Heaven's Way Ministries condemns gays

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From: heavens_way_ministry@yahoo.com [mailto:heavens_way_ministry@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:25 PM
To: gays4jesus@gays4jesus.com
Subject: Volusion Live Chat - when you were offline

u sir have a reprobate mind .. just like ray boltz .. people whom think you can be a christian and live as a gay person are truly deceived. a read how GOD created male female .. .GE:1:27.and the purpose.ge:1:28

also read le;20:13 Le:18:22 1co:6:9

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MY RESPONSE

Did you know the ancient fertility goddess had many names?

“The religions which developed these ideas were all based on a maternal figure, found under different names throughout a great part of the Near East.

To the Phoenicians she was Astarte; to the Phrygians, Cybele; to the Babylonians, Ishtar; to the Thracians, Bendis; to the Cretans, Rhea; to the Ephesians, Artemis; to the Canaanites, Atargatis; to the Persians, Anaitis; to the Cappadocians, Ma. But though her names differ, her attributes are the same - she is always the mother who succours and helps, and who bestows fertility.

I did not know who Ray Boltz was so as I ask everyone that talk to me on these issues study to know what you are talking about:

A MESSAGE FROM RAY

A few years ago, I made the decision to retire from contemporary Christian music. I had won awards, performed in front of thousands of people, and sold millions of records. Still, I believed that if people knew who I really was, I would never be accepted. During the last few years, I have learned that there are many people who feel the same way I did. One church in particular has helped me in many ways. The Metropolitan Community Church (www.mccchurch.org) was started forty years ago by Rev. Troy Perry in the Los Angeles area and has an outreach to the LGTB (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender) community. I am happy to announce that I have accepted an invitation to perform at two of their churches. On September 14th, I will be singing at the Jesus Metropolitan Community Church (www.jesusmcc.org) in Indianapolis at 6:00p.m. On September 21st, I'll be singing at the Metropolitan Community Church of Washington, D.C. (www.mccdc.com) at 3:00p.m.

What does , reprobate mean?

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; (KJV)

96 adokimos (ad-ok'-ee-mos); from 1 (as a negative particle) and 1384; unapproved, i.e. rejected; by implication, worthless (literally or morally): KJV-- castaway, rejected, reprobate.

So, Ray Boltz who performed in front of thousands of people, and sold millions of records, is reprobate? I wonder how a person is reprobate when they have been so popular and was such a hit amongst Christian? Just because one day he stood up to tell the world, he is gay instantaneously reprobate.

Heavens Way could have at least given some background on what made a famous person well accepted by Christians to be reprobate. Ray went onto to continue his God given talents to the gay Christian community.

Also, Heaven’s Way says I am reprobate though I am the longest running TV program on an entire TV station (24 years every week preaching). I in very short period advanced to manager of a very large retail store. Many occasions God raised me to high responsibilities. So, how can a Christian place the term reprobate on gays? FACT is in a case example couple decades ago in Washington State Oregon Christians tried to get a law to be voted on to take gay rights away from Washington. This group wanted to place gays in a grouping with sex with animals. The only way they could do this was also add all the minority groups in as well, like various cultures from foreign countries. Generally, if you were a str8 white person you would have rights everyone else looses rights. Research on that law showed that if passed it would require all gays to be fired from government jobs immediately. Also anyone not reporting a gay person so they could be fired would also be fired. It showed that the health care system would collapse as well as many areas that is design for human care and compassion. My point here is there are 650 million gays in the world and so plenty to see if reprobate is applicable.

I know those that think gay is sin only see the word GAY and this convinces them that the definition of GAY is just another word for sin and reprobateness. There simply is no way to get a person that thinks gay is sin to explain how they come up with this. It would be such a wonder if such a Christian would supply facts, but that is a fantasy wish.

Deceived?

Deceived is a very strange word to come out of Christian that think gay is sin. So much history on the evolution of this false doctrine “gay is sin”. It has a specific beginning. A little over 700 years ago a few powerful Catholic leaders wanted a way to purge a person from power that did not have the same ideals as they did. They needed a scandal. So, they gathered together 12 verses that implied some sort of same sex sex and since they were the teachers and no Christian can defy the Vatican it was easy to convince the Catholic world gay is sin and begin to purge people from power. This often failed because their enemies also used that doctrine on them.

It took 100 years to fully be adopted by Protestants. Then when a group of puritans headed for America because Christian in Europe persecuted them they brought with them a most heinous version of the anti-gay doctrine. Later American Christians also hated these puritans even though they still love to say American was founded in Christianity, though it was the puritans which now they disagree with on many accounts of doctrine so much so they are no more than a Christian cult. It is these Puritan that so conditioned all Americans to this heinous attack on the gay community and blinded them from researching history and studying and hearing testimonies of gays.

Who is deceived?
Arsenokoites Occurs Only 76 Times In Extant Greek Manuscripts In The First 2100 Years Of Greek History

It would be nice if Christians that think gay is sin can go to historical documents and produce this word to be a word that is about real gays in a loving caring long term relationships str8s would call marriage if it were a man and a woman. Jesus spoke words and these also are history that cannot be changed. That is what is good about history it is a done deal and so anyone can study it. Covering it up demand it to be uncovered. We know so much more about real history than just a short time ago. We also know great details about events that previously were just a short paragraph in school.

“Born Eunuch” is a phrase that is extremely significant. Studies into 10s of 1000s of ancient document around Jesus’ day that have a very very strict criteria to discover real gays in Jesus day find “Born Eunuch” means equivalent to gays we know today. Meaning the attraction like str8 have to opposite sex they have towards same sex. This is not the universal sexual immorality str8 recognize so easily in the str8 community like adultery, rape, gang rape, prostitutions and many other abuses. Sexual immorality is a human thing not an orientation thing. If you are human, you could commit and probably will or have committed sexual immorality. An orientation is based in the pursuit of love and marriage and the requirement of this term marriage is not reflective of one’s wishes. It is easy to understand what is involved in marriage. Meeting someone, dating them, falling in love with them, then marrying them. These steps often get nasty and hard and painful, but this does not stop its pursuit. Most str8s go through a number of partners before finding one to settle down with and even these often (60%) fail. Yet it still seems very easy for str8s to recognize the short comings of dating and marrying, but maintain generally it is right in God’s site and the bumps along the way are just that. WHY then does this change with gays? Why do Christians so often merge all sex acts into one act and call it an orientation? Gang Rape, Male temple prostitutes, expensive call boys (often str8 men are at least the clients of these prostitutes by fact of history’s documentations) be made the same as a marriage relationship?

If you say gay is in the Bible (and it is, just not in the verses used to condemn gays) then also produce facts. Bring forth your research and study or others that have done this so that gays and str8s can see real facts and real correct translations of ancient Bible words. Part of the problem is also built into modern versions. This is a serious deception to most Christian whether gay or str8. Modern version has history going back to Westcott and Hort then back to the 2^nd century. These bibles are so deceptive I call them satan counterfeit bibles.

GE:1:27.and the purpose.ge:1:28

These verses are part of this 700 yr old false doctrine I talked about above. And as usual Homophobes just can’t bring themselves to explain how they get gays into the verses.

Gen 1:27-28 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. (KJV)

This is a complete cop out because it does not condemn gays and does not mention a million other issues in the world that would have to be addressed because they would also have to be sin because they were not mentioned either. What’s more:

Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. KJV)

This Hebrew word RIB has some very important consequences in translating it to a most accurate modern day word we can understand as to the extent of its meaning. The best word today for it is CELL FROM THAT RIB. This means for all intensive purposes Steve was indeed in the DNA and this is not an area of guessing or wishing but FACT.

also read le;20:13 Le:18:22 1co:6:9

These verses again are in the 14 verses anti-gay doctrine. 1 Cor 6:9 was added in 1850 at a clergy convention because prior to this date it was taught masturbators would not inherit and they 100% every human commits this act so heaven would be empty. In 1946, the two Greek words were removed in modern version Bible and inserted was a word that was not in the Bible and though Paul did have as many as 9 Greek words to describe gays Paul used the word for male temple prostitute. Paul walked the streets in both Corinth and Rome and saw a fertility temple on every corner, which all had their fertility male temple prostitutes that their clients were most likely str8 men. Again the main Greek word is documented only 76 times in 2100 years and none of these documents show any sign or hint to real gays.

Both Leviticus accounts require study to learn meaning. Moses was leading the Hebrew people to the Promised Land. During those 40 years Hebrew men are known to have stopped off often at fertility temple along the way for ritual sex with their sacred male prostitutes.

The word man in Hebrew is significant. Many words both in Greek and Hebrew have a few words where as English has one word for all meanings. Example everyone knows is LOVE. Greek has up to 5 words English requires additional words to explain the one word we have.

The word man that was used in both Leviticus accounts means “practicing str8 man” meaning nearly 100% of one side of the sex acts were done by married Hebrew men. (Believing they would receive blessing for their family and greed). Abomination in every use in the Bible both Greek and Hebrew again are very specific and had to include acts that was part of the process of worshipping other gods and goddesses. There is no leeway to input additional meanings like it was just a disgusted hated thing. Now one verse in the Bible uses a form of the word abomination that actually does mean disgusted hated thing, but this was used to describe eating foods sanctified to other gods.

The womankind word I s define upfront as first an adulterous woman, this is in line with God is a Jealous God and so going after other gods is adultery as you belong to God. God often describes his people’s relationship to him as a marriage.

The second man in these chapters is the sodomite (sacred male temple prostitute). This is so easy to see without going very deep into research. Paul visited a temple in fact the most famous in Corinth. It had over 1000 temple prostitutes and it also had that statue to the unknown god Paul used in a later book.

Homophobes have one thing in common they want gays to read their verses as though the implication that gay is sin is some sort of magical fact and reading would magically convince a gay person to be str8. However, like in Romans 1:18-32 to a gay person this is so disgusting that any human could possibly think and say those acts describe gays. They just do not even remotely describe gays. The common thread of homophobes is to call gays gang rapists and male temple prostitutes and engaging in mad wild orgies.

People take time to think through your thoughts before you speak them. If you think gay is sin and you have no doubt give us your confidence by showing what made you so sure you are right. To date over 800,000 homophobes has responded to me is some fashion. I have yet not been able to get even one of them, not the most Bible educated to the lay Christian picking up the Bible for the first time to explain how they get sodomite to mean gay or that gang rape is a great way the Bible condemn gays. It is always an assumed deal for homophobes that requires no explanation more than God hates it, it’s in the Bible, or here is the verse read it so simple.

Past this, they want to tell me part A goes in part B as though they are experts in biology. 650 million gays in the world and they want somehow this happened because we somehow chose to sin. That in the deepest farthest places on Earth from modern conviences people somehow magically chose to be attracted to same sex. Jesus love gays and is not asking them to change and more than this He got big plans for the Church concerning gays which homophobes don’t have a clue because they can’t get past their hatred to see the love God will be showing them through gays.

Modern versions verses KJV Bibles

My reply to some concerned about what Bible is correct:

From: Allan In Washington State [mailto:simba601@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:54 AM
To: gays4jesus@gays4jesus.com
Subject: BIBLE

I find it interesting you say the KJV of the Bible is the only correct Bible to be used.

Interesting? It actually makes complete sense that satan would counterfeit God’s word. And it makes complete sense that God would keep confusion down to a minimum by having one solid Bible version

We know it is a translation... Have you looked through the American Standard for the Old testiment and the Worrell for the New Testiment?

Knowing KJV is a translation is a no brainer. There is no original and the original was in Hebrew and Greek and bit of another language. Therefore, anything to do with the Bible will be a translation.

American Standard is a satan counterfeit and also what ever this Worrell you speak of and so looking through them cannot present anything other than a designed deception.

Do you speak Hebrew or Greek, are you able to read either?

Today and for some decades, but especially since the internet became widely used, knowing Greek or Hebrew is no longer a requirement for studying. There just are too many highly educated language experts available to know exacting meaning of ancient words and phrases. Customs and history is so well documented and at everyone’s finger tips that having a degree also is no longer a requirement to gain expertise on the Bible.

Just wondering before any topic is approached.  Nice to know the foundation of faith.

My foundation in faith covers 36 years in the Assemblies of God, 24 years preaching weekly on TV in three states, and a lifelong quest for truth. I love Jesus dearly and have a very close walk with him. When I accepted Jesus being gay I immediately sought facts concerning gays and the Bible, meaning I nearly lived in Christian book stores reading everything I could about just about everything. Plus, spent so much time in libraries and since the internet have covered so many topics that it would be hard to find something I cannot talk about from some sort of personal research I’ve done.

I do not say lightly that the KJV is the only version that can be called the word of God. My screen name in chat programs “gays4jesus” attracts considerable numbers of all sorts of people from highest level of government to secret services to all manner of other religions and all walks of life. This is just the tip of the iceberg of my experiences with people in the know. All this does not touch my personal walk with Jesus and his confirmation and bringing to me the above so that I can speak with authority on many topics. I am not trying to brag, but I want to make a point that there is tons of background to anything I speak about on TV or on my websites or in person or chatting.

Modern versions were useless pre-Israel becoming a nation. Modern version would be fantastic insight to leaning about God and so at death faith would be retained. Satan has no interests in getting people to Heaven. For his counterfeit Bibles to be effective it has to be in the generation that won’t pass away before Jesus returns. Modern versions are long term conditioning devices that operate subtly. Counterfeits needs to appear as real as is possible. Never is such a massive project of satan with permission from God possible in a few decades or centuries. Satan works thousands of years on projects that will be good only for a few short years.

Modern versions were 100% complete in the second century where it covered just about all of the real thing manuscripts. It was translated to Latin Vulgate and straight way hidden, lost or otherwise not used until the 15^th century when it was found, uncovered, released to the Vatican. The Boss of the Pope (Elite Masons for short) ordered it to become the official Catholic Bible. In the 1880s Westcott and Hort translated it to a strange form of Greek then back to English where it became the official Church of England’s Bible where all modern versions comes from. Modern versions have 50,000 to 80,000 corruptions designed to take Christ out of Jesus generally ineffective until certain great deceptions become seen. Some minor ones already are working in concert with modern versions already. Ready over and over again modern versions conditions your brain so that at the time of other deceptions you will go back to modern version confirming basically that man over there is Jesus after all (antichrist).

Now at the same century exact copies of the originals were translated to Latin Vulgate (RECEIVED TEXT). This was in continued use up to King James decision to authorize the KJV. Several versions of the Rec’d Text were in use and or was used even in English. So there were times that one could have choices of Good Bibles. Problem was too expensive to own and so only wealthy or Church leaders could have a read to others or preach from. KJV had 400 or so mistakes in spelling and a few corruptions in meanings. Within 29 some years most of these were corrected. Later the Font was changed which rendered it readable to today’s English readers.

Because in King James’ days printing presses were in use it was mass-produced and for the first time affordable to most people. This created a decline in other Rec’d Text versions of the day until finally only the KJV was the only readily available version to common folk.

England wanted to revise the KJV to modern English, but Westcott and Hort with their influence evilly actually snuck their version in. These two men hated the KJV with a passion. They also hated what we would call true believers today. It was super modern times in their day, Science increased leaps and bound and most college student thought the KJV was obsolete concerning science facts. The time was ripe for this new version taking so much of the depth of the Word of God out of the Bible.

These two men were not wonderful Christian men just wanting to enrich Christian understanding and knowledge. They had goals and another accomplishment they did was to create the Ghost Club. They were occultists as well and Ghost Club membership was a requirement as it is today for those wanting to join the World Elite rulers that will be controlling the world in antichrist kingdom.

Modern version should make your guts feel so defiled that it would take some time to get over the fool satan took you for and he easily got you to accept modern version as just a different view point of the same material and so a good addition to your Word of God input. I was also so taken in, though I always loved the KJV which I read so many times and was the only Bible I read after accepting Jesus till the NIV came out. I accepted the explanation that all modern versions were simply another angle and all have very very minor corruptions that would not affect meaningfully any chapter of the Bible. I often gave NIVs to those that accepted Jesus through my ministry. It still bothers me a lot remembering I gave those Bibles out and have to trust God to work it out for them.

I have not seen any information to date that supersedes the FACTS that all modern versions are satan counterfeits. The translators of modern versions of course want to say they used the most original forms they could to get to the most accurate Bibles. This simply is not true. A move to discredit the KJV has been underway for decades and especially in the 90s. What more awesome is the facts that turn up to show King James was not of a mostly well known transvestite, but a practicing gay man. This alone has caused many pastors to ban KJV just on that account only.

It is amazing that the only Bible that can be called the Word of God was authorized by a gay man. It almost wipes in the face of those that think gay is sin that God chose King James to give the world the only book Christians should be reading as the Word of God. How hard will it be in the coming days for these Christian to stay faithful till Christ returns if they reject the KJV? Most mock at this idea, but satan is a counterfeiter and counterfeits everything God so why should it be so hard to think he counterfeited the Bible for impact in the Last Days and that why should it be so difficult to see the KJV that has had such an impact on Christianity for centuries to be the Bible God set to represent him when he returns.

John

IDEAS

I am looking for ideas that make a difference and lead to changes and leaps. Jesus is going to return soon and many are not ready, but think they are ready. Even you may think you are ready and even I may think I am ready.

Basics for readiness is simple enough accept Jesus and tell others as comes up.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (KJV)

We have 2000 years of Christianity and uncountable denominations and offshoots from them, besides those claiming to be independent or non-denominational. We now have arrived at 2008 AD and many claims Jesus will return soon. We have many standard formats of worship within the bounds of Bible oriented churches and organizations that believe the main basic catch all verse.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (KJV)

So does this mean this is all there is? Aren’t we supposedly about to see things that come just before Jesus return? Do we just continue maybe with more emotion or energies our same formats? Do we still go forth having a singing/entertainment, announcements, alter call, sermon, and foyer gathering to chit chat before going to breakfast restaurant afterwards? Or is there more?

I want to brain storm readers for ideas about “WHAT NOW”.

Say you want to preach but have no way to get started in the conventional processes. Like Bible schools then get listed to get interview to be a pastor. Fund yourself a building and pay for ads to gather crowds and hype up your message to get people excited to come. Stand on a street corner preaching doom and gloom. Sit in a park wearing Christian paraphernalia hoping people will gather ground to hear you. Make website that might magically get a million hits like you heard on CNN that moments after this person put it on line they got a million hits.

Well maybe many of you tried this. And all you are doing is growing old and spent lots of time faithfully doing your best. So I am asking any of you, all of you, to give your ideas on how to reach the lost for Christ.

John 4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? Behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest. (KJV)

Let me hear from you at the end you can click on the link below to comment.

Some of you have experience, money, talents, and other knowhow. Let’s get the harvest in! Some people have the message dying to preach it, but are flat out stupid as to how to get a crowd together, or how to substantially increase hits on their website. Or they can’t sing a note or make a tune. There are a ton of romantic match makers out there yet few ministry match makers. Some of you can join up a singer with a preacher, a meeting hall with a person with a message from God, techniquecal support for website. Ideas can give directions to the feet that carry the message.

Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! (KJV)

Now give your ideas and or your actual talents for these ideas by supporting, directing, and making these ideas happen. I need your help and others need your help. We live in the times of the END and these calls for extra ordinary methods. Mainstream Christianity is not changing with the times and more often joining ranks with the enemies of Jesus. Pockets of new life in Jesus Christ is about to spring up help them by explaining things you know and read what others may say that can help you move into these new time in Christ Jesus.

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Promises

What can be said about God's promises to us?

Jesus said: "I am that bread of life", John 6:48, "I am the light of the world", John 8:12, "I am the resurrection and the life." John 11:25

1. He has promised to supply every need we have. The Bible says: "But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus". That's Phillipians 4:19. Now notice, God has obligated Himself only to the extent of our needs. That would include food, clothing, shelter, companionship, love, and salvation thru Jesus Christ. It would not include the multiplicity of luxuries that we have come to think of as needs.
2. God has promised that His grace is sufficient for us. (II Corinthians 12:9). in fact, He has made provision for our salvation by His grace through faith. Read Ephesians 2:8. It is through an obedient faith that we have access into the grace of God according to Romans 5:2.
3. God has promised that His children will not be overtaken with temptation. Instead, He assures us that a way of escape will be provided. This promise is recorded in I Corinthians 10:13. Jude wrote: "Now unto Him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present your faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy" (Jude v 24). Darius, King of the Medes, said to Daniel, "Thy God whom thou servest continually, he will deliver thee" (Daniel 6:16). He did deliver Daniel from the den of lions.
4. God has promised us victory over death. He first resurrected Jesus by way of assuring our resurrection. Peter said: "This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we are all witnesses" (Acts 2:32). Paul wrote to the Corinthians: "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures" (I Corinthians 15:3,4). Later on he adds: "but thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ" (I Corinthians 15:57).
5. God has promised that all things work together for good to those who love and serve Him faithfully (Romans 8:28). It may be difficult for us to see and understand how this is accomplished at times, but God has promised it, and He will deliver.
6. God has promised that those who believe in Jesus and are baptized for the forgiveness of sins will be saved. (Read Mark 16:16 and Acts 2:38).
7. God has promised His people eternal life (John 10:27,28). In closing, let me appeal to you to live so that the promises of God will be yours.

John 14:2
2    In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. (KJV)

1 Cor 2:9
9    But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. (KJV)

John 14:16
16    And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; (KJV)

John 16:7
7    Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. (KJV)

Prophecy and Healing

Prophecy and Healing Rallies Held in Seattle
The Stables Ministries

Openly gay Pentecostal TV preacher invites groups, churches, Christian organizations, and other to contact him by calling (206-338-4297(GAYS), email (gays4jesus@gays4jesus.com), chat (in yahoo “pentecostalays4jesus”), or through his website http://gays4jesus.com/ to have him come speak.

Invitation policy (invite me).

Topics include:
New Jerusalem cube or pyramid? Rapture PRE MID or POST? Is gay sin or not? Pentecostalism what about it? Are modern versions of God or satan? UFOs who are they really? Are you likely to really get your head chopped off? When is the Wrath of God? Does Moses’ blood of the doorpost and mantle have it equivalent today (Passover = Rapture)?

What makes is easy to preach to other non-Christians? Does Jesus love you personally? What does “eye hath not seen, ear hath not heard “mean? Is Heaven pie in the sky or a new job employment business? What does it mean to be the TWO Witnesses and who might they be? Does being blessed mean having lots of money? What are the Bible codes really? These are just some of the things that will be talked about…

Praise and worship demonstrated bringing you into participation, baptism in the Holy Spirit what is this? Miracles, healings and more is that for today and will it happen to you now?

This just gives you an idea what to expect when you invite me to speak at your group, church, or organization.

Currently, if you want singing, music and other normal service activities you will need to provide this which should be easy since you are a group, church, or organization. Happy to negotiate what sort of song you normally sing to match with topics. The “Invite me” link above explains pre-visit negotiations.

Part of this is I am looking for talents and expertise. Singers, musicians, organizers, webmasters, TV program editors, fundraisers, and other talents. Especially someone that has the abilities to locate, set up, and arrange meetings either one on one with pastors or full-scale Healing rallies. It is now time to make a difference.

You can contact me by the above links, please state you want to help and what area you have your talents and gifts in. Anyone can help with a love gift http://clik.to/gays4jesuslovegift.

Faith Healing, Healing Rallies

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Thank you for your website for gay Pentecostals.

From: Rick B.

Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 9:14 PM

To: stablesministries@gays4jesus.com
Subject:

YOU - John, Thank you for your website for gay pentecostals.

You are welcome

YOU - I am a gay pentecostal and currently attend an Assemby of God Church, but at this time nobody knows.

ME - I have attended Assemblies of God for about 35 years, probably 15 years every Sunday. Those years they did not know I was gay and they very often told me they see Jesus in me and it was common that I would be called up to the alter by the pastor of whatever AOG I was visiting. They told me God told them to call me up specifically, and then they would operate in the Spirit and say God love me so much and that I loved God. They gave many prophesies which has come to pass. This was neat because this was in front of average 1000 people in the congregations. However, once I went on TV with “Gays For Jesus” and they saw the word gay then I get instant Can’t know Jesus and I am going to hell. I think this is fabulous because it is a good cross section of how one is treated when the assumption is your are str8 and when very openly on TV they see the word gay and so a 100% opposite reaction.

YOU - But I feel God is going to greatly use the evangelical gay community to help bring The Church into unity in these last days. I believe God is calling out gay pentecostals to bring this about using the apostolic and the prophetic gifts. I attend an EC Bible Study group and I think I'm the only pentecostal there. I want execise some of the gifts, but I'm new to this group and I don't want them to think I am trying to take over or something. I know God will tell me the right time is and that time is getting close the way is moving in this study. What has God shown you on how God is using gay pentecostals? 

Rick

ME - I also have attended EC a few times and likewise though much closer to AOG than MCC, which I also spend several years, EC is not Pentecostal so as with MCC (though the founder is Four Square Pentecostal). Pentecostal gays are left out. Many gay churches have open doors to all Christian faiths and offer each a place to worship, but concerning Pentecostals it is just not acceptable to operate openly in the spiritual gifts or praises.

There are Pentecostal gay churches around, but they seem to not be in active Pentecostal operations. Meaning they stay behind their church doors not making any waves with other gay Christians let alone the Christian community at large.

For me I can see no less than world outreach. Pentecostal str8s namely AOGs made quite a dent in the world. They got TBN (though for some time I believe they are now over ran with infiltrated enemies of God. I believe once it is time gay Pentecostals will explode onto the scene.

A huge part of the Last Days is based in Pentecostal gay movement exploding off the charts. This is a long story why I believe this and I believe there is plenty Bible for it. (Beside Jesus stuffing it down my throat for 35 years). Brant Baker had a marvelous healing ministry. With Lonnie Frisbee they single handedly gave the Str8 Pentecostal movement their foundation in worshipping Jesus. Both died of aids and were erased by TBN form public record, just recently you can now read about these TWO on line. Lonnie was where “Jesus freak” came from. One entry for an entire year for history of thing at vineyard church was “Lonnie said, come Holy Spirit”. Brant Baker had about the most wonderful style of ministry and Had Kathryn Kaulman’s 300 person choir. I actually went to about 6 rallys and saw the healings. Brant loved to dress up like Kathryn. Benny Hinn copied Brant’s ministry and also hung out with Brant often. Benny gives no credit to Brant. Brant in those days (1980s) It appears thought he had to change and did go to ex-gay ministry or something, the complete details are hard to find. Later after he was banned from TBN and was well on his way to dying had a change in life and was happier because he decided he did not care what others thought about him.

So horrible that Christians can wipe a minister from record just because they found out he had aids.

Anyway Brant was a spark but to early as it was a near 100% anti gay climate then. I believe and I should say I am 100% convinced God is very close to breaking the flood gates open. For decades, God has shown be generally gay Christians will be restorers. A huge rejection of Jesus and falling away will happen and God will send gays to help str8s back to Jesus. Most Christian gays don’t have a clue that they are being trained by God to be restorers. But when you observe gay groups or whatever their cause it has a foundation of forgivance and the goal to teach and acceptance of all. Rarely you find gay groups with vengeance as a motive.

Up to now non-Pentecostal gays have made huge differences. They laid the foundation, they did the research, they got the knowledge, they did the homework, they fought the battles and so on. But Pentecostal gays felt left out, lost, hated by all, not accepted in their Pentecostal churches and not tolerated to worship as they would like in gay churches. But their spirits long for to serve God through Jesus Christ. Seems so impossible.

Very soon you will see a gay Pentecostal holding rallies like Billy Graham might hold. Everyone will know that person is gay. God will heal more people in one service than he has healed often in a year. More will come to Christ in a single speaking engagement by a Gay Pentecostal than in most other rallies.

Part of what Jesus did will be common. Jesus spoke then he healed all that came to him for healing. Something is about to happen that will bring about an explosion in gay Pentecostals. Still most think God will never do anything with Pentecostal gays. I feel it in my bones. It may be just a word from someone, a happen chance news clip then gay Pentecostals will know God will use them after all. Thought to be str8 pastors will suddenly announce they are gay. Str8 pastors will fall like rain.

Ezekiel 34is about the str8 church and how it treats gay Christians. It as much as says DAVID is an apostle to gays. It hints that Elijah of the time Jesus will soon return is gay and is apostle to gays and much more. He will go onto to be one of the TWO Witnesses. All this might be hard to swallow, but there just is way too much information hidden from common view and take decades to discover so many individuals have done tremendous research into so much. As much as gay have been persecuted will God show answered prayers for those centuries of persecution by his people to his people. God has set a time to move and not a moment sooner. He will answer those prayers in the sight of their persecutors.

Gays are a nation of 630 million people. They are mixed amongst all nations, but they are a people unto God. God has placed them to do his work in the final days. The Church said I have no need of this member of the Body of Christ and they cut them off, in 1967 God began grafting them back in 1^st the Catholics then the Protestants, then the secular gays. Mostly visibly secular gays have gotten a great deal of dignity back to gays through the law. Christian gays and secular gays avoid the main issue and have no power of str8 Christians because it is a faith issue. Non- Pentecostal Christians have the courts or researching facts. Facts and courts are not faith and faith is Christianity and if Christians thinks God says then courts and facts are liars.

Pentecostal gays got an ACE up their Sleeve “The Holy Spirit” and baptism of fire. Unleash this and God will move. This is what will happen. I know God will move when I speak, I have no doubt. I know I can stand face to face with those that think gay is sin and God will move. Scary for me, but I know God will do this and so fear and I do mean fear and scared out of my wits can’t stop God so I will stand. I know the facts plus Pentecostal happens to mean you should be getting some interesting things from God over decades so Not just Bible, not just facts, not just hope, but actual first hand from God through Jesus confirmation.

Gays over all aspects and culture of life are Gatekeepers. There is a reason for this. Gays likewise in Christianity are amongst Gatekeepers. Being a Gatekeeper does not get you heaven, but is a common facet of being gay.

When the Church chose to ban gays it began to get sick and today is in death throws. The body of Christ needs its members. God has given humans provisions whether Christian or not to live well. The Church often blocks many provisions o f God. An unblocking is coming and many will turn their backs on Jesus. Gay Christians will be ready to nurse them back. Pentecostal gay Christians will step in and guide all gay Christians and many others to becoming aware of this calling most gays and others have no clue they have.

So this is what is showing me and has shown me.

Praise the Lord

Jesus loves me this I know for the Bible tells me so

1 Cor 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. (KJV)

Jesus Christ Son of God loves you very much. Gay or str8 you, can be healed of many health problems and emotional problems. Everywhere we see Jesus speaking, we see miracles. You can expect miracles when you preach in Jesus’ name. Miracles did not disappear when the last of the 12 Apostles.

Mark 16:17-18 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. KJV)

As you can see, we are given assurances that Jesus gives us to where with all to do fantastic things in his name. Think about it, how many times did Jesus spend time healing the sick after speaking to crowds that came to hear him? We see a pattern that Jesus had as he ministered to people.

Many Christians do add in a sinner’s prayer as part of their preaching to others almost as if they would be bad if they did not offer a chance for non-believers to come to Jesus during their preaching. So why should we leave out the most common thing Jesus did when he finished speaking?

Often we as ministers set up a ritual for our services. Announcements, singing, offering, communion, and some other things (in various order of presentation). Mostly nothing wrong with it because we need a format to work for gatherings of people. Why not add a”lay on hands” time to heal people in the name of Jesus? Should we care if no one gets healed? We do not seem to mind too much if none or not many come to accept Jesus, we still ask for those that want to accept him now.

Anyway, yes you can be healed today. Miracles do happen today. We have 2000 years to observe not every time we ask God in Jesus’ name to we receive something we can touch or see or feel. However, we do see plenty of times miracles do happen.

There is one way to God and that is through His Son Jesus Christ. He is the door, now this door can be in very strange places, but it is the same door and you are asking God to forgive you in Jesus name and come into your life. There is no other name that can forgive your sins and give you eternal life. The door where ever you walk through it will be Jesus by NAME. Leave out this name and it is not the door to forgiveness and eternal life.

Being a Christian is not a requirement to be healed by Jesus. It usually will help you think that maybe Jesus is who he says he is and is the door to eternal life and you may want to accept him after you experienced healing. Accepting Jesus because you got healed should be followed quickly by reading the KJV (King James Version) of the Bible or else you would not have a base to rely on as the days go forward and life goes on. Accepting Jesus means not only did he die (paying the price) for your sins, but he first loved you was why he died for you, he wants you to have eternal life. Jesus will come into you and never leave you and this is what is very different from all other religions. Jesus has a personal relationship with you.

Types of healings vary, some are very very dramatic and you have no question Jesus healed you on the spot. You will FEEL the process of healing and can describe it in detail to others it was so distinct. Other times you can’t tell that anything happened or it may be gradual whereas before you were going downhill and or diagnostically you would need a much longer time to heal. Generally praise is given to Jesus even though it may be a normal healing process of your body (which Jesus created this process when he created life).

You may just as you were already doing get sicker and died as you were going to anyway. Christians do die of everything everyone else dies of so no room to blame God or have a pity party because Jesus did not heal you like you hoped he would.

The brighter side is as long as you live you are available to receive a healing miracle. There is no limit to how many, some get few or can’t recognize any they may have received, others get them often even daily. It is not easy to say any person is more faithfull as a measure to numbers of miracles received. Some get miracles daily and don’t come around to Jesus till late in life.

It is best said in the Bible: John 21:22 Jesus saith unto him . . . , what is that to thee?. . . (KJV)

So, seek your healings till you receive it or die in Christ whatever comes first. You may get it in a church service or a Christian rally. Maybe a Bible study, or late at night when your pain is so great, you raise your arms to God praising him even in your pain.

You live in a remarkable time as things worsen and we draw closer to the return of Jesus we will not only see horrible things and many are killed in many situations and major disasters and outright government killings of masses of people, we will also see ministers rising up having great authority to heal many people and this will begin to be commonly heard about and you can go to such people and be healed. Also just asking any Christian to lay hands on you will be more commonly heard about that healing happening.

It is important to know Jesus is Spirit and God is Spirit and in the spirit you must worship him for you are also spirit, but still in the flesh. Worship in the spirit, figure out how, this is not easy to teach but you are given the abilities to worship God in the spirit so it is natural part of being human. We all want to worship GOD, but most try to by worshipping god (small g). It works when you worship god but the father of these gods is satan. So read the KJV Bible and learn about Jesus and the process to worship GOD and discern the gods so you will avoid the traps set by satan. If you know GOD (KJV Bible) then god (satan) can’t trick you into thinking god is GOD.

Jesus hears you so you can talk to him. Seek him call on his name praise him worship him and talk to him like he is your best friend. He is God Creator, but also he is your best friend. It is amazing how Creator of all things can be so personal with you. It is a balancing act to worship him as God and enjoy him as your best friend. He is God not your imaginary friend or your slave or your pet. He is your best friend and he is GOD. Treat him both like He is God Creator of all things and also treat him like your best friend.

Jesus has emotions and you can make him laugh and feel sad and angry, you can get him quite angry, but he loves you and his anger will not ever make him forsake you. He understands it when you make him mad and gets over it. Your belief that Jesus is his Son and that God rose him on the 3^rd day and that his death on the Cross paid the price for your sins so you will not have to pay the price of eternal death without God is obedience to God. The Law of Moses only showed us we are sinners and is not a list to obey and so called obedience to God. Jesus died once and for all and God wrote his LAWS on your heart. Sin lists are not of God. Live as best you can, God is with you till the end, then eternally in Heaven (heaven is a place, but fact is most of the time we will be elsewhere doing : 1 Cor 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. (KJV).

diane24usa@yahoo.com Chat on 04-04-08

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gays4jesus: but as usual you like all people that believe gay is sin will refuse any sort of explaining how you got gays into a Bible word

diane24usa: since when are sodomites innocent. Read sodom and ghmorrah.

6945 qadesh (kaw-dashe'); from 6942; a (quasi) sacred person, i.e. (technically) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry: KJV-- sodomite, unclean.
Sodomites are not innocent and Sodom and Gomorrah is a story with details that describe acts that cannot be confused.

Gen 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: (KJV)

Old and young and all the people is descriptive of age and numbers of people.

Gen 19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. (KJV)

wickedly = 7489 ra` a` (raw-ah'); a primitive root; properly, to spoil (literally, by breaking to pieces); figuratively, to make (or be) good for nothing, i.e. bad (physically, socially or morally): KJV-- afflict, associate selves [by mistake for 7462],
break (down, in pieces), + displease, (be, bring, do) evil (doer, entreat, man), showself friendly [by mistake for 7462], do harm, (do) hurt, (behaveself, deal) ill, X indeed, do mischief, punish, still, vex, (do) wicked (doer, -ly), be (deal, do) worse.

Lot’s “doing wickedly” is descriptive of detailed behavior that was planned.

diane24usa: it's an obomination to God .and it says u will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. you know that. God bless

This is what I know:

the Hebrew for abomination means acts done worshipping other gods that is why God hates it so... 8441 tow` ebah (to-ay-baw'); or to` ebah (to-ay-baw'); feminine active participle of 8581; properly, something disgusting (morally), i.e. (as noun) an abhorrence; especially idolatry or (concretely) an idol: KJV-- abominable (custom, thing), abomination.

The Bible is a big book and in it, both in the New and Old Testaments have many form of this word abomination that English has just one word. The entire Bible and all its uses of this word it all its form always means that the thing disgusted is acts to other gods that evokes the “Exod 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; (KJV)” You cannot use Bible words and interpret them to any possible modern meaning you wish it to mean. You must adhere to the meaning in the Bible.

The Bible does have a Hebrew word that does mean simply disgusted thing:

8262 shaqats (shaw-kats'); a primitive root; to be filthy, i.e. (intensively) to loathe, pollute: KJV-- abhor, make abominable, have in abomination, detest, X utterly.

Lev 11:11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. (KJV)

The 1^st abomination above is acts to other gods, the 2^nd abomination above is disgusted thing. Bible is wonderful you cannot guess meanings because ancient Hebrew is a language thatis accessibly eaily and there is no excuse to not use the meanings of those days. God did not give us a Bible TODAY he gave it to us around 300 AD:

95 A.D. the last book was finished. Over time spurious documents surfaced. Finally a church council was called to close the canon in 325 A.D. The same 66 books in use in 95 A.D. were the ones confirmed at the council of Nicea in 325.

Therefore, you must use 95 AD definitions when claiming a Bible word means something.

diane24usa: it's an obomination to God .and it says u will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. you know that. God bless

gays4jesus: so you think 733 arsenokoites (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace) means gays? Even though this word has been documented to have been used only 76 times in 1600 years since PAUL wrote it. And at no time has a hint to gays been in any documented usages in that 1600 years, the main use of this word has been to mention sex out of species

gays4jesus: it would be very nice how you get a Greek work that means the same as the Hebrew word 6945 qadesh (kaw-dashe'); which means male temple prostitute. One source explains:

The word arsenokoites is only used 76 times in Greek literature from AD 58 when Paul first used it, to about AD 1450. Never in any of those usages does arsenokoites refer to males of equal status in a committed, faithful, non-cultic partnership. Also: Arsenokoites Occurs Only 76 Times In Extant Greek Manuscripts In The First 2100 Years Of Greek History - About Once Every 28 Years.

So if you are so sure arsenokoites means gays then can you present where you are finding that information that shows arsenokoites means homosexual?

733 arsenokoites (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace); from 730 and 2845; a sodomite: KJV-- abuser of (that defileself) with mankind.

1 Tim 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; (KJV)

3120 malakos (mal-ak-os'); of uncertain affinity; soft, i.e. fine (clothing); figuratively, a catamite: KJV-- effeminate, soft.

Paul actually toured a fertility temple:

CORINTHIANS

According to Nelson's Bible Dictionary Corinth was ancient Greece's most important trade city. At Corinth the apostle Paul established a flourishing church made up of a cross section of the worldly minded people who had flocked to Corinth to participate in gambling, legalized temple prostitution, business adventures, and amusements available in this first century navy town. The city soon became a melting pot for the approximately 500,000 people who lived there at the time of Paul's arrival.

Near the city's market place were the butcher stalls or meat markets that Paul mentioned in 1 Corinthians 10:25. The meat was often dedicated to pagan idols before being sold. This presented a culturo-religious problem for the Christians in Corinth. Rising 1,500 feet above the city and to the south of the acropolis was a fortified hill upon which loomed the infamous Temple of Aphrodite or Venus. This pagan temple and its 1,000 temple prostitutes greatly influenced the city's culture and morals.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (KJV)

The phrase we want to look at is: nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind. According to Strong's the Greek word translated as effeminate is #3120, malakos (mal-ak-os'); of uncertain affinity; soft, i.e. fine (clothing); figuratively, a catamite. A catamite, according to Webster's is a kept boy. In these days it was very common for young males to prostitute themselves to older, wealthy men in exchange for money, education or a place to live. These were not intended to be love relationships. Many of these men were married to women. These boys were simply kept for sexual purposes as live-in prostitutes. As I stated in the Gay Lifestyle section of this article, I do not defend this type of activity. Unfortunately, today, there is a group of young, male prostitutes that has come about because their parents kicked them out of the house for being gay. These are two different things. Young male prostitutes do not equal homosexuals and homosexuals do not equal young male prostitutes. Prostitution has nothing to do with homosexuality.

The next part of the phrase in question is translated as abusers of themselves with mankind. According to Strong's Dictionary there is only one word that is translated as abusers of themselves with mankind. # 733 arsenokoites (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace); from 730 and 2845; a sodomite: The word sodomite means male temple prostitute. This word has a Hebrew (or Old Testament) counterpart. In the Strong's dictionary the Hebrew word is #6945 qadesh (kaw-dashe'); a (quasi) sacred person, i.e. (technically) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry. Although the definition is clear, some versions of the Bible translate this as homosexual while other versions correctly translate it to male temple or shrine prostitute.

Above is just some quick information that is easily found when you search for what the verse is talking about. The versions of Bibles that renders the word homosexual are 100% in the class of modern versions, which has specific roots in Westcott and Hort, so a study of Westcott and Hort becomes necessary in searching what are the real actual words in a verse. You will find all modern versions come from the Church of England’s official Bible from the 1880s.

diane24usa: they wil save your soul

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (KJV)
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (KJV)
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (KJV)

God be merciful to me a sinner! I believe Christ died on the Cross for me, that God rose him on the 3rd day, and that His Precious Blood will cleanse me from all my sins. Forgive me of my sins and come into my heart as my Lord and my Savior. Help me Lord to do thy will each day. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (KJV)

My Personal Statement of Faith:

1. WE BELIEVE...The Scriptures are Inspired by God and declare His design and plan for mankind.

2. WE BELIEVE...There is only One True God–revealed in three persons...Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (commonly known as the Trinity).

3. WE BELIEVE...In the Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ. As God's son Jesus was both human and divine.

4. WE BELIEVE...though originally good, Man Willingly Fell to Sin–ushering evil and death, both physical and spiritual, into the world.

5. WE BELIEVE...Every Person Can Have Restored Fellowship with God Through 'Salvation' (accepting Christ's offer of forgiveness for sin).

6. WE BELIEVE...and practice two ordinances—(1) Water Baptism by Immersion after repenting of one's sins and receiving Christ's gift of salvation, and (2) Holy Communion (the Lord's Supper) as a symbolic remembrance of Christ's suffering and death for our salvation.

7. WE BELIEVE...the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is a Special Experience Following Salvation that empowers believers for witnessing and effective service, just as it did in New Testament times.

8. WE BELIEVE... The Initial Physical Evidence of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is ‘Speaking in Tongues,’ as experienced on the Day of Pentecost and referenced throughout Acts and the Epistles.

9. WE BELIEVE...Sanctification Initially Occurs at Salvation and is not only a declaration that a believer is holy, but also a progressive lifelong process of separating from evil as believers continually draw closer to God and become more Christlike.

10. WE BELIEVE...The Church has a Mission to seek and save all who are lost in sin. We believe 'the Church' is the Body of Christ and consists of the people who, throughout time, have accepted God's offer of redemption (regardless of religious denomination) through the sacrificial death of His son Jesus Christ.

11. WE BELIEVE...A Divinely Called and Scripturally Ordained Leadership Ministry Serves the Church. The Bible teaches that each of us under leadership must commit ourselves to reach others for Christ, to worship Him with other believers, and to build up or edify the body of believers–the Church.

12. WE BELIEVE...Divine Healing of the Sick is a Privilege for Christians Today and is provided for in Christ's atonement (His sacrificial death on the cross for our sins).

13. WE BELIEVE...in The Blessed Hope—When Jesus Raptures His Church Prior to His Return to Earth (the second coming). At this future moment in time all believers who have died will rise from their graves and will meet the Lord in the air, and Christians who are alive will be caught up with them, to be with the Lord forever.

14. WE BELIEVE...in The Millennial Reign of Christ when Jesus returns with His saints at His second coming and begins His benevolent rule over earth for 1,000 years. This millennial reign will bring the salvation of national Israel and the establishment of universal peace.

15. WE BELIEVE...A Final Judgment Will Take Place for those who have rejected Christ. They will be judged for their sin and consigned to eternal punishment in a punishing lake of fire.

16. WE BELIEVE...and look forward to the perfect New Heavens and a New Earth that Christ is preparing for all people, of all time, who have accepted Him. We will live and dwell with Him there forever following His millennial reign on Earth. 'And so shall we forever be with the Lord

I was chief atheist for 27 yrs, I am 61, gay, & Pentecostal in Assemblies of God and have been since January 1974 with my lover since 1989 & Preaching weekly on TV since March 1986, over 200 pastors prophesied over me good things from God that have come to pass, I had 3 major dramatic physical healings and have 1000s of answered prayers, and over 700,000 homophobes have came to me in a few year period of time. I counseled with 1000s of str8 Christians who saw my screen name and wanted my counseling to better their Life with Christ including parents upbringing their kids in Christ Jesus. No country exist that at least one person has watched my TV program. I am blessed in my secular job and always promoted quickly. I often have been raised to leadership rolls in areas I never desired or sought but knew God would raise me for a witness. I can speak on my walk with Jesus non-stop for days on in of the things he is doing and has done in my life. These sort of things people like you fail to recognize let alone explain in Christian gays’ lives. We have testimony you refuse to hear.

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diane24usa: they will teach u how

Your link is a Catholic ex-gay group. My past includes intensive research into ex-gays and ex-gay leaders and ex-gay groups. I talk a lot about these on my website, but in short, there are no such things as ex-gays. Leaders always fit into a pattern that does not meet minimums as examples of real ordinary gays. Decades of follow-up studies show all ex-gays fail to maintain as celebrate or a str8 life. Those the marry heterosexually produce spouses testimonies that shows the trouble trying to maintain a str8 life style. I do not want here to go into deep detail about ex-gays, but to just point out that all ex-gay ministries use the 12^th century Catholic anti-gay doctrine invented to create scandal to remove certain leaders from powerful positions that are not aligned with the same ideals. 100 years later the Protestants adopted this false doctrine and when it came to the USA it developed into a heinous doctrine to quote one source.

diane24usa: sodomy is mentioned many times in the bible,,and it is always a very evil sin

Where is sodomy mentioned in the Bible? Most researchers put the word sodomy itself as coined right and or just before 1000 AD. Sodomite is mentioned 5 times in the OT:

sodomite.. (KJV)

Deut 23:17There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. (KJV)

IKing 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel. (KJV)

IKing 15:12 And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made. (KJV)

IKing 22:46 And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land. (KJV)

II Ki 23:7 And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove. (KJV)

Two times in the NT:

1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, (KJV)

1 Tim 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; (KJV)

Gen 19:5-8

Lev 18:22

Lev 20:13

Deut 23:17 sodomite

Judg 19:22

IKing 14:24 sodomites

IKing 15:12 sodomites

IKing 22:46 sodomites

II Ki 23:7 sodomites

Rom 1:24

Rom 1:26-27

1 Cor 6:9 sodomites

1 Tim 1:9-10 sodomites

Above is every instant in the entire Bible about any sort of male to male sex. Two other verses that do not mention male-to-male sex are part of the 700-year-old false doctrine about gays. Gen 22:2 and Jude 1:7

Again, how do you get gays into the Bible?

diane24usa: dont die in that grave evil sin..it is against God and nature. Your bodies dont even match..........

650 million gays today, this means 650 million or so has already lived and died since 6000 years ago. Still you refuse to explain how you got gays to be evil sins when real life gays are opposite.

diane24usa: sodomites are those who commit sodomy

Sodomite are explained above, they can’t mean gays because that is not the Bible word.

diane24usa: I hope you take this to heart because i want u to be saved. This is a v grave sin.

Scroll up to see my confession of faith.

diane24usa: go in the catholic room and ask them,, christ ONLY founded that chruch..in 1054 teh eastern churches left the pope. Before this there were no other christian chruches except the catholic.

Sorry but popping your bubble I am an expert on many things Catholic concerning the past and present. Vaticaqn is about as evil as humans can get and are pretty much in control of the coming new world order and anti-christ’s kingdom. I can go into tons concerning what I personally believe about the Vatican. There really is not much to support it being even close to God, however, in spite of the Vatican evil, part of satan’s plan has side effects because the Gospel does get through and a lot of Catholics are indeed saved.

12 Apostles 12 denomination from the get go. Almost right away people began to follow an Apostle usually whatever one went to their area of the world. So denominations has to be of God no matter how wrong many of their doctrines can be. I never say anything lightly so this means intense study and research convinces me from the beginning it was might to be Christians have a wide area of difference all the while remaining in the foundation of Jesus Christ. They all got the as it were same Bible disregarding my strong feeling against modern versions knowing they are satan counterfeits. It is the big picture my ministry is interested in and putting the pieces together. Because you are so deeply committed to the Vatican, it is not surprising you believe it is the CHURCH. There are many denominations that believe they are the only one that will be Saved.

diane24usa: it's the act of sodomy that is sinful..

Sodomy origins is to control people’s style of sex namely anything out of the missionary position issin.

diane24usa: if u stay celebate u can become a saint .

1 Tim 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (KJV)

1 Cor 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. (KJV)

You ask a human to abstain. Even being married if one does not have sex with their spouse God says the risk of temptation is great and the Church is so full of ministers being tempted sexually. Catholics are paying the price for their doctrines of celibacy in the tune of many hundred of millions of Christian faith given dollars given to be used to ministers God to the masses but instead is lawsuit payoffs. So you with complete ease ask 650 million gays to abstain from sex. Real life gays do what real life str8 do, they want to meet someone to love so they date, they fall in love then they marry. Because you are stuck on the Bar scene I am supposing or some other form of visible apparent sexual immorality you assume the is the typical gay. Beyond any kind of comparison, str8s will always, far exceed any close comparison to sexual immorality that gays. On top of this, people like you force so many gays to live what seems like immorality because of the extreme fear of people like you condemning them and worse.

diane24usa: u aer cursed if u commit sodomy also you will go to hell if u die in one of those sins

So you have no sins? Every human sins every day, so as you judge another that is exactly how you will be judged. Your sins are forgiven, you did not stop sinning. God sees Jesus when he hears accusation from satan about your real sins, so God cannot see your sins instead he sees Jesus purity. Sodomy is explained above.

diane24usa: 10 commandments...

Exod 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: (KJV)

Exod 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. (KJV)

How do you define Sabbath? Do you change it to bew evolved into a new program or did you delete it?

diane24usa: 'if u dont live by the law you will die by the law'

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (KJV)

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (KJV)

Are you the keeper of the whole LAW?

diane24usa: yea male prostitutes were in PAGAN temples

½ of all the verses used against gays talks specifically about male temple prostitutes. When Paul walked out of his rented home in Rome he saw on every street corner pagan fertility temples that had male temple prostitutes:

Cybele, on this ancient Roman coin, is called Mater Deum, "Mother of the gods."

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By the first century AD, when Paul wrote Romans, the Cybele cult was one of the most powerful in the Roman Empire.

Fertility goddess Names In The Ancient Near East

“The religions which developed these ideas were all based on a maternal figure, found under different names throughout a great part of the Near East.

To the Phoenicians she was Astarte; to the Phrygians, Cybele; to the Babylonians, Ishtar; to the Thracians, Bendis; to the Cretans, Rhea; to the Ephesians, Artemis; to the Canaanites, Atargatis; to the Persians, Anaitis; to the Cappadocians, Ma. But though her names differ, her attributes are the same - she is always the mother who succours and helps, and who bestows fertility.

So when the Bible talks about male temple prostitutes it does not refer to ordinary gays at all. Tell me why you insist to call all gays in the world male temple prostitutes, but you will not call all str8 women prostitutes why some are?

diane24usa: 'woe to those who say evil is good"

It is so disgusting when people can actually infer someone is calling evil good just because they are gay in which there is no requirement to show the Bible says this. I have had about 800,000 homophobes tell be the Bible says gay is sin just like you are and not one of those people from the most highly educated to the least they all never explain how they make “male temple prostitute” mean gay.

diane24usa: what about fornication?

2181 zanah (zaw-naw'); a primitive root [highly-fed and therefore wanton]; to commit adultery (usually of the female, and less often of simple fornication, rarely of involuntary ravishment); figuratively, to commit idolatry (the Jewish people being regarded as the spouse of Jehovah): KJV-- (cause to) commit fornication, X continually, X great, (be an, play the) harlot, (cause to be, play the) whore, (commit, fall to) whoredom, (cause to) go a-whoring, whorish.

FORNICATION

[for nih KAY shun]-- sexual relationships outside the bonds of marriage. The technical distinction between fornication and ADULTERY is that adultery involves married persons while fornication involves those who are unmarried. But the New Testament often uses the term in a general sense for any unchastity. Of the seven lists of sins found in the writings of the apostle Paul, the word fornication is found in five of them and is first on the list each time <1 Cor. 5:11; Col. 3:5>. In the Book of Revelation, fornication is symbolic of how idolatry and pagan religion defiles true worship of God <Rev. 14:8; 17:4>.

(from Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary)

(Copyright (C) 1986, Thomas Nelson Publishers)

So we get confusion in this word fornication because sources differ some say sex out of marriage some say its committing adultery. However, I am sure you and I agree fornication is sex out of marriage at least when it comes to the argument gays can only commit fornication because they cannot marry.

Well at least TODAY this is becoming a wash out for homophobes because states are making it legal for marriage like conditions for gays, one it is marriage some countries it is marriage. In the USA a major factor is occurring with the one state that has marriage and the several states that have civil union like laws. It is now understood it is very difficult to manage civil unions for every kind of reason (usually for taxes). Marriages gay or str8 are an automatic ease to manage, as the system already is computer to work for this. While civil unions it now become legally required in some states produces a mass head ache of paper work. This will force states to allow marriage in its entirety as there is no going back to unrecognized unions. Also:

Matt 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. (KJV)

I have been with my lover for 19 years, you cannot say our lives are different than str8 marriages. Remember gays have the advantage on this topic. Gays are surrounded with str8 marriages and dating and had parents so they know all about everything in a str8 marriage good or bad. Gays also meet, date, and marry. You may hate it to be called marriage , that is your problem. Love is not a monopoly for str8s. Most gays disappear into marriages as they find the right person to spend their lives with. Divorce is 60% for str8s 9this number does not go done because the people are Christian).

69% of str8 single Christians have been thoroughly researched as to the sexual behaviors in dating. Fornication is a human trait not an orientation trait. Promiscuity is dominated by str8s, and gays cannot be said to be so sexually evil because the common homophobic thinking is gays sleep around. Str8s are the kings and queens of sleeping around.

4202 porneia (por-ni'-ah); from 4203; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry: KJV-- fornication.

To arrive at anything related to gays is:

4205 pornos (por'-nos); from pernemi (to sell; akin to the base of 4097); a (male) prostitute (as venal), i.e. (by analogy) a debauchee (libertine): KJV-- fornicator, whoremonger.

In Paul’s day gay prostitutes were nearly unknown (except those engaged in ritual sex in fertility temples).Common enough to be found were str8 male prostitutes we call them gigolos today. Today we can find plenty of gay prostitutes, but that did not start much until the anti-gay doctrine was invented by Catholics some 700 years ago.

A note, marriage as we know it today came from fertility pagan marriage rituals, including our idea that we select the person we marry by the dating process. When we go to a wedding, every act we see has roots in fertility gods from the 12^th century. So many pagans got saved at that time they brought these customs over to Christianity.

diane24usa: it's in there many times...

Fornication is not another term for gays.

diane24usa: 'homosexual perverts...shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven'

Would it surprise you that the holder of the Copyright of the New International Version Bible also holds the copyright for Hustler magazine - pornography? Rupert Murdock, called "Media's prince of Darkness" by Chicago columnist Mike Royco, owns the copyright & exclusive printing rights on the most sold newer Bible version in the world, the NIV (through Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids Michigan, which he owns). Murdoch also owns the copyright on another corrupt Bible version, the Amplified Version.

WESTCOTT AND HORT

Westcott and Hort were Anglican priests and closet Catholics who lived in England in the 19^th century (1800s).  It was the same time in which there was a movement within the Anglican clergy to reunite with the Pope—led notably by Cardinal Newman—an Anglican priest turned Roman Catholic prelate.

The beliefs and agenda of Westcott and Hort can be gleaned by reading their personal correspondence preserved in their biographies.  While they were deciding what does and does not belong in their revision of the Greek New Testament, they were involved in:

Worship of the Virgin (Mariolatry).

Necromancy (spiritualism – calling up the dead in séances).

Speaking with ghosts (devils).

The Bible forbids all three activities.  Worship of the Virgin violates both the First and Second of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20).  Necromancy, witchcraft, and consulting with familiar spirits is forbidden in Deuteronomy 18:10-12.

HERMES CLUB AND GHOSTLY GUILD

In 1845, as a Cambridge undergraduate, Westcott organized the Hermes Club.  Hermes is the Greek god of magic, the Lord of death, cunning and trickery.  According to Greek mythology, Hermes was a gifted speaker and scribe.

Westcott’s friend, Madame Blavatsky, a key founder of the New Age Movement, wrote, “Satan and Hermes are all one,” in her book, THE SECRET DOCTRINE.  She didn’t even pretend to be a Christian—she was a Luciferian.

In the 1850s Westcott, Hort and Benson (a future Archbishop of Canterbury) founded the “Ghost Club” (also known as the Ghostly Guild).  It promoted “channeling” by which spirits speak through a medium.

New Age Bible Versions takes the reader behind the scenes to expose the corrupted Greek manuscripts, critical editions, lexicons and dictionaries behind new versions such as the NIV, NASV, NKJV, NRSV, NAB, REB, RSV, CEV, TEV, GNB, LIVING, PHILLIPS, NEW JERUSALEM, & NEW CENTURY. New Age Bible Versions goes on to reveal their occult origins and contents.

Just trying to point out that YOUR RSV version is from the corrupt manuscripts of Westcott and Hort. That you should pursue researching the version you are using. Homosexual perverts is not in the Bible, the actual word in the Bible is sodomite as shown above.

diane24usa: sodom and ghmorrah..........sodomy comes from the wd Sodom

Sodomy comes from Catholics around 1000 AD. Making a statement that it comes from the ancient Bible described city “Sodom” does not make it Bible origin. 1000AD Catholics were on a rampage of controlling its masses and deciding how they should live. Some 300 years later, they would have invented the anti-gay doctrine to create scandals. The anti-gay doctrine uses 7 verses that use the word sodomite. This doctrine states gay is sin by using the Bible word sodomite (male temple prostitute). The actual city of Sodom never at any time in the entire Bible any citizen of Sodom was ever called a sodomite. Every use of this word was directly talking about a fertility temple prostitute.

Ezek 16:49-50 49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. 50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. (KJV)

Best description elsewhere in the Bible about Sodom says it was a generally bad city. Sodom is a no brainer sexually immoral city:

Book of Jasher, Chapter 19

1 And the cities of Sodom had four judges to four cities, and these were their names, Serak in the city of Sodom, Sharkad in Gomorrah, Zabnac in Admah, and Menon in Zeboyim.

2 And Eliezer Abraham's servant applied to them different names, and he converted Serak to Shakra, Sharkad to Shakrura, Zebnac to Kezobim, and Menon to Matzlodin.

3 And by desire of their four judges the people of Sodom and Gomorrah had beds erected in the streets of the cities, and if a man came to these places they laid hold of him and brought him to one of their beds, and by force made him to lie in them.

4 And as he lay down, three men would stand at his head and three at his feet, and measure him by the length of the bed, and if the man was less than the bed these six men would stretch him at each end, and when he cried out to them they would not answer him.

5 And if he was longer than the bed they would draw together the two sides of the bed at each end, until the man had reached the gates of death.

6 And if he continued to cry out to them, they would answer him, saying, Thus shall it be done to a man that cometh into our land.

7 And when men heard all these things that the people of the cities of Sodom did, they refrained from coming there.

Above is from a book that was strongly considered for inclusion in the Bible, but chapter by chapter it resembled Genesis. Genesis was a little less graphic and more poetic and so Jasher did not really have that much a chance. However, it was widely read in those days. Point here is the more you search about Sodom you can learn things. Books that were considered for the Bible should have some creditability and at least give you an impression better suited to understand the people of Sodom. Sodom had a very long history as did the fertility temple prostitutes. Because a thousand years after the manuscripts were written, people evolved words. To name sexual immorality after a sexual immoral city is a no brainer. But to paste this name on to decent folk that are not even closely behaving sexually as the actual city or the actual people of the actual city behaved is just a flat out lie and a disgrace. To say you love true, but to so flagrantly adopt lies as your belief is not easy to understand. I just cannot understand at all why it is so hard for one who says gay is sin to say how they get gays into a word or phrase or verse. However, I know when and if you read this or that anyone reading this on my blog that thinks gay is sin that you just will not explain how you get gays into a word in the bible.

Also I am nearly 100% sure you will not take even a second to check out anything I have said or give what I say a thought. You just love your hatred of gays so much you believe God hates them and you cannot bring yourself to research the issue to see if you are right or wrong. I only had homophobic reading material in the early 1970s and yet even in the most homophobic Christian books in Christian book store, it was obvious lie after lie about gays were used as their proof gay is sin, but never at any time how they get gays into a Bible word. Still proof gay is not sin was even clear in their books. When you are gay and read, what a str8 person says about gays it is not very difficult to know what is a lie and what is not. Gays are gay from birth and they know how they are living and what they are doing and they are not doing what homophobes depict.

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Thanks and God Bless you in Jesus Name