Thomas L. Pedigo May 30 at 11:35am Report
If you know exactly what you are framing, then you are dead wrong, John. I've also been preaching for over 35 years, have had my own TV program and daily radio show as well.
Gays4jesus: Yes, and so has TBN, and Kenneth Copeland, and so has many churches and others. Gays have been condemned for 700 years. So your 35 years of preaching is based on a 700 yr old false doctrine on gays.
"Gayness" is not a primary Bible verse or doctrine.
Gays4jesus: it has to be for the numbers of people like you that use 14 of its verses to condemn gays and you do it figously, but without any sort of backup as to how you get gays into any verse.
Homosexual orientation is not God's "perfect will" for humanity - but in His permissive will He still loves you and those who have a different sexual bent.
Gays4jesus: You say it is not, so how did you come up with that, just your statement. 700 million gays today and nearly that many previous times. And when you look into gay lives what you see is an uncanny perfectness. It has amazed me to no end how gays match up. Each having whatever is needed in a relationship. Talk about perfectness it is utterly perfect in gay relationships. You just state it is not because you hate gays and you yourself can’t think of the thought of having a same sex partner, this does not make something wrong just because you like opposite relationship. Get the Bible out and I know any verse you come up with to try to backup this stance I can show you it is not as you say. You look at the Bible as to condemn what you personally are conditioned to hate. Again 700 million gays (soon to be anyway) and you don’t take even a second of your time to see how real gays live.
It's easy for you to throw around the word "homophobe" - I don't "fear" homosexuals but I do feel sorrow and pity for them.
Gays4jesus: Homophobe is a word I use to show a person that refuses to study, that will only state gay is sin. You do in fact fear gays, you just won’t admit it. If you start showing explanations of verses using history, language, and more, but you don’t you stand by it is assumed to be sin and so no one should question it. Do you feel sorrow or pity for any str8 married couple? Not meaning one of the tons of hurting families, but otherwise happy ordinary Joe and Mary next door. Because 700 million gays most are very ordinary they have good jobs in good relationships, not hurting and so forth so why your sorrow and pity, oh yes you believe they are going to hell just because you say its in the Bible, and it does not matter they accepted Jesus like you did.
And I'm sure you and I could throw scriptures and interpretations back and forth.
Gays4jesus: Nothing to do with throwing verses back and forth I am asking you to back up the verses you use. 14 verses should be simple:
6945 qadesh (kaw-dashe'); from 6942; a (quasi) sacred person, i.e. (technically) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry: KJV-- sodomite, unclean.
6942 qadash (kaw-dash'); a primitive root; to be (causatively, make, pronounce or observe as) clean (ceremonially or morally): KJV-- appoint, bid, consecrate, dedicate, defile, hallow, (be, keep) holy (-er, place), keep, prepare, proclaim, purify, sanctify (-ied oneself,), X wholly. 6943 Qedesh (keh'-desh); from 6942; a sanctum; Kedesh, the name of four places in Palestine: KJV-- Kedesh.
This is the key word in 7 of the 14 verses people use to say gay is sin. So the 14 become 8 verses. One verse is about gang rape, another about ritual orgies, one is just a statement God mad Adam and Eve, but the “RIB” means “CELL” so Steve was in the DNA. I can show you these things and I do this when I preach, I do not just say gay is not sin I back up my mouth, You on the other hand just state gay is sin and expect that to be Bible FACT.
But ultimately, the GREATEST COMMANDMENT and "primary belief" is to "love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength." Hopefully, you will not argue with tat. And the SECOND is like it, "Love your neighbor as yourself." Unlike many evangelicals,
Gays4jesus: When you talk about gays you don’t just play like who you are talking to is a person that needs milk. When you have a bunch of people to give a sermon to I can see teaching about the Greatest Commandments is relaevant, but I been in the Assemblies of God for 36 years so I got plenty of milk so let’s stick to the meat of the topic , you need to explain how you got arsenokoites to mean gay. 56 times after Paul used the word it was written down by Christians during the next 1600 years, over all in a 2100 year period it was used 76 times. These are documented in the full articles the word was used in so you can see how it was used so then have to explain how you NOW say it means gays. This also has a history. 1850 is when in the USA which influenced the whole world thereafter started using arsenokoites to mean gays. But as homophobes go they have to leave verses that might indicate same sex and go to other verses to try to show how bad gays are because they are auto sin.
I try to love and show respect for those with a homosexual orientation.
Gays4jesus: Love and hate are behaviors, so you say trying to love and respect the behavior that you do not show how you get gays to be sin using verses, but instead assume it is sin and assume gang rape means gay is sin, this it hate behavior. Love would take the needed time to show “arsenokoites” means gay. Now you cannot show any verse to mean gay so your only recourse is to stick to the assuming it is sin so this way you can love your hate and condemn gays by just stating it is sin.
But, I am not a homophobe for believing that it is not part of God's perfect plan.
Gays4jesus: You are homophobic simply because you don’ do something like this:
1. "And you shall not lie with a man of lyings with woman..." (g)
2. "And you shall not lie with a man of those lying with woman..." (p)
3. "And you shall not lie with a man who has lyings with woman..." (g,p)
4. "And you, of those lying with woman, shall not lie with a man..." (p)
5. "And you, of lyings with woman, shall not lie with a man..." (g)
6. "And you, having lyings with woman, shall not lie with a man..." (g)
7. "And you shall not lie with a man (as you have) lyings with woman..." (g)
1. "And you shall not lie with a man (like you have) lyings with woman..." (g)
2. "And you shall not lie with a man (while you have) lyings with woman..." (g)
8. "And you shall not lie in beds of woman with a man..." (g)
9. "And you shall not lie lyings of woman with a man..." (g)
10. "And you shall not lie with a man as a woman lies..." (g)
11. "And you shall not lie with a man as (one) lies with woman..." (g)
12. "And you shall not lie with a man as (you) lie with woman..." (g)
13. "And you shall not lie with a man as with woman..." (g)
Gays4jesus: show 13 possible correct translations to English one paragraph or a very professional presentation. The rest would show that the 3 potential ways that could mean simply man with man would render in Hebrew the sentence unreadable. But the other 10 ways leave the Hebrew sentence understandable. This renders to the English that the first man has to be a “practicing str8 man”. I copied a part of the article that goes into much more detail that the verse is completely not talking about gays. You see in Moses’ day Hebrew men did in fact often go to fertility temple prostitutes the Bible calls “sodomites” Paul actually toured a temple in Corinth that had over 1000 temple prostitutes and that statue of the unknown god. When you refuse to explain how you got gays into a verse you are homophobic. What are you afraid of? That in your 35 years of preaching you do not know how to explain how you get gays into the Bible so when someone ask you to do so you avoid that with a passion.
Unfortunately, in this fallen world in which we are born and live, these things happen.
Gays4jesus: fallen world? Shall we now go into deep do do to show what fallen means and who are those behind fallen? FALLEN is a huge topic and that is a churchwide issue of the last days in which great shaking will occur to correct this fallen state condition. One part of this bas state the Church is in is their complete disregard to gays. 700 years ago the Church amputated gays out of the body of Christ, this was a very bad thing and today the consequences for that and other such acts by the Church leaves us in need of the 1260 days of Church wide shaking coming up. Again though look this takes us off topic isn’t that your real goal so you donot have to explain how you get fertility temple ritual orgies means gay is sin.
I don't judge you as a person....
Gays4jesus: When you state gay is sin with nothing to back up how you got gay to be sin then you are judging all gays sending them to hell without help.
I am NOW curious as to why you thought you had to advertise your Gay Pentecostals for Jesus on Ted Haggard's Facebook?
Gays4jesus: I am sorry are you blind as a bat, haven’t you been following Ted at all, did you lose all your marble? Ted I think is a fantastic human being. He was such a homophobe, He was at the top of the list of household names of big time homophobes. He is also Assemblies of God and much into last days events. He had much the same belief as I do. His outing as it were gave him new revelation toward people. Try to behave yourself I am not saying I think he is gay or I think he is still closeted this is not my topic here.. You asked why TED’s Facebook. It is because I had a 100% turn around on my attitude about him ever since he came on Larry King Live. My hats off to him. He is amazing now on his perspective of Jesus and people. Didn’t you watch Larry King? Well you should have. Hardly matter if Ted thinks techniquely gay is sin or not, what matters is how he responds to the issue. Who wouldn’t want to hear his testimony on how he now thinks people matter and is not willing to condemn 100s of millions to hell like you do based on your conditioning and not the Bible. If you say you base it on the Bible, re read what I have written to you, because you are not basing gays on what the Bible says. I do not go to orgies, I am not a gang rapist and I am not a male temple prostitute like you are telling me I am.
What were you trying to accomplish?...
Gays4jesus: http://gays4jesus.com is my worldwide ministry outreach this is what I am trying to accomplish, reaching the lost for Christ and helping the Saved stay Saved till the Rapture because Great Deceptions are here and more coming. My ministry is to pastors around the world. Mine is a faith healing ministry and much more that is what my calling is, thanks for asking.
it was your secondary issue of gayness - to me, not unity or love for God or love for others.
Gays4jesus: So posting a exciting new outreach of 24/7 live and recorded “Gays For Jesus” TV programs is a secondary issue? Is inviting Ted for an interview so he can give his thoughts with no conditions a secondary issue? Is reaching the Lost for Christ a secondary issue? I don’t understand your meaning (yes I do it is you see the word gay so you react from your conditioning) I am 63 years old and ever fiber of my being is for the Lord and those he loves and just who does he love and died for? John 3:16 For God so loved the world. . .
You are focused on ONE unfortunate issue.
Gays4jesus: I have about 20 sites and in ministry since 1974 so tell me did you research my ministry to come up with that statement? Do you know who pops up to my screen name? I have up to 20 chat messenger going all the time, I been in Christian chat rooms nearly daily since 1985 have you seen the people that come to me because of this screen name alone? I cannot keep pastor away from me from all over the world. Concerning a part of my ministry to homophobes my screen name brought over 800,000 homophobes in a 3 year period. I stopped counting in the late 80s. yes I guess you are right I am focused on one issue. Funny though my most interests lies in prophecy being fulfilled and Jesus soon return. But I must be mistaken since you say I have only one focus on some unfortunate issue.
To be frank (in your words), I find your comment to me insulting, condescending and perjorative.
Gays4jesus: Praise God so you get the idea of what your word are like to gays. “insulting, condescending and pejorative” You don’t even have any conscious at all concerning the lives of gays, you won’t spend a second on your mouth to make sure what comes out has some backing. Ted has changed, though all too often to get people to see beyond their conditioning often takes a tragedy. Parents discover the kid is gay and it is hard to hear their pastor saying their kid is going to hell so the parent studies and learns gay is not sin. Pastors are closeted till they are caught and outed so they have to have great tragedy to re-constitute their lives. These are mild form of some traumatic event that often is how people change from severe habits and conditionings. For you you are in bondage to a 700 year conditioning concerning gays. It is not going to be easy to get you to see you have been conditioned to believe rape is the same word as gay. For you it is NOW not possible for you to discern there is a difference between orgies and love between two people. Does it just has to take a crushing tragic event, or by chance can you study and you research can you step back and look at gay testimonies and come to see you were wrong. I personally don’t think it possible for many like you to come along on your own, you need God to interview. Please don’t think God is slow at this, blacks were 400 years and still have trouble with rights and respect today. The Bible has prophecy on this topic and that Jesus is holding back till it is fulfilled. There is a prophetic purpose that so many Christians are blind. Come on Israel Jesus is your Messiah, yet many do come over, but it will not happen till that time in a moment they will see whom they pierced so it is with some issues in the Church blindness in part is maintain for God to Glorify himself at that time he opens your eyes. Can you hear me, I think not how can you hear a gay person they are living in sin they can’t possibly have anything from God, God certainly will not give them revelations right? You can’t know because you refuse to listen. I bet when or if you write back you will do as you did simply in some manner say I am nuts and gay is sin and you will not explain it.
But I praise God for you because you give me tools to minister. I can answer the things you say and put them out on my site for other can see how homophobe condemn. The consistency with homophobes is they never ever explain why they think a verse is talking about gays. I started in 1974 100% public info from Christian and world was negative. Today, it has passed the 50/50 it took blacks 400 years, gays 36 year. But to be fare really about 62 years because that was when a secular psychiatrist woman began researching gays because her personal life she had some friends that were gay and it was not matching the sick gays in her hospital’s care and her colleges. From her marked the not turning back wave to bring back dignity to gays. In 1967 God gave gay Cathartics place to worship, in 1968 Protestant gays, and in 1969 secular gays (gay parades celebrates this 1969 event). By the time I began involvement with the gay community in 1970 the ay community already was well established but no so publically. Most large cities were gay Christian churches. But I was the first yes little old me was the first guaranteed openly gay Christian (and that Pentecostal too) in Christian chat rooms. I said a lot of what I am saying today and what you hear often from other gay Christians and non-gay but supportive Christians I was saying back then pre-1985 in Christian chat rooms. Not saying I had anything to do with it but it is a FACT I was in these room hundreds of them and sometime with up to 20 screen names and every day almost since then. There were only a couple places for chat rooms back them that had any sort of following and numbers. AOL and Yahoo were to big ones another one is long gone. There I was the only openly gay Christian day after day. Had the same screen name and when I went into the room my name immediately took over the conversation. Usually the rooms held 50 people and went several deep, today the 50 room has been cut down and because of str8 hookers many restrictions. But there I was basically running Christian chat rooms for years daily they had to talk about gays because there was my name and I knew the topic and could answer the toughest questions and the most educated were like you refuse to explain, but like you just flat out don’t know because you won’t study. That’s my ace up the sleeve is STUDY, once you do this the same answer are there because they are the FACTS and the truth. Finally other openly gay Christians would begin to speak up in these chat rooms. I also wrote to all the big time preachers and often they would hand write back to me. Paul Crouch sent a few hand written letters back to me as an example. Today going anywhere you are likely to run into a person that is very comfortable supporting gays. Christians and pastors openly and secretly support gays. WHY, your only possible answer is evil is growing worse as we get close to Jesus’ return. But the problem is why do you have to lie about gays, why do you ignore gay testimony. I am Pentecostal, speak in tongues, I been physically healed dramatically instantly 3 times. 1000s of answered prayers and not just vague prayers but pretty detailed and hardly likely could happen. Some happen within 5 to 15 minutes and were a complex prayer to boot. 200 assemblies of God pastors prophesied over me in my first 10 years before I came to the TV ministry which is a fulfillment of some of those prophecies. But do you care enough to look at gay testimony. Are you talking to me because of a fluke? Sorry, if God was going to use you to help me turn str8 you really need to know your Bible and so far you are not showing me that 35 years on TV has gotten you to know you Bible well enough to answer the simple question how do you get a man got to an adulteress woman to be an example of a gay couple like me and my lover Stef, He has been with me almost 21 years now.
If your 35 years means with TED, then it was not you on TV it was TED there is a difference from being part of a ministry and being THE ministry. TED is THER ministry not you. You may believe in it and so stayed 35 years. Otherwise tell me about your 35 years on TV preaching. Either you were very local and so only known locally sort of like me, though my programs techniquely has been seen by at least one person in every country. I know this because I was chatting with them and they used their pc cam to show their monitor and sure enough I was on his/her screen preaching. My claim is true. But thinking about your 35 yrs. makes me think it was really TED not you. Does not matter I get your point..
Well I wrote a lot partly for others to read and also hopefully to get you to reply with more thought than thinking you’ were insulted.
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