landmark777@aol.com says, “everyone you tell this lie to their blood will be on your hands.”

From: landmark777@aol.com [mailto:landmark777@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:21 PM
To: gays4jesus@gays4jesus.com
Subject: New Harvest Ministries

Hello,

gays4jesus: You are not saying “hello” more appropriately from you would have been just “your are going to hell” “hello” is a friendly jester of greeting not of about to attack.
My name is Evangelist Mark Poff and I'm with New Harvest Ministries from Kingsport Tennessee.

gays4jesus: I am John 35 years in the Assemblies of God, weekly preaching on TV since 1985, a Pentecostal 62 year old gay man and been with my lover for 20 years..
I came across your website by mistake.

gays4jesus: God does not make mistakes; you came across my website by his direction. You did not come to me to tell me gay is wrong, you were sent to me so you could hear “gay is not sin and Jesus is not asking the gay person to change and be str8”

I saw where you all believe that a person can be gay and still go to heaven.

gays4jesus: Yes, this took an accumulation of a lifetime of studying. However, it takes less than a few minutes to know many of the verses used against gays does not talk about gays. You see you need to know history and how the ancient Bible words were used in those days. You also need to know how certain GREEK or HEBREW words were written down by Christian ministers that we have today documented. Such as “arsenokoites”. Since Paul and for the next 1600 years it can only be shown to have been used 76 times by Christians. The entire documents by these writers are intact and so their entire writing is preserved so there is no guessing what they wrote. This word used commonly today to mean” gays” was never used for gays but was used for sex out of species. We also know for an absolute FACT Paul walked the streets of Rome and Corinth and it could almost be said there was a fertility temple on every corner, these temples had known “male temple prostitutes”. It is not written that Paul went to real gay couples and observed how they lived. But it is again a known FACT that Paul toured the largest fertility temple and in that temple was the statue to the known god. In that temple as a FACT again was over 1000 temple prostitutes and many orgy rooms. Ritual sex was common and Hebrews turned to these other gods and joined in this ritual sex. This is not guessing or wishing. You as an evangelist should have long ago learned about these temples Paul could see every day from about anywhere he would be.

HAVE YOU ALL LOST YOUR MINDS!!!!

gays4jesus: I guess I have if you call studying the loosing of one’s mind. Gays just don’t come to Jesus to just find a way to justify anything about their lives. Gays comes to Jesus because “God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son” God is “TRUTH” “seek the truth and the truth shell set you free” seeking the truth means doing a lot of studying and research. After all so many Christians condemns gays a gay person often has to really go much deeper in the Bible than str8 Christians.

The bible clearly say for man NOT to
lay with man. For a man to be with a man is SIN, and sin WILL NOT enter heaven.

gays4jesus: this “the Bible clearly says” phrase is so common with homophobes, but missing 100% of the time is to show where it is talking about real gays. 7 of the 14 verses used against gays use the word for “male temple prostitute”. Well gays are not male temple prostitutes and you know this, this is what is so sick about so many homophobes they act so stupid like they think male temple prostitute and gay are the same word.

In the verse:

Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (KJV)

The is the original Hebrew. Right in many translations it will tell you often some word the full meaning is not brought over. We know the Greek word love has a few word while English has one word and so English needs more words to explain what kind of love and the Greek just needs the one word and you know the meaning. I Lev. 20:13 the Hebrew word man has a very specific one word meaning that translator don’t bring over. Translators say man, but reading in Hebrew it is “practicing str8 man”. What’s more the entire verse can actually correctly be translated to English 13 ways. 3 of those ways can actually say simply “man” however, using the simple “man” here would destroy and render the verse un-readable by Hebrew readers. The other 10 ways to translate the verse keeps the verse readable in Hebrew, but explain to English readers exactly what kind of man it is. It is a man that has been having sex with women and loves it. One of the men in the Lev. Story is str8. The other man is a “temple prostitute”. The word “abomination” is used in many forms in the OT and the NT and many times. Listing every form of it in the Bible you get quite a list of verses. All but one has the same rendering and that is it just has to be disgusting because it is worshipping other gods. The act must be that of a ritual to other gods specifically.

This is used in the man with man and must include other god rituals:

8441 tow` ebah (to-ay-baw'); or to` ebah (to-ay-baw'); feminine active participle of 8581; properly, something disgusting (morally), i.e. (as noun) an abhorrence; especially idolatry or (concretely) an idol: KJV-- abominable (custom, thing), abomination.

This is what should have been in the man with man verse if you really wanted it to be just disgusting snf this is how homophobes wants the man with man to mean:

8262 shaqats (shaw-kats'); a primitive root; to be filthy, i.e. (intensively) to loathe, pollute:

KJV-- abhor, make abominable, have in abomination, detest, X utterly. 8262 shaqats (shaw-kats'); a primitive root; to be filthy, i.e. (intensively) to loathe, pollute: KJV-- abhor, make abominable, have in abomination, detest, X utterly.

The Bible is not up to whatever you want to interrupt a word to mean, it has to mean what it did when it was written not what the future will evolve it to mean.

Yes, God loves the sinner but hates the sin.

gays4jesus: Only God can love the sinner and h ate the sin, when man tries this God act he ends up hating the sinner too and worst he persecutes innocent people far too often.
If your message is you can be gay and still go to heave then your WRONG!!!

gays4jesus: My message has tons of research and backup and I am happy to go into as deep as detail as you want concerning history, the ancient language, real gays of today and of Jesus and Moses’ day. My daily hope and prayer is that just one of you homophobes would do the same, but at least 800,000 and now with you 800,001 homophobes later still no concrete results of homophobes studying and presenting their findings. So far I only get these short phrases from homophobes “God says it”, “it’s in the Bible”, “it’s so simple”, “it so clear”, “it’s sin” sometimes one of the 14 verses (invented by a few powerful Catholic leaders 700 years ago to create scan to purge men from power)”, or some other really short phrase avoiding responsible answers to give to gays that you are so sure are going to hell, but somehow you can’t find time to explain how you get real gays into the Bible.

and for everyone you tell this lie to there blood will be on your hands.

gays4jesus: The real FACT about the Bible is a set 1260 days is prepared to spank the Church for 2000 years of disobedience to God. High on that list is the persecuting of innocent people. My ministry is a “Last Days” ministry. I have been preaching on this since 1985 and so have done tons of research. And though you can’t accept it God reveals many things to me concerning his soon return. 3.5 billion people will be killed that you will see happen if you are not one of the 3.5 billion. Christians will think Jesus forsook them because of an event the TWO Witnesses will perform. False doctrines, conditionings and more must be washed from you before the Rapture. You won’t like the coming message from God until you begin to understand you are wrong about many things.
May God Open Your Eyes,
Evangelist Mark Poff

gays4jesus: I am 62 and I did not come to Jesus on a whim. Jesus came to me and devout atheist for 21 years. There was no way I would believe in any god, so I guess something must have change my mind huh? By the way I was never desperate or a drunk or a druggy or broke or anything that would present need for a hope of deliverance fro sad life. I was 100% convinced because of facts and absolutes that gay was not wrong in any way.

Miracles are almost taken for granite by me. I have had 3 dramatic instant healing in my physical body. Answered prayer is normal for me. Impossible prayers often are answered within the hour at times. Christian near and far go out of their way to tell me God is with me. Pastors confide in me. I can right this moment buy a plane ticket and with a promise from several foreign pastor to have 10,000 people within 4 days ready to hear me. I am boasting because I want to give you some basic fact about my life that you will need to explain away. Often homophobes say satan is giving me all this.

At any time I am willing to go to any homophobe church by myself and deal with the gay issue in a challenge. I.E. your “New Harvest Ministries from Kingsport Tennessee” do all you know to bring God presence or message showing gay is sin. You can operate in the Holy Spirit, as your faith believes. Then after I committed to your process as to willing yield to what you believe so that you can administer your faith through the Lord Jesus Christ. It will be my turn after giving you the time you think something should have would have happened. I then will operate in the holy Spirit calling on the name of Jesus. Please please forgive me because I cheat because I know I have the upper hand and know Jesus will move as I speak. I also know he will not move as you speak on this issue.

I kknow homophobe can’t accept such a challenge so hey, at least write back and tell me why you think anyplace in the bible condemns gays. I am again not asking for a verse quote but a efforted study results that produces how you get “sodomite” to be a Jesus Day word for gays and other such support to your belief that gay is sin. I know you cannot find facts about the bible to condemn gays. All you can do is quote a verse you are conditioned to quote and think it is all you need do. You already gave my your short form of hatred, so now give me why you hate gays by breaking down parts of the verse you think condemns gays. Also, I really got to know why all the ex-gay ministries do not change anyone. I have spent lots of research and first hand interviewing of ex-gays and ex-gay leaders and all their doctrines and processes and beliefs from the denominational background. So please be assured I know the background of the gay issue. You can’t even image what wonderful things God has or what blessings he has bestowed on you direct from those you condemn to hell. Gay Christian are a very active part of the Body of Christ and are being prepared to help you as you more than you can realize.

John