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From: heavens_way_ministry@yahoo.com [mailto:heavens_way_ministry@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:25 PM
To: gays4jesus@gays4jesus.com
Subject: Volusion Live Chat - when you were offline
u sir have a reprobate mind .. just like ray boltz .. people whom think you can be a christian and live as a gay person are truly deceived. a read how GOD created male female .. .GE:1:27.and the purpose.ge:1:28
also read le;20:13 Le:18:22 1co:6:9
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MY RESPONSE
Did you know the ancient fertility goddess had many names?
“The religions which developed these ideas were all based on a maternal figure, found under different names throughout a great part of the Near East.
To the Phoenicians she was Astarte; to the Phrygians, Cybele; to the Babylonians, Ishtar; to the Thracians, Bendis; to the Cretans, Rhea; to the Ephesians, Artemis; to the Canaanites, Atargatis; to the Persians, Anaitis; to the Cappadocians, Ma. But though her names differ, her attributes are the same - she is always the mother who succours and helps, and who bestows fertility.
I did not know who Ray Boltz was so as I ask everyone that talk to me on these issues study to know what you are talking about:
A MESSAGE FROM RAY
A few years ago, I made the decision to retire from contemporary Christian music. I had won awards, performed in front of thousands of people, and sold millions of records. Still, I believed that if people knew who I really was, I would never be accepted. During the last few years, I have learned that there are many people who feel the same way I did. One church in particular has helped me in many ways. The Metropolitan Community Church (www.mccchurch.org) was started forty years ago by Rev. Troy Perry in the Los Angeles area and has an outreach to the LGTB (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender) community. I am happy to announce that I have accepted an invitation to perform at two of their churches. On September 14th, I will be singing at the Jesus Metropolitan Community Church (www.jesusmcc.org) in Indianapolis at 6:00p.m. On September 21st, I'll be singing at the Metropolitan Community Church of Washington, D.C. (www.mccdc.com) at 3:00p.m.
What does , reprobate mean?
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; (KJV)
96 adokimos (ad-ok'-ee-mos); from 1 (as a negative particle) and 1384; unapproved, i.e. rejected; by implication, worthless (literally or morally): KJV-- castaway, rejected, reprobate.
So, Ray Boltz who performed in front of thousands of people, and sold millions of records, is reprobate? I wonder how a person is reprobate when they have been so popular and was such a hit amongst Christian? Just because one day he stood up to tell the world, he is gay instantaneously reprobate.
Heavens Way could have at least given some background on what made a famous person well accepted by Christians to be reprobate. Ray went onto to continue his God given talents to the gay Christian community.
Also, Heaven’s Way says I am reprobate though I am the longest running TV program on an entire TV station (24 years every week preaching). I in very short period advanced to manager of a very large retail store. Many occasions God raised me to high responsibilities. So, how can a Christian place the term reprobate on gays? FACT is in a case example couple decades ago in Washington State Oregon Christians tried to get a law to be voted on to take gay rights away from Washington. This group wanted to place gays in a grouping with sex with animals. The only way they could do this was also add all the minority groups in as well, like various cultures from foreign countries. Generally, if you were a str8 white person you would have rights everyone else looses rights. Research on that law showed that if passed it would require all gays to be fired from government jobs immediately. Also anyone not reporting a gay person so they could be fired would also be fired. It showed that the health care system would collapse as well as many areas that is design for human care and compassion. My point here is there are 650 million gays in the world and so plenty to see if reprobate is applicable.
I know those that think gay is sin only see the word GAY and this convinces them that the definition of GAY is just another word for sin and reprobateness. There simply is no way to get a person that thinks gay is sin to explain how they come up with this. It would be such a wonder if such a Christian would supply facts, but that is a fantasy wish.
Deceived?
Deceived is a very strange word to come out of Christian that think gay is sin. So much history on the evolution of this false doctrine “gay is sin”. It has a specific beginning. A little over 700 years ago a few powerful Catholic leaders wanted a way to purge a person from power that did not have the same ideals as they did. They needed a scandal. So, they gathered together 12 verses that implied some sort of same sex sex and since they were the teachers and no Christian can defy the Vatican it was easy to convince the Catholic world gay is sin and begin to purge people from power. This often failed because their enemies also used that doctrine on them.
It took 100 years to fully be adopted by Protestants. Then when a group of puritans headed for America because Christian in Europe persecuted them they brought with them a most heinous version of the anti-gay doctrine. Later American Christians also hated these puritans even though they still love to say American was founded in Christianity, though it was the puritans which now they disagree with on many accounts of doctrine so much so they are no more than a Christian cult. It is these Puritan that so conditioned all Americans to this heinous attack on the gay community and blinded them from researching history and studying and hearing testimonies of gays.
Who is deceived?
Arsenokoites Occurs Only 76 Times In Extant Greek Manuscripts In The First 2100 Years Of Greek History
It would be nice if Christians that think gay is sin can go to historical documents and produce this word to be a word that is about real gays in a loving caring long term relationships str8s would call marriage if it were a man and a woman. Jesus spoke words and these also are history that cannot be changed. That is what is good about history it is a done deal and so anyone can study it. Covering it up demand it to be uncovered. We know so much more about real history than just a short time ago. We also know great details about events that previously were just a short paragraph in school.
“Born Eunuch” is a phrase that is extremely significant. Studies into 10s of 1000s of ancient document around Jesus’ day that have a very very strict criteria to discover real gays in Jesus day find “Born Eunuch” means equivalent to gays we know today. Meaning the attraction like str8 have to opposite sex they have towards same sex. This is not the universal sexual immorality str8 recognize so easily in the str8 community like adultery, rape, gang rape, prostitutions and many other abuses. Sexual immorality is a human thing not an orientation thing. If you are human, you could commit and probably will or have committed sexual immorality. An orientation is based in the pursuit of love and marriage and the requirement of this term marriage is not reflective of one’s wishes. It is easy to understand what is involved in marriage. Meeting someone, dating them, falling in love with them, then marrying them. These steps often get nasty and hard and painful, but this does not stop its pursuit. Most str8s go through a number of partners before finding one to settle down with and even these often (60%) fail. Yet it still seems very easy for str8s to recognize the short comings of dating and marrying, but maintain generally it is right in God’s site and the bumps along the way are just that. WHY then does this change with gays? Why do Christians so often merge all sex acts into one act and call it an orientation? Gang Rape, Male temple prostitutes, expensive call boys (often str8 men are at least the clients of these prostitutes by fact of history’s documentations) be made the same as a marriage relationship?
If you say gay is in the Bible (and it is, just not in the verses used to condemn gays) then also produce facts. Bring forth your research and study or others that have done this so that gays and str8s can see real facts and real correct translations of ancient Bible words. Part of the problem is also built into modern versions. This is a serious deception to most Christian whether gay or str8. Modern version has history going back to Westcott and Hort then back to the 2nd century. These bibles are so deceptive I call them satan counterfeit bibles.
GE:1:27.and the purpose.ge:1:28
These verses are part of this 700 yr old false doctrine I talked about above. And as usual Homophobes just can’t bring themselves to explain how they get gays into the verses.
Gen 1:27-28 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. (KJV)
This is a complete cop out because it does not condemn gays and does not mention a million other issues in the world that would have to be addressed because they would also have to be sin because they were not mentioned either. What’s more:
Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. KJV)
This Hebrew word RIB has some very important consequences in translating it to a most accurate modern day word we can understand as to the extent of its meaning. The best word today for it is CELL FROM THAT RIB. This means for all intensive purposes Steve was indeed in the DNA and this is not an area of guessing or wishing but FACT.
also read le;20:13 Le:18:22 1co:6:9
These verses again are in the 14 verses anti-gay doctrine. 1 Cor 6:9 was added in 1850 at a clergy convention because prior to this date it was taught masturbators would not inherit and they 100% every human commits this act so heaven would be empty. In 1946, the two Greek words were removed in modern version Bible and inserted was a word that was not in the Bible and though Paul did have as many as 9 Greek words to describe gays Paul used the word for male temple prostitute. Paul walked the streets in both Corinth and Rome and saw a fertility temple on every corner, which all had their fertility male temple prostitutes that their clients were most likely str8 men. Again the main Greek word is documented only 76 times in 2100 years and none of these documents show any sign or hint to real gays.
Both Leviticus accounts require study to learn meaning. Moses was leading the Hebrew people to the Promised Land. During those 40 years Hebrew men are known to have stopped off often at fertility temple along the way for ritual sex with their sacred male prostitutes.
The word man in Hebrew is significant. Many words both in Greek and Hebrew have a few words where as English has one word for all meanings. Example everyone knows is LOVE. Greek has up to 5 words English requires additional words to explain the one word we have.
The word man that was used in both Leviticus accounts means “practicing str8 man” meaning nearly 100% of one side of the sex acts were done by married Hebrew men. (Believing they would receive blessing for their family and greed). Abomination in every use in the Bible both Greek and Hebrew again are very specific and had to include acts that was part of the process of worshipping other gods and goddesses. There is no leeway to input additional meanings like it was just a disgusted hated thing. Now one verse in the Bible uses a form of the word abomination that actually does mean disgusted hated thing, but this was used to describe eating foods sanctified to other gods.
The womankind word I s define upfront as first an adulterous woman, this is in line with God is a Jealous God and so going after other gods is adultery as you belong to God. God often describes his people’s relationship to him as a marriage.
The second man in these chapters is the sodomite (sacred male temple prostitute). This is so easy to see without going very deep into research. Paul visited a temple in fact the most famous in Corinth. It had over 1000 temple prostitutes and it also had that statue to the unknown god Paul used in a later book.
Homophobes have one thing in common they want gays to read their verses as though the implication that gay is sin is some sort of magical fact and reading would magically convince a gay person to be str8. However, like in Romans 1:18-32 to a gay person this is so disgusting that any human could possibly think and say those acts describe gays. They just do not even remotely describe gays. The common thread of homophobes is to call gays gang rapists and male temple prostitutes and engaging in mad wild orgies.
People take time to think through your thoughts before you speak them. If you think gay is sin and you have no doubt give us your confidence by showing what made you so sure you are right. To date over 800,000 homophobes has responded to me is some fashion. I have yet not been able to get even one of them, not the most Bible educated to the lay Christian picking up the Bible for the first time to explain how they get sodomite to mean gay or that gang rape is a great way the Bible condemn gays. It is always an assumed deal for homophobes that requires no explanation more than God hates it, it’s in the Bible, or here is the verse read it so simple.
Past this, they want to tell me part A goes in part B as though they are experts in biology. 650 million gays in the world and they want somehow this happened because we somehow chose to sin. That in the deepest farthest places on Earth from modern conviences people somehow magically chose to be attracted to same sex. Jesus love gays and is not asking them to change and more than this He got big plans for the Church concerning gays which homophobes don’t have a clue because they can’t get past their hatred to see the love God will be showing them through gays.
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