Romv11 YouTube comment 1Cor. 6:9

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This is not right its a sign of the end times. How someone can have their head screwed on so wrong is beyond me. Most people do not hate gays, but it is sin.Being gay You are using your bodys in an unnatural way.

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romv11 made several comment on my video above which I responded to earlier. I wanted romv11 to explain how romv11 got gays into the Bible. romv11 does this below:

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Re: you are a typical homophobe ......more Hi John I am going to need some time to respond to all you wrote .  interesting how you start out your videos You start out saying....."gay is not sin" This is what i think every time I hear that If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousnes. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. God help save pity and defend us Ron ( more cut and paste) Sent to: gays4jesus

gays4jesus: Yes, at the start of all my TV from the first one to now I say “gay is not sin”. I have been doing this since my 1^st program in 1985. This is because GAY IS NOT SIN PERIOD. Saying “gay is not sin” is not saying gays have no sin. Often homophobe believe because gay might say gay is not sin that to them means they are saying gays do not sin.

Killing someone is sin, but because you never killed anyone does not you sin. I ask you why are you using 1 John 1:8 or 1 John 1:10 is not a way for you to defend you claim that gay is sin. The issue is not that gays are sinners just like all str8s, the issue is are any of the verses you use talking about gays and that is a resounding NO!

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	ronv11	So again explain how you get gays in the Bible Hi John you wrote " I would be very happy to go over verse by verse anything you think says gay is sin." can you please explain these 7 different versions of 1Corinthians 6 : 9 it seems you are on thin ice, in fact all the ice is gone, and you need to be saved . God help us all ( time is short repent while you can) Ron gays4jesus: Today there are maybe more than 100 versions. This issue is not about gays BUT ABOUT Bible versions, (all modern versions flat out are satan counterfeits. This different topic can be discussed if you like, but a simple study of Westcott and Hort can give you some basics. Thin ice? I want you to explain how arsenokoites means gays. FACT this word was used 76 times in a period from Paul to the 15th century give or take a few years depending on your sources. By Christian writers it was used 56 times up to around 400-500 AD. This is not guessing and the full writing are available to read. No hint to gays were in Christian writings. Paul’s word though he modified it a little still is based on the Hebrew word qadesh. kaw-dashe'); from 6942; a (quasi) sacred person, i.e. (technically) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry: KJV—sodomite When Paul wrote Romans he did so in the site of the Temple of Aphrodite. I was there a month ago in ancient Corinth and I did hike up the Acrocorinth hill to its top where that temple is located. Many sources say it had over 1000 temple prostitutes. Ancient Corinth had a huge temple of Apollo that could be seen anywhere in the city. I did a TV program from that temple too. All Paul could see as he wrote Romans from Corinth were fertility temples. Athens was the same story. I even preached from the spot Paul did from the statue of the unknown god. The Acropolis was about a 10 minute walk and I had it in my background as I did my program. Paul saw fertility temples everywhere when he wrote. Again I beg you tell me how he got gays from those temples? You can research those times and find gays, there were at least 9 Greek words for gays, Paul use the word for male temple prostitute. Even many modern version acknowledge this, but usually add a word that was not in the Bible. I 1850 at a USA clergy convention they discussed 1 Cor 6:9 and at that time it was taught masterbators would not inherit, they agreed heaven would be empty so who can they insert to take that place and gays were already being condemned for some 600 years so who would care. That is when 1 Cor 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10 was added to the gay is sin false doctrine. 1. New KIng James Version gays4jesus: (Very very corrupt and is not from the KJV) Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 2. New Living Translation Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, 3. New International Version Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 4. English Standard Version Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality 5. New American Standard Bible Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 6. Young's Literal Translation have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites, ( sexual intercourse involving anal or oral copulation.) 7. Textus Receptus (Greek) ἢ οὐκ οἴδατε ὅτι ἄδικοι βασιλείαν θεοῦ οὐ κληρονομήσουσιν μὴ πλανᾶσθε οὔτε πόρνοι οὔτε εἰδωλολάτραι οὔτε μοιχοὶ οὔτε μαλακοὶ οὔτε ἀρσενοκοῖτα (google translate ) oidate the essential injustice that kingdom of God lest my klironomήsousin deceived neither fornicators, nor adulterers, nor eidololάtrai not soft homosexual Sent to: gays4jesus

gays4jesus: 733 arsenokoites (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace); from 730 and 2845; a sodomite: KJV-- abuser of (that defileself) with mankind.

I tend to prefer Strongs, generally widely accepted by Assemblies of God, though in the past couple of decades they have been turn to the NIV which is probably the most corrupt version. http://gays4jesus.com/HebrewGrammer.html is a link to show you the breakdown of the Hebrew and Greek on the verses used against gays. At least look at it. So many homophobes just reject anything if a gay person sent it , said it or referred to it. Homophobe only present studies done by other homophobes.

How can you even remotely be able to explain a verse if you are using Bible with 50,000 to 80,000 corruptions depending on the modern version you use. Westcott and Hort were not just Bible translators that got their entire translation to be the Official Church of England’s Bible (15^th century this corrupt version became the Catholics official Bible) Those insisting to use satan counterfeit Bibles should at least use the verse to search out the original Hebrew/Greek and not rely on modern dictionaries. As for Google it depends on your key word search and what of the 10s of 1000s of pages you select to use. Google I love because you can get to originals in anything. The Bible tells us in the endtimes we will have access to about all knowledge which we do, depends again on keyword searching. Bias is bias, but research has no limits except what the researcher sets. Knowledge and truth require seeking. You don’t get it with just a few minutes on Google.

http://gays4jesus.com/Books.htm has some books by Sylvia Pennington. I had her on my TV program a few times back in the 80s. She was the first to have best sellers on the gay issues of that day. She work in maybe the most well know ex-gay ministry ad she is an Assemblies of God woman. This was when you could count modern versions more easily. She actually put in her book most of the 39 or so versions for 1 Cor 6:9 in which none agreed to the verses meaning. Today there are who knows how many modern versions, but all coming from the same source “Westcott and Hort”.

600 of the 700 years since the creation of the anti-gay doctrine 1 Cor 6:9 was not in the doctrine. The 12^th century was time that so many changes came to the Church not only the anti-gay doctrine but how we get married today. Marriage as we know it is direct from pagan marriage custom base in their fertility gods. So many pagan became Christians then these custom came over to Christianity and evolved into what is assume a Christians heritage.

The actual meaning of 1 Cor 6:9 is catamite and sodomite which means expensive call boy or young man meaning not street prostitute, but a person that you needed to go through channel to hire and they would in public appear to be lovers of the wealthy clients. This was a well-known status symbols of wealthy Corinthian men.

1 Cor 6:9 has had so many facelifts of the years and have been taught so many ways. In King James day (he is a well known transvestite and now known was gay) the verse meant “weak and spineless”. Other times one was a boy the other a ped. For some time in the USA it was masturbators hence the change to be taught gays won’t inherit. In 1946 arsenokoites and malakos were removed and a non Bible word homosexual inserted. There is a word that is almost pronounce the same as arsenokoites but spelled defiantly and does not have the same meaning but that would could mean gays, but it was not used by Paul.

Are you getting the idea of what I mean when I say explain how you get gays into the Bible? If I can spend this much writing and give you barely the tip of the iceberg of information, why can’t you and other homophobes present why they say gay is sin? I know you can paste a verse in like I said, but again all you do is say “can you please explain these 7 different versions of 1Corinthians 6 : 9 it seems you are on thin ice, in fact all the ice is gone” . Why can’t you explain word meaning and real gays in Jesus or Paul’s day. Here is a site that goes into deep detail about real gays in Jesus day http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/thesis.htm

Now since you have actually came back to me thinking you can paste some verses as though you are such the knowledgeable person can you again come back with something Like how I am going the extra mile with you showing gay is not sin. If you so believe you ought to be able to show mean ancient material in a little more detail than a modern version pasting of a verse.

Maybe the worst thing you said was saying I need to accept Jesus and repent. You concept of repenting is be str8, repentance is a subject that is so abused and misused to heap guilt on the innocent that the topic of repenting as a discussion point needs to be a separate issue as am quite passionate on the topic and the misuse of the word repent.

Concerning my salvation I had already told you much about my walk with Jesus. You said “, and you need to be saved .” I have some of my testimony online http://gays4jesus.com/Testimony.htm The horrors of homophobes is they so blatantly reject testimonies of gays. I am 65 been a Pentecostal Christian since Jan. 1974, been on TV since 1985 don’t you think I might have a walk with Jesus to talk about? I have had 3 major instant miraculous physical healings as well, beside lots of minor healing and 1000s of specifically answered prayers in the detail prayed for. I have nightly vision dreams and Jesus talks with me and much more. But do you care. Homophobes say it is satan not God can you image (of course you can that is what you think too) What do you suppose God thinks when you tell someone they are not saved and they are? Read my challenge http://gays4jesus.com/challenge.htm get your church to invite me let’s check it out is God with me or not. I am willing to stand up for my faith are you willing to stand up for your homophobic belief? Inviting me to your church http://gays4jesus.com/InviteMe2.htm is the process.

Now try to be decent and really give me some real info to your homophobic belief. thanks