sources concerning all the countries concerning gays. I can go into detail about that but only wanting to make the point of the huge number of sources to get gay fact worldwide shows even simple math easily makes 10%. As I said I got tons of info on my sites talking about my personal ministry throughout the world. I tell readers that at least one person in every country has seen my TV program. I may have at best guess wish facts calculation and all means in some fashion have at least 1 million people that have contacted me. I am suspecting more because site tracking is getting more sophisticated. Where before it may say 20 hits further tracking show 195 separate views. YouTube was seeming like maybe a couple thousand at best, but the tracker adds the total to be over 50,000 so who knows. For a fact I was in many Christian chat rooms when they first came on line (AOL, YAHOO, Prodigy etc.) Each room then held 50 people and you can go a few to several rooms deep before you start getting less than 50. This was around 1985 and for a few years I (the name gays4jesus) was the only openly gay person in those rooms. This met the moment I went into the room I was attacked by most of the 50 that were in the room. I had several accounts going so I could be in several rooms at the same time. I spent many hours a day (can get habit forming for sure, but with so many people non-stop condemning attacking and asking questions and more I often could not leave as it was exciting that God was using me to minister to so many) it took a few years before other openly gay Christians let alone any other gay person to begin showing up and speaking as a gay person openly. I don’t need to brag, but it is a point I am making about my credentials I literally was the first as there were no other chat rooms on the internet these were it. All other chat rooms of the day was very slow and a process to chat and very few people. It was “gays4jesus” since 1985 and earlier with my 6 line BBS called gays4jesus that confronted daily Christians. So I heard every imaginable way homophobes say gay is sin. NONE and I do mean NONE explain how they get gays in the Bible. At best they quote a verse. I know the Bible and the verse so really what is the point to quote it to me again? I want to know that you know what it means, so I ask over and over again, I plead, I beg, but nothing can get a homophobe to explain a verse. After all my pleading they just re-quote the verse. Often using modern versions (50,000 to 80,000 corruptions).

So personally in all this my worldwide ministry personal contacts with both negative and positive concerning the gay issues I have seen way more than enough to confirm reality 10% gays. Countries I never heard of Islands so tiny never knew existed gays contact me. Deepest darkest Africa, deep in China everywhere with generally the same story concerning how they came to know they were gay. A weird outcome of my name gays4jesus is str8 flock to me for Christian advice, pastors around the world pop up in chat to talk to me, Parents ask me how to raise up junior, dating single str8s want advice. All some weird reason think I can help them because they think God is with me. I am amazed and phrase God how is uses this name he gave me when I had to figure out a very short title for my TV programs as the station had a character generator that could not show small print, after prayer first run was Jesus4gays,, that was a disaster as in chat rooms short cuts are taken and so I was being called Jesus, well I just am not Jesus and have no desire to take Glory from him so I reverse it to gays4jesus. So, as it were I’ve been polling for over 40 years.

1Timothy 1:8-11: “Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and the disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and the profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the glorious gospel of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.”

gays4jesus:
1Timothy 1:8-11 8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. KJV

all modern versions has 50,000 to 80,000 corruptions as they are from Westcott and Hort’s translation which became the Church of England’s official Bible and all modern version comes from. Arsenokoites was used never before Paul by Greeks and 76 times after Paul in the next 14 centuries. Christian writers used the word 56 times including the 2 Paul used. Never were there any hints to the word meaning gays in all that time and uses. Robert how did you make it mean gay? What’s more in the USA the verse was not used to mean gay until a clergy convention in 1850 where the word was discussed. Previous in the USA it was taught MBs would not inherit, they agreed everyone MB’d so Heaven would be empty so they decided together to use gays won’t inherit since no one would feel upset about this group to mean arsenokoites, after all for the previous 600 years there were 12 verses used in the false anti-gay doctrine. In 1946 in the 1^st modern version the 2 Greek words removed and homosexual inserted. In Paul’s day more than 9 Greek words were available to Paul that would today mean gays. Paul sort of invented a word which retained it Hebrew meaning “male temple prostitutes” the other word was specifically referring to expensive call boys (a Paul’s day thing for wealthy Corinthians). There are tons of different ways arsenokoites was taught so tell me how are you right today?

One thing that stands out here in another passage that really makes me think in all of this is 1Corinthians 6:9-11: “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither will the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” But wait..”And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”

gays4jesus: answered in the 1 Tim above.

This means, and assuming you must have some background in biblical studies, that you have changed your ways and have left the sin behind to follow the Lord in all that you do. This does not mean that you have a free pass to continue doing what is wrong in the first place, but that you have truly repented and left that former life behind.

gays4jesus: You should not have to assume my background as I often state my background to homophobes for the purpose of showing how they just assume so much. FACT FACT FACT when a person comes to Christ and accept his work on the Cross they do a visible 180 degree turn from how they were heading before that. This means every human that accepts Jesus will display a behavior able to be seen by others. Sometimes very dramatic changes happen other time some changes takes months or years. One Christian cannot and should never judge this process. You not judge a condition is required which if not visible means you are not saved. There is one condition that shows you are not SAVED and that is not believing Jesus is the Son of God and or rejecting Jesus work on the Cross meaning “John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (KJV)” all else is a daily walk where God who wrote HIS LAWS on that new Christian’s Heart and Jesus who now has a personal relationship with that New Christian is on-going.

Christians so often create sin list and demand them to be obeyed condemning non-obedience as that person is going to hell. COP out is the phrase “free pass to sin” You really need to get with real life and not fantasy what ifs. Christian do not come to Christ just to have license to sin. People come to Jesus to walk with him in a 24/7 relationship from then on. They are not trying to get away with any sin they can. This is so very stupid to have to add into any conversation about God is the stupidity that coming to Jesus that is it that kind of common to sin all the more. I rebuke you for implying anything about any sort of free to sin concept then applying it to those you just don’t like. The word REPENT is so abused it almost makes the word a cuss word unfortunately. Repenting is not whatever you wish to be a sin is stopped. The 180 degree turn people make when they accept Jesus is a huge visible display of repentance. Their 24/7 walk with Jesus is a daily devotion to repentance and a full willingness to change their lives as led by GOD.

Repenting is not when some homophobe say gay is sin so you got to become str8. If you truly believe gay is sin why don’t you explain it, so far every verse you used is not only showing you do not know Bible origins and you are using the corrupt version conditioning yourself to accept anti-christ as more deceptions are brought forth, you never even give anything at all to show that a verse talks about gays. Recently a homophobe told me yes yes Romans 1 is indeed about ritual orgies to other gods, but is still condemns gays because in the orgies there are MEN (plural) with MEN (plural) having sex together even though in Paul’s and Moses’ day it was like 100% of sex to other gods were str8s going to temple prostitutes. Somehow someway they said since men were with men in the orgy it condemn all gays. Even though in the same orgy str8 sex was the main stay somehow this does not mean all str8s. We have temples with wall to wall carvings inside and out of sex acts of all kinds depicted in the ritual worship. It is almost all str8 acts. How ever can any one mistake these ritual orgies as a way to condemn gays? REAL gays are in the usual meet date love marry and as a couple not an orgy group. I have been with my lover for 21 years. Gay bar scene is a drop in the bucket as most gays don’t go to bars many may as in their youth looking for a partner just like str8 do once found someone they disappear. I do not speak this as a wish but t by an 8 yr study on the gay bar scene. The gay bar scene is really not a lot different than the str8 bar scene. Most str8s and most gays again don’t go to bars. I also spent around 10 years in the gay church community. Yet in all this my life is deep in the center of str8 life all around and gay fit right in almost never known to be gay and so are in complete confidence of the str8s, Even when str8s knows someone is gay they still act their str8 life out so gays knows gay life and str8 life. This I am saying is not a hint to the fertility sex Paul and Moses had to deal with amongst Christian men and men of God in those days. These to famous Bible characters spent a lot of their life deal with str8 Hebrew men going to the fertility temples for ritual sex. In those very ancient days were real gays and there were terms used to talk about them. It requires what homophobe refuse to do “study” but it is not that hard to find gays in those days and they had nothing to do with the subject Paul and Moses were addressing. Mostly they were a non-issue and it was no biggy in those days.

Leviticus 18 talks about unlawful sexual relations dealing with married and unmarried, coveting your neighbors wife, daughter in law and in verse 22 it says this….”You shall not lie with a male, as with a woman; for it is an abomination.” This is something that has to be paid attention to. Moses passed this on to the Israelites and it is also passed onto us if we believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God.

gays4jesus: http://s91536390.onlinehome.us/gaysforjesus/HebrewGrammer.htm I am sure like most homophobes you will refuse to go to this link. However, "v'es zaachaar lo tishkav mishk'vey ishaw to'eyvaa hi." Your mentioned verse the word man means “practicing str8 man” English renders it “man” Hebrew is not English and has more than one word for man. The verse means str8 Hebrew men often went to fertility temples along to way to the Promise Land for ritual sex with the “male temple prostitutes” This was acts done to other gods (abomination) because God’s people were like a wife so it is an adulteress act to go to these other gods (womankind: adulteress woman). In ch. 20:13 the death penalty is given. This is not a wishy washy the law should execute them after a court decision of guilt. Hebrew LAW was very distinct on how to kill and who would kill. Those that brought the charge were required to STONE to death the one they accused. History never shows anyone killing gays based on this verse, lots of gays killed Hitler gassed 50,000, but none based on your verse. If you believe like you said and you believe Lev. Then why are you disobeying God and not stoning to death gays?

The final thought I wish to leave you is this from Revelation 21 in talking about the New Jerusalem. Verse 22-27 focusing on 27: “And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.

gays4jesus: I am a last Days TV preacher, I go into deep details concerning the endtimes are you opening up a can of worms trying to show me you think you know something?

And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the Glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. By its light the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, and its gates will never be shut by day, and there will be no night there. They will bring into it the glory and honor of the nations. But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.”

gays4jesus: ahh you are a judge after all, instead of explaining how you get gays in the verses you used you go into not only killing gays but killing them eternally by you forbidding them into the Kingdom.

I am not judging you in this situation, that is the duty of God and Christ Jesus.

gays4jesus: you are judging, stating you are not is a lie. You have not shown how you get gays to be sin, you showed str8s going to fertility gods and this is your way of condemning all gays to hell with out hope in God.

I am merely pointing this out to you where from the the posts on your page bring the false testimony of our Lord and Savior Jesus. For your background I am a pastor as well and have been now for 11 years.

gays4jesus: My calling is to pastors I urge you to consider that. I am not wishing or guessing this calling I am called. This is not a fly by night statement but I would suggest to you that you treat me like your own pastor for that is my call. If you reject this you are rejecting your pastor. I am not interested if you believe or don’t believe that I am your pastor. What will happen will happen according to my calling given by God and it is not something I would think you would like. If you check out my ministry’s theme you might get an idea what I am saying. Not sure what your read in my badge all it says in my TV program’s name “Gays For Jesus”

You being a pastor for 11 years hmmm you are just a young puppy you better start resecting your elders. My Pastor’s pastor call came in 1974 my ministry as Gays For Jesus began in 1985, my TV programs also began in 1985. I am Assemblies of God since 1974. My statement of faith is exactly AOG’s I been to many many churches as a secular job requirement. This means for around 10 years I was required to take groups of 20 to Sunday school and church services and many churches. What happens when the pastors comes over to me they sense Jesus and tell me so and they confide in me and tell me al they see in me is Jesus. In my home church the pastor often confides in me, though there were 3000 in the church besides his board and staff any things that touches him deeply about concerns on how his church is going he talks to me. This is history. I can go into many such stories of those that seem to only see Jesus in me, now those that saw me on TV and that my screen name gays4jesus and reacted homophobically I have many a strange story and many stories about what happened concerning their ministry. Prophetically homophobic pastors are in for a shock. But also I got plenty to say about pastors no matter how ill prepared they are for the coming days. You should listen to me it will get you a head start to me better able to handle what will come to your church in those days. Don’t listen to me won’t stop what will happen and so you will have to adjust by experiencing it. A gay is sin doctrine won’t hack it in those days, you will quickly find that out.

Numbers of situations matter not.

gays4jesus: numbers of situations matters not? What a cop out. Why do we need to stay in school to 12^th grade. Why do athletes need to practice and practice? Heads of companies are not there by magic but much trial and errors. Why do we need to read and re-read and read again the Bible? You are telling 11 years of your pastorship is meaningless? You don’t mean a thing, you never changed certain things because you found a better way of correct errors you found you had? I certain hope I get a doctor that did many many operations before he did me. Hope he had all the various problems instead of me being the Ginny pig. So you are telling me 800,000 homophobe won’t tell me everything possible that a homophobe can come up with. You are telling me 3 hours talking with Mossad (Hebrew: המוסד‎, Arabic: الموساد‎), meaning "institute" or "institution" in Hebrew, known in full as the Institute for Intelligence and Special Operations or talking with senator about last days was useless. They came to me I did not go to them. How about situation where first handers came to me with what they saw and what they did regarding secret things. Guess situations are useless for anyone that talks about things regarding their topics. But hey homophobes can’t accept Jesus loves gays and shows them things. Beyond all my personal situations I have nightly visions for God about the coming days. I have over 200 Assemblies of God pastors that called me up so they could prophesy over me. I suppose they were false prophets right? Such a cop out to toss out someone’s 64 years of life because that would me maybe they have something important to tell you that might change you false doctrine on gays.

What I have or have not done is something between myself and God and I feel that as a human I have done my best to walk the walk that Jesus has commanded us to walk.

gays4jesus: So why them can’t you accept a gay Christian personal walk with the Lord and they are doing like you their best? Your interpretation is yours, there are 7 billion today some say at least when there were 5 billion that all that ever live is equal to the number alive today. Polls say anywhere up to 1/3 or more in the world are Christian. Who’s interpretation is right? Yours? Or should we study or don’t need to get real involved in some issues that really is not a big part of your life. Well gays are a huge part of people’s lives. 700 million gays makes 1.4 billion parents then add siblings and co-workers and friends and the number your condemnation soars. So y really need to know your topic more than a modern version Bible quote of a verse.

We as Christians are to help keep each other accountable and we are also told to stand for truth. With that I have said my peace and feel that the spirit has led me to this decision.

gays4jesus: we are not Gestapo we are to comfort one another not police one another. What is it with you don’t trust Jesus? Why don’t you go police str8 guys. Didn’t you see that CNN woman reporter recently she did a story on Craig’s list. She place an ad within in 3 hours she had 15 phones calls str8 men want to pay her for sex. The military has monthly training on hookers how to look at their doctor’s book, the color of the type if one color don’t have sex it means she has a std. They teach clean up after sex with a hooker and more. We pay taxes to teach soldiers since they will go to hookers the safest way to do it. In my hooch there were 16 guys one married a couple with fiancée and they shacked up with a prostitute they met. The other knew the prices of the key places of hookers with doctor’s exam books. We can get deep in the Rape a gang bangs and much more. Yet you as pastor will talk about gays? Don’t you have a clue about rampant str8 sex sin? Hardly mentioned are the famous sports figure that boast of 2000 sexual female partners. In the work place it is sex sex sex by str8, not much they seem to be able to talk about it seems sometimes but for you you want to go into the bedroom of gay couples that are faithful and monogamous. WHY? If the spirit led you to the decision about saying your peace then back it up in the Bible. I believe you are right you said enough led by the Spirit so as you can hear what I have to say Pastor. Maybe God is telling you to take up my challenge. http://s91536390.onlinehome.us/gaysforjesus/challenge.htm at this link I give my challenge. Invite me to speak. You and your church use and preach and call on God to do all you know how in Christ Jesus to do, cast out demon and whatever taking as long as youo need even fasting and prayer if you think it is a demon requiring such. Then it will be my turn I will make it very very fair It will be JUST me and just your whole church which you can invite other church to come join in my challenge. Lets see if God will move on your behalf that gay is sin or my behalf that gay is not sin. Remember I am cheating I already know God will move on gay IS NOT sin. You know your “situation” thing.

Just for your reference, I have been involved with many who are former gays that have given their lives to Christ, not by beating them into submission but by loving on them as Christ would and pointing out the same things I have to you. I am not trying to be a savior but a servant. The one quote I put from your page is just but one thing that I find offensive to our Lord Jesus and I am sure that when the time comes you will know what his thoughts are as well.

gays4jesus: You still think I am stupid, you are not very respectful at all, you just assume I must be so ignorant. I am also an expert in the ex-gay movement. First example it the first major movement of ex-gays in early 1970s called Exodus International. From whence comes ex-movement as we know it today. Here is the link of the founder of Exodus http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=166704399994&ref=search His story reads like most ex-gay leaders and founders. I have personally talked with many, many have found my site and tell me they are no longer ex-gay. Many others that I wrote long letters to and some are on my web page still decades ago today are expressing a total different view of gays. Exodus International is even seeing signs of not able to maintain operations. I got detailed testimonies of over 100 ex-gay leaders. Anytime an ex-gay come to me telling me they change it takes at most 4 questions to find out they have not changes. They usually admit they are still struggling. As a rule ex-gays last 1 to 2 years some cases longer sort of depend on the dependence they got into of the groups they joined. Ex-gay leaders and founders last up to 8 yrs again depending on the wide spread publicity they might have. Today ex-gay ministries have been operating from experience of failures and have tried various designs to keep leaders longer. In ex-gay leader private circles they talk like they are gay secretly so really living a lie publicly. Ex-gay can go into 20 30 years in a married life before it all they can take and they do things that get them caught.

When you say former gays and given their lives to Christ you imply being gay mean not giving your life to Christ. With so many gay churches (meaning born again, or otherwise as any denomination as they remain in the mainline denomination it is not some sort of satan church as you may wish) Gay Christian are not fly by night flaky Christians. Remember they have to live in a world where pastors like you condemn them. They are persecuted by you. Like Christian in history and many places in the world today Christian often had to adjust to the life around them. Gay Christians have to weed through your hate and dig harder for the truth than you ever thought was a concept.

You will find many many things in the future before Jesus returns that will seem offensive to you so much so as you may join the great falling away. The Great falling away is not you seeing some of your congregation leaving. It is because sign in great deceptions seem to say that man over there is Jesus after all. You might not be able to accept what God coming messenger are going to tell you. The more you hear them speak the more you will think about turning your back on Jesus. This is the GREAT falling away. This is what cause huge numbers to turn their backs on Jesus. Thinking you will survive is being blind to the intent of Both God and satan. Satan has a 5000 year plan and preparation period, we are at the in the last 10 or 20 years of this. The extent of the details of the plans for Christians of today is immense. satan did not make these goals for a sudden new batch of revival Christians. People born again in those days came by way of the new messengers sent by God they are not going to fall prey so easy to satan’s wiles. But old timers meaning today’s Christians so full on sermons thinking they know it all that is his target and he knows how and he has God’s permission. God set a time to shake the Church a 1260 period. It is that time that Christians gets their Wedding Gowns on. They don’t fit Christians are so fat and so lazy it will take 1260 days of dieting and exercise to be able to wear their Wedding Gown. This time is the fulfillment of Lev. 26 the 4^th level of disobedience. 1/3 will come through the refiner’s fire. For the Rapture to be able to Pluck you off Earth it needs you to be wearing your Wedding Gown a requirement because the very first thing we are going to do after meeting Jesus in the air is marry him. We need to be ready and dressed for the occasion. Those that aren’t will not be Raptured. If you die first you get your fitting at Death’s gate like all the other will that died in Christ.

You are beating gay using the Bible as a club. In 1967 God began moving in gay Christians training them for ministry in the Last days. You have no clue because you don’t know anything about what God is doing in the gay community. You soon will and I really can imagine you will be ready for it.

You can do with this what you want. I myself will move on as I have said what I have been led to say.

gays4jesus: I am sorry, but you can’t just move on. Did you forget you came to “gays4jesus” I did not go to you. You are under the anointing of this ministry. I don’t have to do a thing because it is not me but God. From this day forward saith the Lord life as you know it will begin to change and will bring you back to this issue until you begin to truly study. Events probably won’t be really that fun for you and yours. Words and reasoning can’t touch your heart sadly the Bible tells us plagues and other disasters is God’s preferred method of spanking his people. The Church as a whole will be shaken. God raises up superpowers to spank his people then destroys those countries he spent so long rising up. The Church in in 4^th level disobedience. God rose a false region up giving it superpower status. God spent since what 600ad rising up this religion that today is sweeping the world. They believe their religion must be the only religion in the world and any means to get it is godly. But once it has done its job God will destroy in an instance. 5/6 of its army will be destroyed at one moment. No power become strong unless God rises it. Islam can be getting strong on its own. God is raising up Islam to spank Christians. Don’t get me wrong Islam is the visible source not the powerhead. They take orders they don’t decide actions. But by you contacting me and saying your hatred of gays, you initiate a personal move to change your life as you know it. Hopefully you will remember this and come back to testify what happen to you. It is kind of cool to hear of lives changed by God.