Friday, March 28, 2008

The Power of Jesus Christ through the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and Fire

Jesus Baptizes in fire and the Holy Spirit. So what does this mean?

One strange way to put it is it gives us superpowers which most of us wish we had. satan counterfeits this every chance he gets. But through demons it appears to manifest in demon possession which gives us a sense of superpower and seemingly control over others. It makes us extra ordinary,  but  often bring the opposite of why we wanted superpower in the first place. Drugs gives us escape into a superpower world in our minds. Dreams can take us on ventures no scifi movie can.

Secret societies promise us abilities to control our environment by mental processes as well as controlling people. All of these things often seem to work to various degrees. Some people can work pretty significant powers that amazes us.

We are fascinated by predictions and ancient mysteries. We wish we could save the world. This drives many people to great lengths that often results in  a life that is opposite their root ideas. They often end up hurting others or go off into a world of their own.

Authors write fantastic tails about fantastic adventures, they know how to choke us up on emotional levels in trials and heroics. But mostly it is  just our dreams that mostly never happen. We live mundane lives though perhaps happy enough with no severe side effects of not having our fantasies come true.

Well we can have a as it were superpowers. Though not our own (though the human body and  brain are remarkable and capable or many things). We are meant to be spirit bodies and in every since of  this word "superpower", that it what we will have one day.

 
Age is not a pre-requisite young or old can have superpowers today. When I am talking about superpowers I am not referring to greedy ambitions of wealth and rule over multitudes. This topic is on your personal desires to be able to be a benefit to mankind in good unselfish ways and the joy of going beyond the limitations of our bodies. 

Many people do find degrees of powers above what appears to be the limits of our fleshly bodies. We give these various names. People in the occult. Mystics, masters, predictors and many other kinds of above the normal reaches of people generally. As Christians we readily call most if not all of these ways of the devil. Perhaps they are though many swear beyond any thing that it is God given gift though they do  not have any real concrete evidence of really believing the Bible or mad a personal commitment to the Lord Jesus Christ through a sinners prayer of sorts. There are many mysteries and all are not satan in origin.

So how can a Christian gain "superpowers"? Again as Christians I am meaning decent folk not out for personal gain but desire to serve God and have this feeling of thinking and wanting and wishing you could be special and have powers to do things you just can't do now. I can never stress the importance of your motives. Christians can abuse gifts of God drastically and often.

We can have powers though it is not often called this. I am wanting to explain Baptism in the Holy Spirit differently than is common, but still accurate. Getting Baptized in the Holy Spirit creates an actual change in how you feel inside and you can experience access to the spirit world. Receiving the Baptism in the Holy Spirit means the Holy Spirit comes inside you in a greater function than as a comforter that you get when accepting Jesus as savior. This is a very distinct infilling.  Jesus is the one that does the baptizing on this one.

When you get the Holy Spirit you actually sort of become a superpower. You can do many things that you could not do before. You speak another unlearned language known or unknown. But you can also have various gifts such as laying hands on people and they get healed (you always need to say in the name of Jesus, note: you have the gift and speaking in tongues does not require you say in the name of Jesus I speak in tongues, you just speak in them at will) (so as well you could lay hands on someone and they receive healing without the name of Jesus, this over all is not what you should do or practice, Jesus does the healing not you. The Holy Spirit makes you able to function in healing, but you are actually not the healer, Jesus is.) Always say in the name of Jesus add Christ and rotate Jesus' name if you like (Christ Jesus, Jesus Christ, Jesus) Avoid saying in Christ's name too often, because the specifics is Jesus "Son of God" and functions as the Christ. The name Jesus of "Jesus Christ" is the primary name. Using Christ won't deter healing, but enables focus off Jesus and could lead to the christ rather than the Christ to some.

My point here is to help you operate in your gifts bringing Glory to God through Jesus Christ and to emphasize he is Christ Jesus whom God is Glorified. Sometimes in a busy healing service you can be seeing people healed and the "in the name of Jesus" was not used and the person was only laying hands on the sick and they did get healed. Once again it is important that you know, the gifts is operating through you and people will be healed regardless if you say in Jesus name or not. They could just touch your clothes and get healed. To keep the Glory to GOD keep in mind it is Jesus not you and it is God being Glorified in Jesus not Glorified in you. Don't take the Glory when you noticed you missed saying in the name of Jesus just begin saying it on the next one.

This is for those that may come to think there is something special and magical happening when it is simply Jesus is healing people through a human vessel. Just about guarantee you that you will need to be Baptized in the Holy Spirit to have such healings going through you to others.

Not only healing power or other usual gifts as Acts tells you you will be given severally, but you have a wide variety of not listed gifts. You will be able to use gifts in your personal life which seems selfish , but is not. You are with yourself 24/7/365 and so you know your needs and in your personal life you learn about the Holy Spirit. You can do no more than occasionally speak in tongues or you can spend many hours a day deep in the process of seeking deeper depths into the Holy Spirit. It is the time you want to spend with the HOLY SPIRIT that you can learn other things you can do and cannot do. Does not mean you can say up up and away and fly faster than a speeding bullet or leap buildings at a single bound. IT DOES NOT MEAN YOUR LIFE WILL CHANGE AS YOU KNOW IT. But you can venture into the realm of the spirit world (fairly safely, but also dangerously, satan and demons and unknowns exists there too) so you can reach into outer darkness where hair will stand up and chills dart all over your body as your body sees what it could not see before and the unknown just is a scarey place so knowing this you also know you are covered in the BLOOD and can cast out evil spirit on your journey into the deep where revelations and wonder lay hidden and takes much digging to uncover. Your eyes can see things you never saw before, it is yours for the seeking, but you may suffer if you are not ready to face evil with good. I do not hear many Christian Pentecostal publicly explaining what is available to Christians that are Baptized in the HOLY SPIRIT.

God is more than what you see in church he is throughout the universe and is wonderful and usually you see many wonders you don't know what they are. Sometimes you get revelations and understand what you see. But you can have this power as it is a free gift Jesus wants to give you. Late you will yes leap tall buildings at a single bound when you get your spirit body in THAT day.

Once your are Baptized in the Holy Spirit you won't be the same. Now you will have more things you can do. In the loneliest places you have the vast universe to explore. Or in a crowded places you have the privacy of you and God to see many things. You can do like you see other in Church with the baptism or you can explore the Holy Spirit.






Wednesday, March 5, 2008

Backgorund to Healing Rallies

Prelude to: Invite me to your Church for a Healing Rally


God is leading me into a more physical healing ministry (also maintaining my two main outreaches Gay is not sin concerning the Bible and Last Days Prophecies).
My burden grows each day for the need of openly gay Christians operating in the gifts of the spirit. So I am refocusing emphasis towards an as it were evolved style of your typical Healing Rallies.

Examples of recent of current healing rallies or ministries are Kathryn Kuhlman, Brant Baker, and now Benny Hinn. There are many more over the years and many current ones. Most should know Kathryn’s ministry, but Brant Baker has a lot of controversy around it since he died of aids and was expunged by TBN’s group of ministers. Benny can be said to have copied Brant’s ministry and is giving Brant no mention or credit though he spent quite some time with him. Brant Baker should be someone Christians should look up and learn about and hear some of his sermons and see his healing style. Along with Brant was Lonnie Frisbee. These two have a significant and major impact on Christianity today, but are for the most part expunged because both died of aids in an era little was known about this disease.
All my Christian life beginning in 1974 when I was 27 I felt a strong calling in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I have been healing 3 times physically and these were quite a dramatic and nearly instant healings taking just a few minutes so I can describe it clearly. Each time I was alone and I just called on Jesus to heal me. Of course it was not just a simple oh by the way Jesus will you heal me. Being sick and in pain is hardly fun and crying out to Jesus can be agonizing a fairly desperate for relief. Other places on my sites I go into details about these healings.
I have been exposed to many healing ministries generally that would be considered on the up and up and Bible. I also have seen the more strange attempts to heal people what I would call the New Ager style healings where the healer attempts to push out the bad stuff like somehow we all have the power and we can just swoope out disease with a sweeping motion of the hands. Did not see any healed that way it was s ort of a mind thing.
On Indian reservations one could see wonderful works of the move of the Holy Spirit many of which I never see in your every day Pentecostal churches. But these were very much of God and were amazing. It is the way away for main stream and out on mission fields and remote villages we get to see a move of God like we never see in our nice fancy new church buildings. Though the move of God in the various gifts of the Spirit can be seen like Jericho marches (a circling of the pews where people would just keel over slain in the spirit) your ordinary slain in the spirit where after laying on of hand people keel over and lay there on the ground looking like there are having camp meeting in their minds with Jesus. And many things some well performed operations where a spirit filled person simply lets the Holy Spirit move in their bodies and so a very graceful or worshipful praise full dance. We as spirit filled Christians can fully aware fully in control allow the Holy Spirit to operate your body. You know beyond doubt it is the Holy Spirit.
Yes there are many and some sort of strange things one can see when the Holy Spirit moves. One thing is people get instantly healed at another’s laying on of hands. We all have seen Benny Hinn at work. We either love him or hate him. Is he a fraud? He copied another’s works for sure.
Acts 8:18-19 18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, 19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
This is about what Benny did to make his ministry a healing ministry and TBN did wanted to fill the shoes of both Kathryn’s and Brant’s void so Benny was their perfect choice.
The CHURCH is a source of a lot of confusion with so many voices and so much money behind big ministries that we can see. The little ministries that may have kept their first love are very hard to find or see in the media and they rarely make headlines.
Brant was gay but in those days with no really good model to follow except rigid anti-gay ministers Brant was prey to the conditioning gay was sin. His story is not yet complete as it is pieced together. In his nearing death years he made some changes like dyed his hair blonde and lost concern what anyone thinks about him. This follows the pattern of ex-gays that in time they find Jesus did not change them or really seem to be asking them to change.
Available in those days was a large gay church called MCC, but in those days I attended many MCCs and usually they represented the pastor’s own church background and were comfortable places for those gays that stood out fitting generally concept of who is gay and so in these churches were not the general everyday gays. Downtown Los Angeles where the headquarters of MCC seated about 3000 people and I attended this church several times. It was more like a normal church in that it was harder to tell who was gay though basically everyone was gay.
The founder of MCC was a Four Square pastor. This always confused me because Four Square is Pentecostal. MCC developed into an interfaith church and a all inclusive language Bible (gender free). So any Pentecostal gay Christian attending MCC felt restricted. However, MCC had the first really good roots of showing the anti-gay verses did not condemn gays.
My desires have always been aimed at seeking God to open the doors for gay Pentecostals. It is very interesting to know Brant really is a very good example even though he was forced to have great troubles over this because the 70s and 80s was not good periods for gay Christian’s access to information. God used him and Lonnie in a time when very little positive sources about gays were available.
So, this is a prelude to my blog Invite me to your Church for a Healing Rally

Invite me to your Church for a Healing Rally

HEALING RALLIES
I hold Healing Rallies as part of my ministry. Many Healed, many accept Jesus, many baptized in the Holy Spirit invite me to hold a rally at your church or location http://gays4jesus.com/ then click "invite me"...
Jesus heals physically TODAY touch your screen ask Jesus to heal your area of physical need in the Name of Jesus ..
if healed you tell me mailto:gays4jesus@gays4jesus.com
God is leading me into a more physical healing ministry (also maintaining my two main outreaches Gay is not sin concerning the Bible and Last Days Prophecies).
My burden grows each day for the need of openly gay Christians operating in the gifts of the spirit. So I am refocusing emphisis towards an as it were evolved style of your tipcial Healing Rallies.
You are welcomed to invite me to your church or group for a healing rally. The emphases will be on Jesus, the Bible, salvation, praises and worship. Arrangements negotiations involving your pastor will follow my general “invite me” link above. This would be a time where people will receive physical healing and accompanying move of the Holy Spirit.

I can travel anywhere in the world, but the further from Seattle the more arrangements will be required of course and the more time it will take to set up a date. Locally it could be just days.
I love Jesus and I believe Jesus’ example was heal people should be included as often as you include salvation opportunities to the lost which should be at every gathering in the Lord. I want to encourage you to praise and worship Jesus. He inhabits your praises and you worship him in your spirit. A move toward more frequent reports of more ministries having physical healing miracle is coming. The day of the loner faith healer is coming to a close. It is not just going to be this or that large ministry; it will be many many ministries operating often in these gifts. We offer sinner’s prayer in our services, but the healing stuff is almost left to come up kneel and pray for your needs, but little specific laying on of hands.

I am now available to speak at your church or rally. Many will be healed; many will receive the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and much more. Rise and be healed don’t wait Jesus will heal you right now, just touch this screen ask Jesus to heal you in his Name.

Want to join my ministry and live locally in Seattle happy to hear from you. Distant places let’s talk about what you can do where you are. Anyone can help by clicking the donation button in the side panel of this blog. One dollar helps too.

Thanks and God bless you
John

Bible Concerning Healing

NEW TESTIMENT HEALING VERSES (KJV)

Matt 4:23
23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people. (KJV)
Matt 4:24
24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them. (KJV)
Matt 8:7
7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him. (KJV)
Matt 8:8
8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. (KJV)
Matt 8:13
13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour. (KJV)
Matt 8:16
16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: (KJV)
Matt 9:35
35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people. (KJV)
Matt 10:1
1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. (KJV)
Matt 10:8
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. (KJV)
Matt 12:10
10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. (KJV)

Matt 12:15
15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all; (KJV)
Matt 12:22
22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. (KJV)
Matt 13:15
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. (KJV)
Matt 14:14
14 And Jesus went forth, and saw a great multitude, and was moved with compassion toward them, and he healed their sick. (KJV)
Matt 15:30
30 And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them: (KJV)
Matt 19:2
2 And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there. (KJV)
Matt 21:14
14 And the blind and the lame came to him in the temple; and he healed them. (KJV)
Mark 1:34
34 And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him. (KJV)
Mark 3:2
2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him. (KJV)
Mark 3:10
10 For he had healed many; insomuch that they pressed upon him for to touch him, as many as had plagues. (KJV)
Mark 3:15
15 And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils: (KJV)


Mark 5:23
23 And besought him greatly, saying, My little daughter lieth at the point of death: I pray thee, come and lay thy hands on her, that she may be healed; and she shall live. (KJV)
Mark 5:29
29 And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague. (KJV)
Mark 6:5
5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. (KJV)
Mark 6:13
13 And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them. (KJV)
Luke 4:18
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, (KJV)
Luke 4:23
23 And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country. (KJV)
Luke 4:40
40 Now when the sun was setting, all they that had any sick with divers diseases brought them unto him; and he laid his hands on every one of them, and healed them. (KJV)
Luke 5:15
15 But so much the more went there a fame abroad of him: and great multitudes came together to hear, and to be healed by him of their infirmities. (KJV)
Luke 5:17
17 And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them. (KJV)
Luke 6:7
7 And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether he would heal on the sabbath day; that they might find an accusation against him. (KJV)


Luke 6:17
17 And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people out of all Judaea and Jerusalem, and from the sea coast of Tyre and Sidon, which came to hear him, and to be healed of their diseases; (KJV)
Luke 6:18
18 And they that were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed. (KJV)
Luke 6:19
19 And the whole multitude sought to touch him: for there went virtue out of him, and healed them all. (KJV)
Luke 7:3
3 And when he heard of Jesus, he sent unto him the elders of the Jews, beseeching him that he would come and heal his servant. (KJV)
Luke 7:7
7 Wherefore neither thought I myself worthy to come unto thee: but say in a word, and my servant shall be healed. (KJV)
Luke 8:2
2 And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, (KJV)
Luke 8:36
36 They also which saw it told them by what means he that was possessed of the devils was healed. (KJV)
Luke 8:43
43 And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any, (KJV)
Luke 8:47
47 And when the woman saw that she was not hid, she came trembling, and falling down before him, she declared unto him before all the people for what cause she had touched him, and how she was healed immediately. (KJV)
Luke 9:2
2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick. (KJV)
Luke 9:6
6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where. (KJV)


Luke 9:11
11 And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing. (KJV)
Luke 9:11
11 And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing. (KJV)
Luke 9:42
42 And as he was yet a coming, the devil threw him down, and tare him. And Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, and healed the child, and delivered him again to his father. (KJV)
Luke 10:9
9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you. (KJV)
Luke 13:14
14 And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day. (KJV)
Luke 13:14
14 And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day. (KJV)
Luke 14:3
3 And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day? (KJV)
Luke 14:4
4 And they held their peace. And he took him, and healed him, and let him go; (KJV)
Luke 17:15
15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, (KJV)
Luke 22:51
51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him. (KJV)
John 4:47
47 When he heard that Jesus was come out of Judaea into Galilee, he went unto him, and besought him that he would come down, and heal his son: for he was at the point of death. (KJV)

John 5:13
13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place. (KJV)
John 12:40
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. (KJV)
Acts 3:11
11 And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon's, greatly wondering. (KJV)
Acts 4:14
14 And beholding the man which was healed standing with them, they could say nothing against it. (KJV)
Acts 4:22
22 For the man was above forty years old, on whom this miracle of healing was shewed. (KJV)
Acts 4:30
30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus. (KJV)
Acts 5:16
16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one. (KJV)
Acts 8:7
7 For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed. (KJV)
Acts 10:38
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. (KJV)
Acts 14:9
9 The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, (KJV)
Acts 28:8
8 And it came to pass, that the father of Publius lay sick of a fever and of a bloody flux: to whom Paul entered in, and prayed, and laid his hands on him, and healed him. (KJV)

Acts 28:9
9 So when this was done, others also, which had diseases in the island, came, and were healed: (KJV)
Acts 28:27
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. (KJV)
1 Cor 12:9
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; (KJV)
1 Cor 12:28
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. (KJV)
1 Cor 12:30
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? (KJV)
Heb 12:13
13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed. (KJV)
James 5:16
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. (KJV)
1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. (KJV)
Rev 13:3
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. (KJV)
Rev 13:12
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. (KJV)
Rev 22:2
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. (KJV)

Old TESTIMENT HEALING VERSES (KJV)

Gen 20:17
17 So Abraham prayed unto God: and God healed Abimelech, and his wife, and his maidservants; and they bare children. (KJV)
Exod 15:26
26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee. (KJV)
Exod 21:19
19 If he rise again, and walk abroad upon his staff, then shall he that smote him be quit: only he shall pay for the loss of his time, and shall cause him to be thoroughly healed. (KJV)
Lev 13:18
18 The flesh also, in which, even in the skin thereof, was a boil, and is healed, (KJV)
Lev 13:37
37 But if the scall be in his sight at a stay, and that there is black hair grown up therein; the scall is healed, he is clean: and the priest shall pronounce him clean. (KJV)
Lev 14:3
3 And the priest shall go forth out of the camp; and the priest shall look, and, behold, if the plague of leprosy be healed in the leper; (KJV)
Lev 14:48
48 And if the priest shall come in, and look upon it, and, behold, the plague hath not spread in the house, after the house was plaistered: then the priest shall pronounce the house clean, because the plague is healed. (KJV)
Num 12:13
13 And Moses cried unto the LORD, saying, Heal her now, O God, I beseech thee. (KJV)
Deut 28:27
27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed. (KJV)
Deut 28:35
35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head. (KJV)

Deut 32:39
39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. (KJV)
1 Sam 6:3
3 And they said, If ye send away the ark of the God of Israel, send it not empty; but in any wise return him a trespass offering: then ye shall be healed, and it shall be known to you why his hand is not removed from you. (KJV)
II Ki 2:21
21 And he went forth unto the spring of the waters, and cast the salt in there, and said, Thus saith the LORD, I have healed these waters; there shall not be from thence any more death or barren land. (KJV)
II Ki 2:22
22 So the waters were healed unto this day, according to the saying of Elisha which he spake. (KJV)
II Ki 8:29
29 And king Joram went back to be healed in Jezreel of the wounds which the Syrians had given him at Ramah, when he fought against Hazael king of Syria. And Ahaziah the son of Jehoram king of Judah went down to see Joram the son of Ahab in Jezreel, because he was sick. (KJV)
II Ki 9:15
15 But king Joram was returned to be healed in Jezreel of the wounds which the Syrians had given him, when he fought with Hazael king of Syria.) And Jehu said, If it be your minds, then let none go forth nor escape out of the city to go to tell it in Jezreel. (KJV)
II Ki 20:5
5 Turn again, and tell Hezekiah the captain of my people, Thus saith the LORD, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will heal thee: on the third day thou shalt go up unto the house of the LORD. (KJV)
II Ki 20:8
8 And Hezekiah said unto Isaiah, What shall be the sign that the LORD will heal me, and that I shall go up into the house of the LORD the third day? (KJV)
2 Chr 7:14
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. (KJV)
2 Chr 22:6
6 And he returned to be healed in Jezreel because of the wounds which were given him at Ramah, when he fought with Hazael king of Syria. And Azariah the son of Jehoram king of Judah went down to see Jehoram the son of Ahab at Jezreel, because he was sick. (KJV)

2 Chr 30:20
20 And the LORD hearkened to Hezekiah, and healed the people. (KJV)
Ps 6:2
2 Have mercy upon me, O LORD; for I am weak: O LORD, heal me; for my bones are vexed. (KJV)
Ps 30:2
2 O LORD my God, I cried unto thee, and thou hast healed me. (KJV)
Ps 41:4
4 I said, LORD, be merciful unto me: heal my soul; for I have sinned against thee. (KJV)
Ps 60:2
2 Thou hast made the earth to tremble; thou hast broken it: heal the breaches thereof; for it shaketh. (KJV)
Ps 103:3
3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases; (KJV)
Ps 107:20
20 He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions. (KJV)
Ps 147:3
3 He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds. (KJV)
Eccl 3:3
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; (KJV)
Isa 3:7
7 In that day shall he swear, saying, I will not be an healer; for in my house is neither bread nor clothing: make me not a ruler of the people. (KJV)
Isa 6:10
10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed. (KJV)
Isa 19:22
22 And the LORD shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the LORD, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them. (KJV)

Isa 19:22
22 And the LORD shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the LORD, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them. (KJV)
Isa 30:26
26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound. (KJV)
Isa 53:5
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. (KJV)
Isa 57:18
18 I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners. (KJV)
Isa 57:19
19 I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the LORD; and I will heal him. (KJV)
Jer 3:22
22 Return, ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the LORD our God. (KJV)
Jer 6:14
14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace. (KJV)
Jer 8:11
11 For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace. (KJV)
Jer 14:19
19 Hast thou utterly rejected Judah? hath thy soul lothed Zion? why hast thou smitten us, and there is no healing for us? we looked for peace, and there is no good; and for the time of healing, and behold trouble! (KJV)
Jer 14:19
19 Hast thou utterly rejected Judah? hath thy soul lothed Zion? why hast thou smitten us, and there is no healing for us? we looked for peace, and there is no good; and for the time of healing, and behold trouble! (KJV)


Jer 15:18
18 Why is my pain perpetual, and my wound incurable, which refuseth to be healed? wilt thou be altogether unto me as a liar, and as waters that fail? (KJV)
Jer 17:14
14 Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved: for thou art my praise. (KJV)
Jer 17:14
14 Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved: for thou art my praise. (KJV)
Jer 30:13
13 There is none to plead thy cause, that thou mayest be bound up: thou hast no healing medicines. (KJV)
Jer 30:17
17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after. (KJV)
Jer 51:8
8 Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed. (KJV)
Jer 51:9
9 We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies. (KJV)
Jer 51:9
9 We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies. (KJV)
Lam 2:13
13 What thing shall I take to witness for thee? what thing shall I liken to thee, O daughter of Jerusalem? what shall I equal to thee, that I may comfort thee, O virgin daughter of Zion? for thy breach is great like the sea: who can heal thee? (KJV)
Ezek 30:21
21 Son of man, I have broken the arm of Pharaoh king of Egypt; and, lo, it shall not be bound up to be healed, to put a roller to bind it, to make it strong to hold the sword. (KJV)
Ezek 34:4
4 The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them. (KJV)

Ezek 47:8
8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed. (KJV)
Ezek 47:9
9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh. (KJV)
Ezek 47:11
11 But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt. (KJV)
Hosea 5:13
13 When Ephraim saw his sickness, and Judah saw his wound, then went Ephraim to the Assyrian, and sent to king Jareb: yet could he not heal you, nor cure you of your wound. (KJV)
Hosea 6:1
1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. (KJV)
Hosea 7:1
1 When I would have healed Israel, then the iniquity of Ephraim was discovered, and the wickedness of Samaria: for they commit falsehood; and the thief cometh in, and the troop of robbers spoileth without. (KJV)
Hosea 11:3
3 I taught Ephraim also to go, taking them by their arms; but they knew not that I healed them. (KJV)
Hosea 14:4
4 I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him. (KJV)
Nahum 3:19
19 There is no healing of thy bruise; thy wound is grievous: all that hear the bruit of thee shall clap the hands over thee: for upon whom hath not thy wickedness passed continually? (KJV)
Zech 11:16
16 For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces. (KJV)
Mal 4:2
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. (KJV)

Forty Scripture Memory Verses On Healing
(TEMPORARILY NOT IN KJV WILL CONVERT THESE TO KJV LATER, ALL MODERN VERSIONS ARE CORUPT)

Romans 10 tell us that faith comes from hearing and hearing from the word of Christ. To help us believe God for healing ourselves, our friends and our families it helps to have a good grasp of the Scriptures concerning healing. These Scriptures are small enough to be written on a business card sized bit of paper, carried around and memorized.1. (Exodus 15:26 NKJV) and said, "If you diligently heed the voice of the LORD your God and do what is right in His sight, give ear to His commandments and keep all His statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you which I have brought on the Egyptians. For I am the LORD who heals you."2. (Deuteronomy 32:39 NKJV) 'Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.3. (2 Chronicles 7:14 NKJV) "If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.4. (Psalms 30:2 NKJV) O LORD my God, I cried out to You, And You healed me.5. (Psalms 6:2 NKJV) Have mercy on me, O LORD, for I am weak; O LORD, heal me, for my bones are troubled.6. (Psalms 103:1-4 NKJV) Bless the LORD, O my soul; And all that is within me, bless His holy name! {2} Bless the LORD, O my soul, And forget not all His benefits: {3} Who forgives all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases, {4} Who redeems your life from destruction, Who crowns you with lovingkindness and tender mercies,7. (Psalms 107:20 NKJV) He sent His word and healed them, And delivered them from their destructions.8. (Psalms 147:3 NKJV) He heals the brokenhearted And binds up their wounds.9. (Proverbs 3:7-8 NKJV) Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear the LORD and depart from evil. {8} It will be health to your flesh, And strength to your bones.10. (Proverbs 4:20-22 NKJV) My son, give attention to my words; Incline your ear to my sayings. {21} Do not let them depart from your eyes; Keep them in the midst of your heart; {22} For they are life to those who find them, And health to all their flesh.11. (Isaiah 53:5 NKJV) But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.12. (Isaiah 58:8 NKJV) Then your light shall break forth like the morning, Your healing shall spring forth speedily, And your righteousness shall go before you; The glory of the LORD shall be your rear guard.13. (Isaiah 61:1 NKJV) "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me, Because the LORD has anointed Me To preach good tidings to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives, And the opening of the prison to those who are bound;14. (Jeremiah 3:22 NKJV) "Return, you backsliding children, And I will heal your backslidings." "Indeed we do come to You, For You are the LORD our God.15. (Jeremiah 17:14 NKJV) Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; Save me, and I shall be saved, For You are my praise.16. (Jeremiah 30:17 NKJV) For I will restore health to you And heal you of your wounds,' says the LORD, 'Because they called you an outcast saying: "This is Zion; No one seeks her."'17. (Jeremiah 33:6 NKJV) 'Behold, I will bring it health and healing; I will heal them and reveal to them the abundance of peace and truth.18. (Hosea 6:1 NKJV) Come, and let us return to the LORD; For He has torn, but He will heal us; He has stricken, but He will bind us up.19. (Hosea 14:4 NKJV) "I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely, For My anger has turned away from him.20. (Malachi 4:2 NKJV) But to you who fear My name The Sun of Righteousness shall arise With healing in His wings; And you shall go out And grow fat like stall-fed calves.21. (Matthew 4:23 NKJV) And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease among the people.22. (Matthew 8:13 NKJV) Then Jesus said to the centurion, "Go your way; and as you have believed, so let it be done for you." And his servant was healed that same hour.23. (Matthew 8:16 NKJV) When evening had come, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed. And He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick,24. (Matthew 9:35 NKJV) Then Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.25. (Matthew 10:1 NKJV) And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease.26. (Matthew 10:8 NKJV) "Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.27. (Matthew 12:22 NKJV) Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and mute man both spoke and saw.28. (Matthew 14:14 NKJV) And when Jesus went out He saw a great multitude; and He was moved with compassion for them, and healed their sick.29. (Luke 6:19 NKJV) And the whole multitude sought to touch Him, for power went out from Him and healed them all.30. (Luke 9:6 NKJV) So they departed and went through the towns, preaching the gospel and healing everywhere.(The twelve are sent out)31. (Luke 10:8-9 NKJV) "Whatever city you enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you. {9} "And heal the sick there, and say to them, 'The kingdom of God has come near to you.'(The seventy are sent out)32. (Luke 17:15 NKJV) And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, returned, and with a loud voice glorified God,(The story of the ten lepers)33. (Acts 3:12 NKJV) So when Peter saw it, he responded to the people: "Men of Israel, why do you marvel at this? Or why look so intently at us, as though by our own power or godliness we had made this man walk?34. (Healing of the lame man at the Gate Beautiful) (Acts 4:29-31 NKJV) "Now, Lord, look on their threats, and grant to Your servants that with all boldness they may speak Your word, {30} "by stretching out Your hand to heal, and that signs and wonders may be done through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus." {31} And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness.35. (1 Corinthians 12:9 NKJV) to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit,36. (James 5:14-16 NKJV) Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. {15} And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. {16} Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.37. (Revelation 22:2 NKJV) In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.38. (Luke 8:47 NKJV) Now when the woman saw that she was not hidden, she came trembling; and falling down before Him, she declared to Him in the presence of all the people the reason she had touched Him and how she was healed immediately.39. (Luke 8:48 NKJV) And He said to her, "Daughter, be of good cheer; your faith has made you well. Go in peace."40. (Luke 5:17 NKJV) Now it happened on a certain day, as He was teaching, that there were Pharisees and teachers of the law sitting by, who had come out of every town of Galilee, Judea, and Jerusalem. And the power of the Lord was present to heal them.

Sunday, March 2, 2008

alpha12012007 homophobic chat with me
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alpha12012007: u cannot claim to be a teacher of christians and leaders of christians and then have an antichrist-ian spirit in ugays4jesus: not claim ing I just am it is a factalpha12012007: christ and satangays4jesus: and it is you clin=mign antichrist in me that is your dumbnessalpha12012007: Christ and satan cattnot dwell in the same person........repentalpha12012007: I am pointing out your antichrist wordsgays4jesus: you are right so you need to figure it out. I was not born yesturday so I do have a 35 years testimony in Christ Jesus you have a lot of explaining to do, but you can't you block youreself because your jusdge is n ot based on a person's life but a single wordalpha12012007: the word of God is much more important than opinionsgays4jesus: <---I was chief atheist for 27 yrs, I am 61, gay, & Pentecostal in Assemblies of God and have been since January 1974 with my lover since 1989 & Preaching weekly on TV since March 1986, over 200 pastors prophesied over me good things from God that have come to pass,I had 3 major dramatic physical healings and have 1000s of answered prayers, and over 700,000 homophobes have came to me in a few year period of time. Counseled with 1000s of str8 Christians who saw my screen name and wanted my counseling to better their Life with Christ including parents upbringing their kids in Christ Jesus counseling. No country exist that at least one person has watched my TV program.alpha12012007: u ar estill sinning. u can't argue that pointalpha12012007: sin is sin. u can't change what Gopd had decidedgays4jesus: then show me how you get gay into a verse I am not asking you to quote a verse I already know you can read I I already know any verse you can say better than you do so pick out the word or phrase in the verse and explaiin how you get gays into itgays4jesus: you cannot state what God said unless you use the Bible and using the bible is not a wish book it is actual words with real meanings and so if you say God says then what wordalpha12012007: have u even opened the Bible? Homosexuals shall not inherit the kingdom,they were to be stoned in th eOT lawgays4jesus: I know it is 100% useless for me to ask because it is impossible for you to take even a second to explain your mouthalpha12012007: Read th eentire book of Romansgays4jesus: so now thatyou quoted NIV which I garantee you came from Westcott and Hort but I want to kknow how you manage to use this word homosexual which is not in the Biblegays4jesus: the actual word is 733 arsenokoites (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace); from 730 and 2845; a sodomitealpha12012007: oh brothergays4jesus: see right away you are trying to reject my request this way you can run without explianing how you get a word to mean gayalpha12012007: th ekljv is even stronger in it's condemnationgays4jesus: then tell me what wordgays4jesus: you sttila re avoiding it aren;t you I gave you the atual word so now you need to tell me how you get sodomite to mean gaygays4jesus: 6945 qadesh (kaw-dashe'); from 6942; a (quasi) sacred person, i.e. (technically) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry: KJV-- sodomite, unclean.6942 qadash (kaw-dash'); a primitive root; to be (causatively, make, pronounce or observe as) clean: KJV-- appoint, bid, consecrate, dedicate, defile, hallow, (be, keep) holy (-er, place), keep, prepare, proclaim, purify, sanctify (-ied oneself,), X wholly. 6943 Qedesh (keh'-desh); from 6942; a sanctum; Kedesh, the name of four places in Palestine: KJV-- Kedesh.This is the key word in 7 of the 14 verses people use to say gay is sin.

alpha12012007: u are contradicting yourself nowgays4jesus: the greek sodomite is the same as the Hebrew sodomite so again how do you get sodomite to mean gaygays4jesus: i am waitinggays4jesus: you say it is in that versealpha12012007: "have you not read that in the beginning God made them male and female?"gays4jesus: so I expect you to tell me how a so well document word that is historical and is so deeply studied by so many to somehow mean gaysgays4jesus: why did you stop with the verse you started withalpha12012007: people will always justify their sin when every translation speaks so clearly against itgays4jesus: is it because you figured out a male temple prostuitute is not how to condemn gaysgays4jesus: then why don't you correct me by showing me your research to show sodomite means homosexualalpha12012007: if you read things as they are written and as they are translated, u will have your answers...I Cor. 6:9gays4jesus: a fact 733 arsenokoites (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace) had be documented to have benn used 76 times in 1600 years after paulgays4jesus: so your word for gays for 16 centuries was used 76 timesgays4jesus: souind like a lot to go on to condemn gaysalpha12012007: please give me a second to look things up....I didn't expect to run into a pervert in a christian roomgays4jesus: now lets read over the 76 times see what the sentenses said after all i am not joking and if you need the actual dicuments sentense i be happy to give you the link'gays4jesus: but to simplify iwill say Christians for those 16 centuries used it to talk about sex out of speciesalpha12012007: u are living in sin and refuse to repentalpha12012007: u can't justify it by twisting wordsgays4jesus: again your statement have no backing it is your opinion based on a lifetime of conditioning so i will try to attempt you to study whatyour mouth blurts outgays4jesus: untwist me thenalpha12012007: Lev. 20:13 calls u detestable and under the old law demands u be stonesgays4jesus: I have no problem at allgays4jesus: got to go for nowalpha12012007: please repent, before it is too lategays4jesus: will put our talk in my blog thanks got eat nowalpha12012007: please repent before it is too late!alpha12012007: u cannot claim to be a teacher of christians and leaders of christians and then have an antichrist-ian spirit in u

Friday, February 29, 2008

STEPS TO A HEALING MINISTRY

Pastors around the world Hunger for the Move of God

From: a.kumar kara [mailto:akumarkar@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:15 AMTo: stablesministries@gay4jesus.comCc: stablesministries@gays4jesus.comSubject: FW: Prayer

Dear minister of Jesus Christ,Yesterday I have seen your Blog in yahoo messenger online. I am an independent preacher minister Pentecostal. How I will heal to others? Please guide me spiritually.... also I like to invite to my church, India? Will you like to visit our small congregation and do some healing here? We are expecting your miracle visit to my place.
Pastor Nayak, IndiaHope Church

JESUS HEALS THE SICK

Matt 4:24
24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them. (KJV)

Matt 8:16
16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: (KJV)

Matt 12:15
15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all; (KJV)

Matt 14:14
14 And Jesus went forth, and saw a great multitude, and was moved with compassion toward them, and he healed their sick. (KJV)

Matt 15:30
30 And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them: (KJV)

Matt 19:2
2 And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there. (KJV)

Mark 1:34
34 And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him. (KJV)

Mark 3:10
10 For he had healed many; insomuch that they pressed upon him for to touch him, as many as had plagues. (KJV)

Luke 4:40
40 Now when the sun was setting, all they that had any sick with divers diseases brought them unto him; and he laid his hands on every one of them, and healed them. (KJV)


Mark 16:15-20
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
(KJV)

It is almost that every time Jesus spoke to crowds when he finished he begin laying on hands and healing everyone that came to him. Of all doctrines one would think that a mainstay in ministering would be laying hands on the sick and those in need of a variety of healings mentioned in the verses above. I pasted in just a few verses where large numbers came to hear Jesus and afterwards he healed the sick.

Mark mentions tongues. This tongues stuff is explained in detail in Acts chapter 2. I believe being baptized in the Holy Spirit is not a requirement to heal someone in Jesus Name, but fact shows this is much more in the rare category and usually is in the form of a long healing process which is not very distinguishable from your body or doctors doing the work.

Step 1) ensure you are Baptized in the Holy Spirit.

Step 2) have a great desire to have Jesus heal others through you.

Step 3) prepare yourself for the steps below.

Step 4) do not let a gathering you hold go by without providing a time to lay hands on sick folk.

Step 5) don’t let non-movement of God discourage you.

Step 6). figure out any additional steps you discover may help.

Step 7) have an idea what to do with the results.

Step 1) ensure you are Baptized in the Holy Spirit.
Baptism in the Holy Spirit is about the most important factor: (pastor Nayak you already have this)

1 Cor 12:4-11
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
(KJV)

9. . . . to another the gifts of healing

Gifts of healing is a gift that Christians can simply heal others, but great as this would appear because many get healed what lacks is a balance and so having or using just one gift can puff you up and your ministry can turn into a Christian cult following. Jesus is at the center and centering on healing can distract from the one that heals for you are not the healer but the conduit of Jesus’ healing.

So seek severally the gifts of the Spirit. Baptism in the Holy Spirit is key to receiving gifts. Having been given gifts as can be easily shown in tongues is at your will 24 hours a day you can choose to speak in tongues and nothing but your will can stop you. Gifts are given and they are subject to your will. Having gifts does not make you holy or closer to God as a Christian not baptized. Because you have the Baptism does not mean your thought and beliefs and ideas of God. Don’t make your operations in the gifts put you on a pedestal and you think what you say is 100% right. You want to heal others seek the gifts of healing, also know that healing someone does not have to be gifts of healing it can be your other gifts and love that also can heal others. You may not ever get the gifts of healing, but you will have other gifts and operating in the gift you have receive can produce almost the same effect as having the gifts of healing, but enhanced because you work through a variety of gifts to obtain what someone with the gifts of healing can do blind folded. Lots more to this step but I am trying not to write a book.

Step 2) have a great desire to have Jesus heal others through you.
Is really quite obvious, but again emphasis remains on Jesus not the healings.

Step 3) prepare yourself for the steps below.
This is about the most important part of everything do with healing. You should be ready at a moment notice to healing the sick in any situation. This can happen just for the fact you are a real Christian, because it may be 100% Jesus wanting a person healed and will use you simply because he just will. This is not the way to receive answers to desiring healings to be common in your meetings.

To be actively ready at any moment means you have already prayed yourself blue in secret and you have read whatever you could about healing people. I also think it is good to know counterfeit healer tactics. Many religions and other practices use some sort of healing people rituals. You should understand what is God and what is the world in healings. Some know how to heal and because it works in front of your eyes does not make it God or satan. It could be either. Mostly we say outside of the Bible it has to be satan. We are so wrong on so many fronts. So generally you should have for a great deal of time already had and have interests in seeing people healed. If this is a new thing for you you do have a lot of homework ahead of you. Jesus is wonderful not being sick is about the best feeling human bodies can know if it is sustained. So know your topic. (You do not have to memorize the Bible just know it).

So above is an academic background you should be and have obtained. Bible schools and colleges may not be a good place or may be actually a bad place to gain background if you go there and 100% accept all they teach. Upper education has pros and cons so discernment gift should be in full operation as you study in such facilities.

More importantly is preparation by prayers (possibly fasting but that would be on rare occasions or your situation and desire to fast feeling this urging to do so) (fasting is a drink water, at least if you want water fasting included (this is a your choice not someone telling you thing) you should drink in a day otherwise health issues will rise very fast) but again fasting is mostly not needed most of the time.

So prayer closet is a must, praising God is a must, worshipping God is a must, thanking God is a must these done in private. Now don’t assume a ritual that is usually standard in Christianity to these few things. In Pentecostal churches sweet praising and worshipping and singing in the spirit and such are really really nice. But missing is what is praise? Praise is saying you did a good job and explaining what was the good job. Just saying I praise God is great too, but think about it there God is thinking “then don’t just tell others to praise God, actually praise me by saying what it is I did that you are telling others to praise me. Praise God is a command not the actual praise. Thank God for what? Yes repeating these popular phrases is wonderful and yea God loves it to no end and yes miracles abound in them. I worship you. So what does worship mean? I hope you are getting the point that if you want to operate with healing manifesting in your services or rallies then understand what you say in the process of these common phrases.

There you are standing in front of your congregation or rally you have done your homework perhaps with many years of crying to God and studying you have prepared and you know your topic (not the sermon topic which you should also know) but you know the time in the service now is to heal people. It is crucial to have your background in the Lord strong and unwavering. Healing ministries is not particularly liked by satan and his specialty is to corrupt it. Money flows easier; fame makes you feel godlike and these corrupt people very fast. Preparing is getting yourself aware of what you are stepping into.

NONE of these steps are really any good if you base your ministry in modern English version Bible or translations using those as a base. There are two sets of manuscripts the corrupt and the uncorrupt, both are 2nd century. If you use a Bible search to see if it is a RECEIVED TEXT translation or a King James Version translation. Today the KJV is really the only version from the Received Text so using any other version translated to your native languages is setting you up to be conditioned to anti-christ acceptance in that day.

Use KING JAMES BIBLE or ones translated from the RECEIVED TEXT

Step 4) do not let a gathering you hold go by without providing a time to lay hands on sick folk.
It is really hard when nothing happens for long periods so never get discouraged if no healings take place and you feel like a fool. You may lose people it may get tougher. But you want a healing ministry as part of your ministry. This may take a toll so dig in. Now maybe from day one people will be healed so right away you become popular and you have to deal with that instead. But like salvation sinners prayer should be offered at every gathering for people can actually take a step of faith and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. Having a period also for inviting people to receive the Baptism in the Holy Spirit should be a regular feature of your service. No one will ever get healed in your service in front of everyone unless you offer a time for laying on hands.

Maybe you are doing this now, you email indicates then if you are you are not seeing regular healings.

Step 5) don’t let non-movement of God discourage you.
Was covered in step 4 above.

Step 6). figure out any additional steps you discover may help.
Now comes the: you are not me and you are not anyone else part. You are you God called you. You lived your life and now you have a ministry you are a pastor you are in authority you can delegate and give orders and seek others and their talents to provide a ministry that is truly you calling. Here is where no one can help you. You should not follow an instruction manual to create your ministry. Use instructions as guidelines not rules. One thing I have grown to dislike like is the pride churches take in their entertainment as it were. Almost church competing who has the best choir or electronic presentations.

Singing inspired by God or the talents some people have is amazing use it to glorify God not to be the best in town. Money big time problems be careful in asking for it and be accountable for it. (don’t buy $23,000 toilet seats as one minister has done).
But beyond the usual running of your ministry’s operation and logistics to make the service run smoothly step 6 means if it is not working toss it. Maybe not that directly but meaning figure out something. I again am not you, what works for me may be a disaster for you. Maybe you sing and write songs, take a second look at that and try your talents in imaginative directions. Maybe old world religion songs and styles had their day and you been thinking on trying out an urge inside you to try something new. Maybe you got a comical side. This holier than thou approach to ministering just are ingredients for a dead church. I am trying to say use your God given brain to make something not working work.

Don’t get stuck in morality issues. This is disgusting to God flat out. People trying to say what is right and what is wrong to 7 billion people with all the cultures steers people away from these coming days that Jesus will return. Let God deal with morality. Add morality issues to your message and almost guarantee for a hard fall when the church spanking begins. Keep moral issues to a general condition of mankind and don’t point out specific areas as though you think you know the issues about it. Keep focused on reaching the Lost for Christ not how dirty people are. Once you talk about the filth of other then you invite your filth to be openly shown. Jesus came to take away our burden not to add to them. This is not condoning sins; it is bringing the Gospel to the Lost and giving God the opportunity to write his laws on tablets of flesh.

Too many pastors are just not looking “out of the box” God is throughout the universe treat God as God. Jesus Created all things nothing created were not created by him. Not saying God is bored but he gave us a mind and many talents.

I am greatly saddened when I see ministers center their ideals on large numbers of people especially youth. Ministers that use their talents to create a large ministry and add in as a major factor their ideas of morality which is actually not Bible, but they believe it is.

So avoid centering on issues you may think important so you make a main message. But also do not back down from a message you know is from God, just be ready to explain how you make it from God and that your info sources really are backing your messages. Tough times are coming, but the Joy of the Lord is out strength, so don’t place burdens and weights on those that come to you. Hard not to talk about issues you think are important morally, but remember it is not your job to judge 7 billion people or even one person.

Aim your seeking to have regular healings in the direction of reaching the lost and lifting the burdens. People love getting entertained us all the talents at your disposal, but never make entertainment a competition or a means to keep people coming and staying. Use entertainment (talents) to glorify God. But first and foremost is your message. Don’t trade your message for entertainment that brings people to your church. You are about the message God gave you and your ministry is based on you and that message. Just keep in mind interesting ways to get people to hear your message.

Some may get 10s of 1000s others may have a 100 or so or less, do what you can with what you got don’t beg other to give you more. Everyone has got enough to do God’s will as you need more it will be given. Show how you can use what you have (keeping as close to debt free as possible) don’t try to buy your way to a healing ministry or more people. Also step outside your church. Your church is your base maybe, but this is not a cookie cutter Christian time period. Those Christians doing same thing as year after year will not see mighty move of God.

Think about sort of unrelated to your church separate ministry. Have your regular church services (maybe set up guest speakers as need be) but also plan testing out trying out new ideas. As a pastor of all people you know how to gather people so maybe hold meetings elsewhere, but radically alter your status quo style. Find who you are or might be. All I am saying is NOW is the RIGHT time. Don’t let your roots hold you back. There are 7 days I a week and all are not Sunday meeting or Wednesday meeting times. You can try HEALING ministry on other days.

Testimony of Healing ministry founders are “nothing happens” overnight, but one night Jesus began healing in their meeting and from there their healing ministry developed.

Step 7) have an idea what to do with the results.
The probably most important aspect of healing ministries is what you do with results. There you are people getting healed. NOW more people hear about it and come. So what of them when they leave? If in your church and they stay with your church you can feed them God’s word as you do your flock. A great importance is once healed and or saved but they really are not likely to go attend your church what will you give them to cement their faith in Jesus Christ?

As we see many Healing ministries that are large usually have counselors and so take those accepting Jesus or gotten healed or both back somewhere to explain what went on. Maybe give them a Bible or reading materials and strongly suggest they find a church that believes in healings and baptism in the Holy Spirit as soon as they can. Give them also guidelines. We live in the Last days. As many as 5 billion people will be killed in a 7 year period in which half or those are very likely to occur while Christians are still here before the Rapture. It is not good to saved them heal them and send them out to be slaughtered. The types of things to come are things that minutes can produce not months or years. We do not need to promote fear, but we also cannot let them go without warnings of what being a “LAST DAYS” Christians means. Blessings will for sure come, but also antichrist’s kingdom is nearly built.

Summary is balance your desire to bring physical healing to people with the reality of our day. You do not need to be an expert on the LAST DAYS or much of anything to have a healing ministry, just remember these you minister to our going out into the DAYS that bring Jesus back. And it is not going to be watching our favorite TV show and zap we are in Heaven. When we see Heaven (meet Jesus in the air with the dead in Christ rising first) we will know and lived in great death and destruction beyond measure. We will have been made ready for eternity with Christ during a 1260 day period and not at “anytime or any moment” as many pastors suggest today.

Healing power can make you feel godlike know this so as to keep the Glory pointed where it belongs, to Jesus Christ who is the healer.

God Bless you in Jesus Christ’s Name
John

Monday, February 25, 2008

Trying to get much more info on Brant Baker

Response to a comment from one of my Blogs


Hi thanks for your follow-up post, my added comment is on a broader picture than perhaps the scope you implied in your comments

I worked in the music ministry of Shekinah fellowship during its Long Beach days.

I really enjoyed that large choir am I right as I recall Brant inherited Kathryn’s choir? I have Shekinah Fellowship Album from the 80s.

Brant was known to have come out of a gay "past" as had many other guys in the ministry.

So, this is outright saying Brant was gay? “out of a gay past” indicates he once was gay but something change and he is not gay now. Should this be true, then why would Paul Crouch erase Brant from recorded existence? I would agree many that were regulars that I saw during the several times I went to his services would certainly seems gay (not many stereotype, but this weird process many call gaydar.

Brant certainly channeled KK and was reported to have suddenly become possessed of her mannerisms, etc., after a critical visit to her ministry

Channeled? Channeled is a demonic practice. I worked for a company that sold audio cassettes probably the person that has the largest fanfare, she channeled some master from the other side. So you may have made a play on words, but it was likely like another close contact to Brant said in private gatherings they had with a group of friends. Just dressing up like Kathryn where if you did not know better you would think it was her. And another reference to demonic action, which I personally think disgusting of you as a supposed Christians to being defining action in satanic terms about a person that has about the most fantastic ministry is a great while (at least from the view of and outsider looking in from those that came to see him preach and hope to get healed). I was also impressed when I saw Kathryn Kualman’s services on TV. And still this point has little meaning. Gay transvestites are great actors and they get quite involved in whom they are impersonating and often take a liking to a specific character. This is not remotely related to terms like possessed so those that reported it as possession were not in touch with real life themselves. (personally I am not at all into opposite sex dressing but respect those that do it well).

I can confirm "anonymous's" claim about Brad's brother Kevin as well. Kevin was a nice guy and routinely had "temptation" trouble in local gay restroom haunts, etc.

Confirmation is centered on making restrooms a focal point. Fact is around the 12th century when the false anti-gay doctrine was invented it began to force gays into not the normal accustom fashion of people meeting for intimate relationships. Str8 could meet about anywhere, but gays would be harassed even at the slightest hint of intimacy. I personally would not got to parks or bushes or places that if seem may appear all you are doing is waiting for sex. I sort of old fashion and like being asked out on a date or asked to have this dance. However, many people just can’t afford to have any sort of relationship and are forced into a manner that would seem offensive to most. Once anyone gets use to a anonymous sex style it become pretty much their norm. I can fairly certainly say that what maybe ordinary sexual immorality if str8 did it as it were, when gays do it for said reasons the sins are charge to the Christian church on a Church wide charge. This means in that day the shaking begins the Church will be spanked for church wide sins. So be sure if you are a part of forcing gays into a way of sex styles normally would be sin God sees it as you doing the sinning not the actual person that has found it the only way they can know to have an intimate life with anyone. The are 660 million gays so most gays in the world do not run off to restrooms. So focusing on Kevin’s restroom activities is crude and showing lack of knowledge on why and who. Because you don’t like something does not place an act as temptation. Str8 Christians that are married and having regular sex often stand up and shout out to others that are gay and single that any attempt at having a relationship is bowing to temptation. It can be shown 69% of str8 single Christians have sex on their first dates. So bringing up restrooms without presenting Kevin’s personal testimony is like saying all str8 men fantasize about having sex with 2 lesbians. It really is not necessary to bring up unless some details of the processes are also included. Gay topics can be sensitive and so like many large companies and police forces do when their staff appears to abuse people with stereotyping with the negative they send them to sensitivity classes.

Joe Dallas also came out of Shekinah and knew Brant well - he is now a major "ex-gay" counselor and psychologist who, according to rumors, was heavily influenced by Brant's death to renounce a gay Christian lifestyle and go back to straightdom.

So your information about Joe leave a ton of info out that leads to misleading conclusions. Knowing Brant well implies he knew Brant was gay, perhaps knew Brant thought gay was sin and was going to Desert Stream (if he was) and so aids had to be God’s punishment for being gay (very very commonly thought by Str8 Christians in the day Brant died). My 35 years research into ex-gays including detailed research into Desert Stream (had several ongoing email with the leader of DS at that time in the 80s though not sure the year) I know Desert Stream lied vehemently about gays and they practically discarded any sort of concept of present Bible study results (as most Christians today do that think gay is sin). It might also imply that he knew Brant like dressing up as Kathryn and acting like her and generally it was a fun party atmosphere during a time Brant was still in Marihuana. So it was not until Brant died that Joe connected aids to gay is sin beside all the surrounding Christians condemning gays. My research into over 100 ex-gay ministry leaders and founders show most had very little if any Bible training and grew up in very strict Christians homes. Most were bisexual too. To be a counselor and psychologist and ex-gay counselor means you either went to college got a license which means you know in detail the findings even back in the 80’s that gay is not a disease and as a few years went by that there was nothing harmful or wrong with gays. Now to still think gay is sin means you must have went to a Bible college again I am the expert and contacted Bible colleges galore talk to many professors and students, gay just is not taught and what is said about gays is not much more than quoting the 700 yr old false anti-gay doctrine. It is very sad thing to hear someone having no resource to turn to except homophobic church during the death of a friend. Now you add this friend was used mightily of God to save and heal 1000s maybe 10s of 1000s. So surrounded by the group that promptly erased Brant Baker (TBN) and so any source he would have is gay is sin so change. I know the horrible words people say. Even today regularly this one Christians from Christian chat room always pops up on my ask asked me if I got aids yet. In the 80s maybe stupidity about aids was excusable, but in 2008 it is not excusable. Percentagewise more str8s have aids and dwarfs gays in numbers. Also so many disease target specifics. Brest cancel I don’t need to explain this. People get sick. Horrors of horrors it is a highly likely probability aids want created by the US govt. Again another story. The history of ex-gays in documented it now and even way back then could be said “no such thing as ex-gays” Today we got tons of data and follow up. I get so many ex-gays from the most educated to ex-gay leaders and founders to ex-gays swearing to me they are delivered and yet none are. Within a few questions it is easy to show they are not changed. Joe like most of the ex-gays leaders and counselors come into this function become of not studying. Of course there is a lot more to all this than my simple conclusions. But I go into the ex-gay questions elsewhere. It is really bad that those that believe so strongly won’t even allow a gay person to talk let alone give testimony in their church or anywhere.


So rapping this up I want to say I did not intend to make this a direct comment to Dave Koerner and it is not met to be read as a direct response to him. I would like Dave to give a bit more detail as he seems to vaguely say he is one that believes gay is sin, but somehow managers not to be direct in giving details about his comments. Sounds like he knows more than he wrote that would give a better understanding to a man that spent years and started becoming a national ministry and often on TBN with really very good quality ministry with a amazing choir participation in the healing part of the service. That he so influenced Benny Hinn that Benny’s ministry if near a fraud counterfeit of Brant’s. What Brant did with Kathryn Benny did with Brant. It is a known fact Benny did hang around Brant. Hearing old recording of Brant makes you wonder if Brant was copying Benny, but the fact is Brant was dead a decade almost before anyone knew Benny existed.

Please, people give honor to whom honor is due. Brant perhaps was the first heavily anointed gay faith healer and certainly one that was gain fame rapidly with styles that has so influenced modern Christianity of current day. He did not have the luxury of many resources of the gay community today. In his day most gay resources were secular and the common one were usually bars. Some gay churches were beginning to gain some national and even international growth like MCC, but I remember nearly all the MCC’s I went to back then were a place the very obviously gay people went and they were about as far from Pentecostal as you can get. I felt quite out of my comfort zone in gay Christian church, but their message was about as right on as any church denomination you would go to. MCC LA had about 3000 in it congregation and enough gays present to get a feel of nearly in a regular church because more gays that looked just like anyone you see anywhere and would have no idea they were gay was there. Most gays you would not know by seeing them.

It would be nice if Dave could have added info about Brant’s attempts at searching truth in gay resources if he had this. So far all my reading about Brant show no hint Brant did not more than his clothing store and upper class drug parties which apparently were mainly gays, but not real info on this, people talking about him does not say they were gay parties.

In the 80s aids was in the USA spread generally 2 ways drug needles and gay sex, Brant talks about Marihuana and this is not needles so that really says he got it from sex. It also was known those using various drugs let many guards down and so sex practices could place one in too many partners and so forth. After the 80s more knowledge became more available and we began to see actual aids numbers were large in str8s. This was noted in several counties that fit perfect into conspiracy theories. I have seen incredible documentation from scientist on this. Besides so much info that demand a verdict aids is very very likely to have been manufactured. Those that research into the biological warfare thing get really powerful info concerning the manufacturing of virus to kill populations. The very locations on Earth where aids is mainly str8 are the people that the elite wants killed off. Bad as this sounds anyone that rejects so much info is burying their face in the sand, They just don’t want to see it.

Dave writes as those he leans towards gay is sin, I hope I am wrong but I am probably not. This area of gays being used by God is very interesting to me. I have so many visions from God about openly gay ministers having similar ministries as Brant had. Brant lived in a day the closet is where gays had to stay when publically have Christian ministries. TODAY gays Christians need not to fear their str8 Christian brothers and sisters. TODAY is the day Pentecostal gays will take the reins. Previously non-Pentecostal gays held the reigns of gay Christians return to dignity. They did well, they laid the foundations and made strong the way. Pentecostals are not necessarily as patient. Like Azusa street began the modern day Pentecostal movement it took centuries of non-Pentecostals paving the way tediously breaking the ground enduring long periods as they lay the framework in which Pentecostal could rise and take the world with leaps never before seen, more people in the world can see the move of God at the same time than every other time combined. But as with all Christianity reins must be given over to the new times and season and moves of God. How willingly will those seated in high Christian place yield to God coming messengers. You think Azusa street or previous faith healing ministries of the past were something to see, nothing yet since Jesus has ever been seen or will again than what will be seen when Pentecostal gays are fully awaken and given the reins. Brant Baker was a taste just a half spoonful to get an idea. Lonnie first Jesus Freak, in Vineyard church’s history page gives 1980 saying Lonnie said “come Holy Spirit” and Vineyard church grew about a fast as any church ever did.

I can’t even get through a day without the presence so powerful of the Lord that this coming changing of the guard is just about to happen. What will be seen will be amazing. It is hard to explain. Today we got so hypocritical and so many think the church is corrupt we all gone so far astray how is it that we can even call over selves God’s People we have so venture into disobedience and we truly believe our disobedience is actually us obeying God. Church wide God’s people need to be brought back. Go figure those it hated the most are the very ones that will get them back on course for God.

As Always I want to end begging those that read this still thinking gay is sin that you would please please please explain how you get words in the Bible to talk about real gays. What is simply not found in any group, church, or person saying gay is sin is an explanation of a verse, a word, or a phrase they claim means it is talking about gays. 14 verses in that antigay doctrine what can be so hard as to present info that words like sodomite mean gays instead of male temple prostitutes or where did Paul see gays so he could write about gays. Best I ever hear is “it is simple” “God hates it” “its in the Bible” or they quote one of those 14 verses. For them they did God’s duty and I should just accept what they said is final and means gay is sin. They love to say if I so much as try to use any source then I am twisting the word. Well my begging has resulted in total failure still over 800,000 plus homophobes later still no one that thinks gay is sin will explain how they get gays into the Bible. Rape to them means gays, I don’t understand it please help me know how 1000s of males and females raping to death 2 angels makes gay sin. Then right after this Lot’s daughters raped him and had babies. Wasted time asking any person that thinks gay is sin, but I will go on asking one would think if gay was such a sin then it would really be pretty easy to present some strong Bible facts and historical facts about Paul and others of that day showing this was sin Biblically speaking. This last paragraph was to try to hit home further meaning gay is not sin just alone based on no one can back up their mouths against gays.

Thanks for your time
God Bless you