Romans 1:26-28

http://seattlecommunitymedia.org/node/10922/list-shows

For a list of my TV programs On-Demand to select and watch day or night for my previously aired programs. My programs air 8 times a week.

But to watch me talk about Romans 1:26-28 from where Paul wrote it Watch! These Two:

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This link takes you to my 24/7 page to the program I preached from the Temple of Apollo which is at the center of Corinth. All my foreign country programs are there On-Demand or you can watch 24/7 back to back years of my programs.

http://seattlecommunitymedia.org/series/gays-jesus/episode/temple-aphrodite-air-date-around-june-2011  

This program is on top of AcrCorinth and is a few kilometers from Ancient Corinth and this temple, Aphrodite, Paul could see from anywhere in Corinth (where he wrote “Romans”)

My foreign programs  can be selected on my website where I have my 24/7 running in the side panel.

http://gays4jesus.com

What these programs don’t answer on your questions email back and be specific.

From: Tim *** [mailto:pray***gate@****.com]
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 4:44 PM
To: gays4jesus@yahoo.com
Subject: Question

Hi,

Just read your article about "Intercessory Prayer" and was glad to hear someone define it correctly ... most Christians are totally unaware or even care for that matter!

The reason I'm writing is this:

In all sincerity and honesty (i.e without judgement or debate), would you mind giving me an explanation of Romans 1:26-28 ... it certainly appears that God doesn't "approve" of homosexuality. Like I said, I ask this in all honesty without debate or judgement.

Thank you,

Tim

12-16-12 Doma ScapeGoat Part 1 | Seattle Community Media

12-16-12 Doma ScapeGoat Part 1 | Seattle Community Media  Red State Christians use Doma repeal as a scapegoat to blame why the USA will soon begin to experience world war 3 and natural disaster type events. Of course the Bible says Christians behaving badly cause God to chastise his people.

Derenberger study against gays

My response to a followup email from a blog I posted a long time ago, it seems to have generated some action for the homophobe that originate my original comments. To see original blog scroll down to blog link below...

Reviewing my blog I see that you were very much against gays and had many fa

lse notions about Bible verses. It is impossible that your message was between you and me because you don’t know me. Your message was to the gay community worldwide. Any responses that come from my blog is simply put responses from the 700 million gays that you were really talking to. I am just one in the 700 million.

If you finally learned Bible truth concerning gays you can simply tell those sending emails that you are calling spam (it can’t be spam if they are emailing you because of your study on homosexuals) that you are very sorry and very wrong about gays and your old belief system of lies about gays. This would be a good witness, but if you still hold your false doctrine about gays then my blog on that topic is still as relevant as when I wrote it. If you did not want your name to be out on the internet you would have chosen a non-intrusive name. Example why would David Howell Petraeus use his real name or email address that can track him easily if he is going to commit adultery and use an email account to correspond with the adulteress? If you were going to say gay is sin in the manner you did no matter how generic you make it you should expect a rebuttal. The news today does not keep secrets even when very personal. You did not talk about anything personal about your life that would for sure need to be kept confidential. You openly declared the results of your study, this is a very credible public discussion topic you wrote on. Now that you told me you are getting fanfare you should be praising God how many people he is sending you to witness to. Why are you turning responses into a negative thing? You can help them or they can help you. If some are horrible to you just imagine your study on homosexuals condemns 700 million of them so much as saying they are going to hell for if you say the Bible condemns it that is exactly what you are saying to all gays that they are going to hell.

Your email to me today does not say you had a change of heart. 52% in Washington state had a change of heart, that is up by 42% since the 1980s. 7 states now have gay marriage praise God. You don’t get to that without Christians learning the truth and accept gays as people just like themselves.

I do appreciate your response to let me know my blog is reaching out, feedback is always welcome…


original
From: service@foxyform.com [mailto:service@foxyform.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:06 AM
To: gaysforjesus647@gmail.com
Subject: A message from your contact form


Name: Chris
E-Mail: cderenberger@gmail.com

Subject: question about blog
Message: Hi, my name is Chris and a while back, we had a discussion about our opinions on the topic of being gay and a christian.

I have a request to make.. you posted our conversation on your blog that includes my email address found at:

http://gays4jesus.blogspot.com/2010/08/chris-derenberger-study-against-gays.html

Because of this, I have been getting a lot of spam over the months. Can you please remove this post? If you don\'t want to remove the post, I kindly ask that you remove my email address where listed on the page along with my last name which is also included in the domain name.

Our discussion was between me and you and I would really appreciate my personal email not being freely available to everyone.

Thanks!
Derenberger

Should I attend churches that are hateful?

Should I attend churches that are hateful?
From: P…l W… [mailto:pw….@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 1:45 AM
To: gaysforjesus647@gmail.com
Subject: Hi blessing in God’s name

I am writing to ask should I sit under and attend churches were gays are critised so much and condemned. Some of the things these preachers teach can be quite hatefull and yet still the anointing shows up and people get saved and filled with the spirit is this god or a false spirit.
I am straight but am convinced that god saves all, but I can't understand how god blessed the work of preachers who can be so hateful surely the ministers aren't blessed because the hate they preach is god. Please advise as I am praying to be baptized in the spirit but dont want to be prayed for by someone who god is not blessing  because they preach hate of others.
P… W…
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Yes it is difficult to understand why God blesses so many churches. However, he is faithful to his promises and where 2 or more are gathered then he is in the mist of them. On the other hand we have prophecies that that show as many as 2/3 will turn their backs on Jesus. Most likely because soon messengers will go forth with power from God. Many saints in the past has prayed for answers for the torment cause to them by the Church with no real sign that God answered. But God reserved the day for his answers. This is a 1260 day period that starts at the first day of the TRIB. There are 38,000 Christian denominations. We are free to worship in just about any way we want and like.

Often going to a church that is more free of hate doctrines seem to back away from otherwise correct doctrines and worship practices. It seems church that don’t hate seem to feel Acts Chapter Two doesn’t exist. If you can handle the redneck doctrines sitting in an Acts ch 2 church is ok. I make that attempt from time to time, but because I feel call to preach on TV on these issues when I go to try to worship I end up sending emails that at best would not help me to have a good experience at the otherwise great church. I tell myself just go worship, but never happens I must attempt to point out problems I see. Jesus is about to return and it seems like these otherwise wonder churches are playing games as though Jesus won’t return for quite some time.  Again, it is prophetic, the CHURCH has to give the final approval so anti-christ can be dictator of the world. Once that approval is given anti-christ can kill the TWO Witness then declare himself god. The coming move of God is to send out restorers to the 2/3 that turned their backs on Jesus. Jesus does not want to lose even one of them so. They will think they have no chance to come back to Jesus, but many will receive the restorers.

For me I need to do my TV thing (nearly 2000 TV programs and this week I was even on 5 times praise the Lord also 24/7 online). It will be hard to find a good place to worship but there are lots of church that are plenty ok. Just typing gay friendly church will locate them if you are looking for a church that won’t condemn gays, but they probably won’t be into Acts ch 2.

You can receive the Baptism just by asking Jesus to do it. It can happen before you finish a couple words of  your prayer or it might take much pleading and whining to Jesus and time. I say whining because King David begged the Lord while his son was yet alive, but finally the son died so he got up and went back to business. Sometimes faith is needed and so having hands laid on often works, it is still Jesus baptizing not the one laying on hands. At the end on my TV programs I give the opportunity to be baptized it is one of the things I always add before signing off. Sometimes touching something as a faith to a prayer so right now touch the sentence I pray for you to be baptized. “Paul Ward BE BAPTIZED IN THE HOLY SPIRIT IN JESUS NAME!” 

It is very possible you are already Baptized and just are not acting on it. Being baptized in the Holy Spirit is no magic and the Holy Spirit will not just zap you to speak. He can and might at times. But not all and maybe even most Christian do not have a dramatic zapping and bonk they are baptized. It can be extremely deep in ecstasy in the presence and love of Jesus Christ.  You can be slain in the spirit like ka boom laid flat out on the floor jabbering in an unknown language. God likes a show and knows we do to and to see this or feel it is absolutely amazing.
BUT, again you operate in your own will and you have to will you vocal chords and mouth to speak when even you like. When you go talk to someone you have no problem just walking over and saying what  you had on your mind to say to them. Likewise at will  you can speak in tongues. You just need to speak once you got it going it will flow. Get into a private space and be a blithering fool (nobody around to hear) practice as you need to get comfortable that it is the Holy Spirit not you speaking a language you do not understand. The Holy Spirit will always 24/7 be there and he will always pray through the language Jesus gave you. You have plenty of input since being Baptized in the Holy Spirit WILL enter you into the spiritual world and now you are subject to that. Your spirit can influence, demon spirits, things that go bump in the night and who knows all that is in what you enter into.
Most Christian ignore most of the operation of the Holy Spirit and often can assume if it came out it is of God and forgo the BIBLE. Everything still is subject to the Bible. You can get very terrified and very blessed. The spirit world  does not comply to the physical world. You actually can go a trillion miles in an instant. Key  is Keep Jesus first and in mind, demons must flee, but they will take advantage of everything they can.
You can sit back like most Christian and play sing in the spirit and intercessory prayers and think that’s it and all you want, but all things that were made were made by Jesus and so all things are there and we ain’t dead yet or risen yet so we may get more than we thought we would. With the Bible first (KJV) you can balance the wonders of God. Using the Holy Spirit illegally (non-Christians) you can create working religions that have power. The Holy Spirit is also the mojo of all things like electricity plug any device into and it works. Other religions plug into the Holy Spirit and so effectively produce an effectual religion. Jesus Baptizes you in the Holy Spirit and  Bible knowledge is not a pre-condition so rednecks can  generally operate well, but often end up hurting untold millions with assuming the power of the feeling the Baptism gives you as  confirming your personal opinions is God’s opinions too.
The feeling is mainly Jesus is inside you with his personal love to sup with you that feels stronger than the comforter you get at Salvation. If you get carried away in daily work or play and maybe don’t relate to feeling Jesus presence then at any  moment you stop to feel Jesus he  is  there waiting 24/7.
Along with Baptism come gifts/talents and/or enhancements to already known gifts/talents you have. Most the time your life remains on course and is not likely to change in a major way unless they are serious issues needing repair. You most likely will  not fill stadiums and have 1000s coming to Christ as you witness. But your ministry will more meaningful at the least. Your secret prayers may move mountains for others and change a great deal of lives you will never see and never get credit for. Not to think I made any difference I assume it is coincidence. But I was as a fact the first opening gay Christian when the first chat rooms appeared on line. I was daily in several rooms at a time that had over 50 Christians. For years no other even gay person let alone a Christ gay came noticeably into the room. I was pounced upon instantly and for hours it became as it were my room because the entire conversation was to attack me and so I had the door swung wide open to witness on Bible face concerning gays and last days stuff. At the time both issues were so radically different from the church I went (Assemblies of God) but I believed what I was saying based on the Bible and so many other things I believed God showed me in my life. My estimate was 1974 it was about zero percent anything gay supporting publically and 0% on many of the prophecies for endtimes.
As the year went by I continued in those rooms daily and developed my website and went on TV and I saw supporting gay issues increasing till today it is over 50% will support gay marriage laws. The public support, court cases and everywhere were stating exactly what I had been preaching all these years and as time goes on substantial shifts in prophecies were happening too. I am surprised to hear on TV ministries prophecy preaching steering towards what I have been saying. Again I doubt I had any influence it is just amazing to hear people sounding like they are quoting me. I praise God people are seeing and understanding these issues. Whether My ministry had an effect I may never know, but that is what praying in the Spirit (tongues) is about. The Holy Knows what to pray for and there is a God ordained feature in humans praying audibly that moves mountains. The Holy Spirit uses your audible voice to pray into existence miracles. By your faith in yielding your vocal chords to the Holy Spirit mountains are moved.

Operation BlueBeam

Watch my latest TV program on Operation BlueBeam

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We are the Last Generation of Christians

Hi, Happy to correspond with you on service to God through Jesus. However, should your intentions be seeking financial or material support from me I can in no way support that endeavor.  I receive many many emails from ministries seeking $$$ from me saying they like my site and ministry, but in fact are just attempting to scam me and apparently never read a page on my site. Having said that I would be very very happy minister online using my live broadcast 24/7 (free) to preach or answer questions or to correspond with answers to many questions concerning these Last Days and other Bible issues to your church or group. I do travel and if that was near you I would happily accept an invitation to preach, otherwise it is a no expenses out of my pocket regarding any invitations. I believe Jesus and the KJV Bible and I am Pentecostal. I especially believe we are human beings, we are not a book, we are individuals and if someone comes to me and their speech is has no individual qualities about who they are and only thing out of their mouths is quoting a verse or some sort of phrase ”bless you and your family” or praises or other words that make it sound like I am talking to a recording or a Robot or a Muslim,  then I am not interested in the lack  of human ness  being expressed. I do praise God and do love Jesus and I do know the Bible concerning God’s blessings. Jesus died for humans. He created us to have a personal relationship with him and others. In preaching we can teach the Bible, but in correspondence such as email it is a waste of value time and nothing can be accomplished if all that is communicated is more rhetoric that just seems like you are pretending to be a good servant of the Lord.  Over 3 billion will be killed before the Rapture so playing church is not my cup of tea. Jesus preached then healed, he baptizes with the Holy Spirit we should do this too. When Jesus talked to people he knew them and about their lives, he did not just babble out praise God, Glory to God, and may God bless you. He treated people as individuals who have a personal relationship with him. We are in high danger that will strike soon what are you doing about that? Yes let’s send our kids to Bible camp and have events to have fun, but never ever forget we are not living in yesterday with decades left and should not send out youth to be slaughtered with no armor of God or knowledge of what to expect so they can defend their selves and so keep the faith till Jesus comes.

Every message should have these things:
1) Call to Salvation (sinners prayer invitation) (explanation this starts personal relationship with Jesus).
2) Physical healing by laying on of hands.
3) Invitation to have Jesus Baptize people in the Holy Spirit (includes praising God and Jesus).
4) Reminder modern versions are satan counterfeits and Rapture includes billions are killed before it happens.
5) Water Baptism at some point after Salvation.

Not critical:
6) Non-intrusive lovegift request with no guilt attached to those that don’t give.
7) Messages on endtime. Pastors and teachers are responsible to do the best they can so their flock to survive. We live in a different age than our ancestors we are the Last General of Christians. Stop preaching like previous generations. Social issues are not to be policed. Being Born again polices one’s social life not a pastor or minister. The time ahead will dramatically change ministers preaching style and message. They will not have a choice, it will hit them as a blunt force in a day’s time. God is not concerned with churches with incorrect doctrines, just that their doors are open as many people with clamber in to lean about Jesus in those days and soon your message will adjust to that need as your old style is broken and shattered. Ministers can begin now and avoid the radical shock of sudden adjustment.  Jesus is returning and it is like birth pains this means he is not coming tonight we don’t feel much pain yet.
 
You wrote: (from the Philippines)
Hello Pastor John,
Greetings to you in the mighty name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

I would like to take this time and say I thank God  for your wonderful website. I learn some of inspiring spiritual words that can empower the true identity the fullest spiritual living in our church and bring us into the next level of our spiritual foundation that will fulfill our spiritual destiny. I see God's hand upon your ministerial calling to extend your hand by spreading the word of God in HIS kingdom to our Nation Philippines without any discrimination. And would like further to tie to join with you to make the kingdom of God be whole in HIS glory and this will be a truly a great adventure of faith and prayer as well. However, We are all in a journey of God's relationship with Jesus and our prayer is that you'll see Jesus in us in the way we serve each other working together in the Lord and we pray that God will bless us all and looking to hear from you too.
 
So, Yes I would love to work with you and anyone that is seeking a deeper walk with Jesus and ministering in this age where we are the Last Generation of Christians before Jesus returns.

John
Openly Gay Pentecostal TV Preacher
since mid-1985, over 50 programs
in other countries
The Stables Ministries

Here is a typical Gays For Jesus PalTalk chat room discussion (6/17/12)

Walker1: hello
Chaarabayash: Shalom
Walker1: that means peace
Chaarabayash: yew
Chaarabayash: yes
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Walker1: there is no peace  for the efenament
Chaarabayash: what is efenament?
Walker1: a man  looking and sounding  like a woman
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Chaarabayash: why would a man look and sound like a woman?
Walker1: because  they  want to
Walker1: efemanent
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Chaarabayash: So there is no purpose in their want or do they want this for a reason
Chaarabayash: Is if for acceptance?
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Walker1: they do want this
Walker1: it is demon poswsesion
Walker1: possesuin
Walker1: the flesh loves to sin
truth-seeker: homosexuality is still sin, is still an abomination unto the Lord, and will still send a person to hell--lev 18:22 mankind shall not lie with mankind as with womankind for it is an abomination unto the lord
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DivaOfDarkness: Leviticus was a holiness written to the Isrealities.
DivaOfDarkness: holiness code*
DivaOfDarkness: Read the entirety of the book.
truth-seeker: then go to romans chapter 2-new testament- still calls that sin an abomination-as you say read the whole book
DivaOfDarkness: I have read the whole bible.
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truth-seeker: could be, try believing it
DivaOfDarkness: I am currently studying it in the original languages. You know, before people put their opinions in it.
DivaOfDarkness: Instead of God's words.
TealAngelEyes: Hello room Shalom to you all
DivaOfDarkness: Truth, even if it is a sin, it is no different than any other.
truth-seeker: yep I have the arabic, greek and hebrew translations- gee they call it sin too
Chaarabayash: Is it love or hate to let someone know that they are on the path of error?
truth-seeker: I do not hate the sinner, but like the real Jesus I do hate the sin
  *** cbrons has joined the room ***
DivaOfDarkness: God does not love homosexuals any less.
TealAngelEyes: I would like to say something to you gays if I could not on mic in text if that is ok.
DivaOfDarkness: Perhaps you should remember the extent of his love.
cbrons: God doesn't love everyone
Chaarabayash: The Most High hates
DivaOfDarkness: Truth, are you sinless?
truth-seeker: perhaps you should remember the extent of his holiness, and righteousness
Chaarabayash: but The Most High mercy also endures  forever
  *** Tidal-Wave-of-GLORY has joined the room ***
TealAngelEyes: I ask you to forgive me a sinner if I ever did or said anything to hurt you, I am finding Jesus never spoke  about this subject and for the Church to speak on it we are in the wrong, as I am finding that the Bible has been messed with by man I will say this GOD FOR GIVE ME A SINNER IF I EVER HURT YOU IN ANY WAY
Chaarabayash: no sin is more greater than another but an unrepenting heart is an abomination
cbrons: Homosexuality is a sin
cbrons: You are deceived if you think otherwise.
Chaarabayash: Sodomy is a sin
DivaOfDarkness: Love can never be a sin.
truth-seeker: the problem with this country is too many sinners are coming out of their closets, and not enough true christians are getting into theirs
TealAngelEyes: We are going to find out alot of what we have been daught has been a sin, so if Jesus did not preach on sin of Sodomy and he did not Chaar you are in error of his teachings now
DivaOfDarkness: You can argue all you want.
Chaarabayash: no one is sinless
DivaOfDarkness: But love can never be a sin.
cbrons: Sure it can
cbrons: Man sleeping with man is evil
TealAngelEyes: Jesus met alot of demons in people but no one he called a GAY PERSON
cbrons: in fact in the Hebrew, homosexuality is declaired by God to be "toevah" - abomination
Chaarabayash: Does Christ come in the volume of the scriptures Teal?
gaysforjesus: still no one explain how they get gays into a vese
TealAngelEyes: SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAKE UP PEOPLE WE HAVE BEEN HOOK WINK LOL
TealAngelEyes: Chaar put your religion down now and give the facts
Chaarabayash: Teal may I read something to you?
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TealAngelEyes: did Jesus ever tell a gay person in his teaching to go and sin no more huh
DivaOfDarkness: The word that means what homosexuality is today in hebrew is not used in the bible.
suzanne002: yep i beleive thatwas the woman taken in adultery
cbrons: Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
cbrons: 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
DivaOfDarkness: Jesus made no mention of gay people.
TealAngelEyes: I don't know why they are this way but its not something you will under stand me either but years of hurt and years of many things it called LEARNED BEHAIOR
gaysforjesus: Paul wrote Romans in Corinth. Recently I went to ancient Corth to do a couple TV programs
gaysforjesus: Paul saw daily the Temple of Apollo which is at the center of town and can be seen from everywhere in Corinth
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cbrons: DivaOfDarkness - Yes He did... Jesus is the second person of the Trinity, God Himself mentioned homosexuality to be toevah, an abomination
TealAngelEyes: THAT OLD PAUL THE WOLF CAN SET ON A PIN FOR ALL I CARE
DivaOfDarkness: Cbrons, "burned in their desire" can we say LUST?
DivaOfDarkness: Lust is not LOVE.
truth-seeker: bye Iam out of pearls and patience with chosen ignorance
cbrons: DivaOfDarkness - you are self-deceived if you think God approves of a man laying with another man.
cbrons: Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them."
gaysforjesus: Paul also could see AcroCorinth 3 killometers away on top of that was the teple of Aphrodite, I also preached from that temple. it is said to have had over 1000 temple prostitutes
suzanne002: exactly-and if a man sees a nice lady walking by-and thinks lustful thoughts in gods eyes he has cmmietted the act with her
DivaOfDarkness: Cbrons, leviticus was not written for us, it was written for the Isrealites.
cbrons: yes it WAS written for us, the moral law in the Old Testament still applies today
cbrons: the dietary laws have been done away with
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cbrons: the moral law, the reflection of God's character, is still for today
gaysforjesus: Lev is talking about practicing str8 men going to temple prostitutes
DivaOfDarkness: Levicitus says repeatedly TO THE ISREALITIES.
TealAngelEyes: until I find a verse in the teaching of Jesus about gays I will not believe any lies of the church. WAKE UP half of the books are missing of them that walked with him for God sake lol are you \freaking kidding me
DivaOfDarkness: Through the entire book.
Ziggy Pop: hi everyone
gaysforjesus: all modern version Bible comes from Westcott and Hort
DivaOfDarkness: Teal not all churches teach against homosexuals.
TealAngelEyes: Matthew was hand picked by Jesus did he teach on gays yes or no ?
DivaOfDarkness: I actually go to a openly welcoming catholic church.
gaysforjesus: 50,000 to 80,000 corruptions in modern versions
cbrons: The moral laws, on the other hand, are not abolished because the moral laws are based upon the character of God.  Since God's holy character does not change, the moral laws do not change either.  Therefore, the moral laws are still in effect.
DivaOfDarkness: They are really awesome.
cbrons: The Roman Catholic church is an apostate church that promotes all manner of evil
DivaOfDarkness: We go there through the week then go to a church of christ church on sundays.
TealAngelEyes: I only read Matthew and John and Rev so far so until God tells me different I stick with those that walked with him from the beginning to the end of his life , Peter was a coward and ran off and left him alone to face death
cbrons: DivaOfDarkness - you better get on your knees and ask God to reveal the truth of this issue to you, nevermind what I say or anyone else, you go to Him to ask about this and don't deceive yourself into going along with the world's increasing acceptance of homosexuality
DivaOfDarkness: I'm trying to redirect the conversation   It is not working though, lol..
suzanne002: well if you are homosexual or Gay or transsexual or bisexual-in gods eyes you are abusing the natural affections that god put in men and woen to be one with the opposite gender
Chaarabayash: May I take the mic?
gaysforjesus: I preached from the statue of the unknown god location in Athens too, Paul had a clear view of the Acropolis where there were several temples, the main one was for Athena the fertility goddess
TealAngelEyes: death by his self wow what a bunch of great deciples he had all left him alone even his mother was not THERE TO SEE HIM DIE WHERE WAS THE GREAT HOLY MARY AT HUH
DivaOfDarkness: Cbrons, I have prayed and meditated and studied on this for the last 15 years.
DivaOfDarkness: I have the answers I need.
cbrons: Whether or not a homosexual couple is committed to each other is irrelevant to the argument since love and feelings do not change moral truths.  If a couple, not married to each other but married to someone else, commits adultery, yet they are committed to loving each other, their sin is not excused.
suzanne002: well am sorry gays for ejsus and mean no disrespect ehre-but you cannot be a christian and a rpeacher and have homosexual relations with another man-sorry but there it is
TealAngelEyes: WAKE UP YOU HAVE BEEN HOOK WINK ITS ALL LIES AND GOD IS SHOWING ME TRUTH
gaysforjesus: again romans was writen in Corinth Pault saw the str8 adults turning from GOD to gods then joining in the orgies to those gods
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gaysforjesus: homophopbes cannot change what Paul saw and what actually was happening
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DivaOfDarkness: GaysforJesus turning away from their natural desire for women right?
Chaarabayash: May I speak on the mic?
suzanne002: thats right-completely
DivaOfDarkness: It is wrong to turn from your naturaql desire but if you don't have a natural desire for women then what?
gaysforjesus: Paul was not discribing gays, there were at least 9 Greek words that would mean what we know as gays today, Paul only used the word for temple prostitutes
Ziggy Pop: is there sound please
suzanne002: what you are doign is against the natural order of what god intended-2 men doing that which is unseemly
DivaOfDarkness: Gay men do not have a natural desire for women, it is a natural desire for men.
gaysforjesus: what gays had desires for opposite sex? I am 65 years old do you think I would know?
DivaOfDarkness: To turn away from that natural desire would be wrong, would it not?
Ignatia: This room should be restricted. It by title is absolutely unfit for children.  Mathey 19:8 -
DivaOfDarkness: If it is wrong for a straight man to turn away from it, then it would be the same for a gay man.
gaysforjesus: what str8 Hebrew people did in Paul's day was turn from GOD to gods
Ziggy Pop: no sound?
Ignatia: Mathew 18:8 and following.
cbrons: Look at the issue and pray, stop following the world. The world may say homosexuality is okay, but God says otherwise. All attempts to weasel out of it, deny God's word, God Himself will not forget. Remember friendship with the world is enmity towards God.
cbrons: You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.  [James 4:4]
DivaOfDarkness: Ignatia, unfit for children?
gaysforjesus: They were fertility gods with very well defined ritual orgies
TealAngelEyes: I have been studying Matthew for over 3 days now with no sleep and I tell you MARY was not there when JESUS DIED where was she at , if they were killing my son I would of clawed their eyes out but no she was gone not there huh someone has been HOOD WINKED LOL
DivaOfDarkness: Ignata, what is unfit for children is the fact that they are being harassed and bullied to death.
suzanne002: well if you claim to be an opely GAY Pentecostal preacher gays-then ic an tell you something-here in england it is not allowed for a gay man to be ordaiend into the chruch-especially pentecostal churches.
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DivaOfDarkness: Ignatia, did you know that the suicide rates for gay teens is rising?
Servant-of-the-Lord: this is a room that is fake and diva do you worship satan?
Servant-of-the-Lord: 1
DivaOfDarkness: Because of hateful people like you.
suzanne002: I would alsorefer you to 1 tim 3, 2 tim 3 and 2 tim 4 on that issue
cbrons: And you, gaysforjesus, you are who Paul speaks of in Romans who not only engage in the sin but give hearty approval to those who practice it.
cbrons: heres the verse
cbrons: Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.  [Romans 1:32]
DivaOfDarkness: Why did I come in here.
gaysforjesus: it is not allowed because around 700 years ago a few powerful catholic leaders invented the antigay doctrine and within 100 years the prostest church adopted it
cbrons: that's a lie
cbrons: total rubbish
perfectpeace_1: instead of coming to a room and condemning people for a lifestyle, how about practicing what Jesus taught... FORGIVENESS
cbrons: and you know it
gaysforjesus: there is a history so don't let your mouth jump into a well  documented history
gaysforjesus: you need to study then explain
Chaarabayash: Lev 20:13  If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
gaysforjesus: Lev says practicing str8 man that went to fertility temple prosstitutes
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suzanne002: exactly-and im not condemming anyone at all i am jsut staing what the boible says about homosexuality-which in my veiw is absolutely disgusting
cbrons: I have studied, you yourself are self-deceived if you think there is some 700 year old conspiracy against gays. Homosexuality has never been approved of by God or His people... and you know that.
TealAngelEyes: the books are missing and only books that we have to go by are Matthew, John,  are the only ones who left a book about Jesus they were hand picked by Jesus but this other bunch that wrote half the Bible did not walk with him from the beginning to the end of his life
gaysforjesus: the verse also says if you accuse someone of committing the sin of the verse it is you that must kill them by stoning them
Chaarabayash: 2Ti 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
perfectpeace_1: we dont put our children to death for disobeying parents anymore
perfectpeace_1: the bible says lots of things... people tend to pick and choose
gaysforjesus: this is Hebrew llaw of that day
cbrons: Teal - Paul Himself was trained by Jesus in the desert. Go look it up
cbrons: himself*
gaysforjesus: 38,000 Christian denomination so how is yours right?
TealAngelEyes: lol so he said
Ziggy Pop: I sure am not here to judge as I understand
suzanne002: yes gaysforjesus-and thes ame law appleis today-so i suggest you stop your silliness and go qand find a woman to love
gaysforjesus: <--- Assemblies of God man since 1974
cbrons: I don't care how many denominations there are, the vast majority of denominations preach the truth to some extent. Minor theological differences don't make them non-Christian. Major theological differences occur when people (like you) reject the plain-worded commands of scripture.
gaysforjesus: love lots of women they make good friends and are good people
suzanne002: well gays for jesus I am a dedaconesss-or was in the AOG-ad we have enver ordaiend a gay minister yet and willr efuse to ehar an openly gay preacher in any of our churches
gaysforjesus: false doctrine does not make you right or the assemblies
cbrons: Homosexuality is the only sin I know of where God gives you over the sin and actually judges you while you are committing the sin
suzanne002: and also you can say all you liek about it-the AOG will not and never has ordaiend a gay minister-its against the denominational stance on morality for a start
cbrons: this is why so many homosexuals are hateful and close-minded, because they themselves have been given over to their sinful desires
gaysforjesus: assemblies also beleve a false doctrine about the Rapture being pretrib
Ziggy Pop: I find it the other way around cbrons
cbrons: I'll be praying for you gaysforjesus, take care.
Chaarabayash: 1Jn 1:8  If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
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suzanne002: well anyway  i am going tos ay one thing to anyone who is Gay here-turn back from your ways-or burn in hell-your choice
gaysforjesus:  fact about gays, they are employers best workers and are pilliars in their families and  they take care of people in the health care filed and much more how do you get the lie that gays are so bad
Ziggy Pop: to me they are very caring
gaysforjesus: how is given over to sinful desire that is exactly what str8 couple do?
Chaarabayash: 1Jn 1:9  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
TealAngelEyes: Chaara post one verse about gays in Matthew , John, give me one verse to back up what you are teaching
DivaOfDarkness: The love between David and Johnathan in the bible, in 1 Samuel. David love for Johnathan surpassed that he had for women. The word for the love between them the same hebrew word was used for describing love, as in intiament love. The hebrew word used was aheb.
DivaOfDarkness: Chaara, to compare it to drug use is a bit messed up.
suzanne002: yeah-and guess what-i run a sharpening and grinding company here in Birmingham england-and want a laugh here-we had several gay cliennts wanting work done-and ebcause we are a Christian company we refused to do their thigns for them-and im talkuing work like chefs knives and hairdressign scissors etcv-instead theywere referred to another company
sawdust_677: it is safer to have a gay neighbor instead of a straight one.
gaysforjesus: http://www.gaychristian101.com/  shows you every instance of the use of Paul's word arsenokoites
DivaOfDarkness: Suzanne, yeah, discrimination is hilarious.
sawdust_677: gays r nonviolent, not to be confused with pedophiles
suzanne002: well diva-I would sooenr not have their custom than compromise my christian beleifs
gaysforjesus: this word was used 56 time including Paul's use for the next 500 years and 76 times by greeks for 1400 years never ever hint to gays
gaysforjesus: these are the only documented uses of that word after Paul
DivaOfDarkness: Sawdust I don't know about that. I keep getting discriminated against, not protected under the laws of my country and denied equal rights, I might start wanting to get violent, lol.
sawdust_677: teal its your mic
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gaysforjesus: so you have to figure out how arsenokoites got to be used as gays
sawdust_677: 1
DivaOfDarkness: You need leep Teal.
DivaOfDarkness: sleep
gaysforjesus: It began when the Catholis want to perge powerful leaders that did not believe as they
DivaOfDarkness: 
sawdust_677: oh my
suzanne002: yes gays---and if you think of 2 blokes going up each others bottoms thats where the name came from to describe the anus
DivaOfDarkness: Suzanne, did you know that not all gay people have sex?
Chaarabayash: Mat 10:1  And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
sawdust_677: suzanne, thats cornholing not the same as being gay
DivaOfDarkness: It is actually about love a majority of the time.
gaysforjesus: in 1850 at a USA clergy convention  corinthian 6:9 was discussed and that verse was changed as to how it would be taught, it was  changed from masturbaters to gays
Chaarabayash: Mat 10:2  Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
gaysforjesus: won't inherit
pamela rae_1: Jim Bakker of former PTL CLUB was a closet practicing homosexual...
Chaarabayash: Mat 10:3  Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
gaysforjesus:  then in 1948 the 2 Greek words were remove and homosexual inserted
Chaarabayash: Mat 10:4  Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
sawdust_677: pamela, jim baker needs to be hung from that tall cottonwood tree of mine down on the creek
pamela rae_1: Agreed
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DivaOfDarkness: The bible talks about books that are not in it too.
gaysforjesus: Jesus said "born Eunuchs" indepth study proves beyond doubt that in Jesus' day this  means gays
DivaOfDarkness: Levicitus talks about one of the missing ones too Teal.
sawdust_677: eunuchs   asexual
gaysforjesus: indepth study means 10s o f 1000s of ancient documents and a decade of resech
pamela rae_1: I lived there in the days of PTL CLUB
sawdust_677: bless your heart pam
gaysforjesus: Jesus said most can't understand so go ahead be part of MOST and say born eunuch means as you say
DivaOfDarkness: I always wonder that if gays are evil horrbile blah blah blah's, then what the hell are hermaphrodites suppose to do?
gaysforjesus: <--been with my lover for 23 years we will marry probably in Dec when the gay marriage bill passes
sawdust_677: chaar, plz dont be on the mic so long this time, plz
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DivaOfDarkness: I hope gay marriage passes in PA.
DivaOfDarkness: So my fiance and I can finally get married.
pamela rae_1: Jim solicited his guards and camera men for sex all the time...Tammy did outrageous things to provoke Jim's attention...he wasn't interested in her.
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pamela rae_1: Jim Bakker's top aids, the Taggert brothers, were known homosexual brothers in the Charlotte gay community...
sawdust_677: omg pam
sawdust_677: pam, do u think bill gaither group are gay
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DivaOfDarkness: I hate watching people put God in to this unloving box, where his grace is not good enough, and his love is not strong enough, and where he is not above enough to accept his children, of all differences.
Ziggy Pop: People are so quick to judge
pamela rae_1: This is why his son,Jamie Charles Bakker, allegedly in ministry, is soft on homosexuals to this day...
pamela rae_1: Dunno about Gaithers
sawdust_677: k
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DivaOfDarkness: And yet people wonder why I am not a christian.
DivaOfDarkness: I'm going to go, have a blessed day everyone.
sawdust_677: see ya diva
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pamela rae_1: I just know I lived at PTL CLUB 13 years and watched God's destruction of the entire place and ministry because of Jim Bakker's sins...
sawdust_677: i got here too late folks r leaving
sawdust_677: pam, did u personally see baker up close
pamela rae_1: Of course...lived and worked there
sawdust_677: k
pamela rae_1: It was so sad
pamela rae_1: His marriage secretly destroyed...
sawdust_677: isnt jimmy swaggard a wayward minister too
pamela rae_1: His kids neglected....
pamela rae_1: Swaggart yes
Ziggy Pop: yeah but they are also human
pamela rae_1: Christian credibility destroyed in the sight of many tv viewers...
sawdust_677: matt crouch will take over tbn when his parents pass, i give him 5 years to tear it up
pamela rae_1: I will never forget hard lessons learned from PTL CLUB/BAKKER and God's manifest judment on sexual sins
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pamela rae_1: *judgment
sawdust_677: true ziggy but they r held to a higher standard then just a normal person who doesnt proclaim they r a minister
Ziggy Pop: oh ok
sawdust_677: pam they were hypocrities
pamela rae_1: There were wild parties with alcohol...wife swapping among leadership...
sawdust_677: pam what was the benefit of living in his compound
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pamela rae_1: Bellmen in his grand hotel secretly bringing up drugs and alcohol to cute little daughters of guests...
pamela rae_1: I was part of the good guys group there sincerely trying to minister and help people...
pamela rae_1: Many of us knew about Bakker's sins and others with him and were fighting this stuff constantly...
Ziggy Pop: anyway I am outta here I sure understand about being Gay and will not judge anyone been there and done that
pamela rae_1: Christians are to be the light of the world...we tried
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sawdust_677: ah so u were part of the problem, pam, not part of the solution
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Ziggy Pop: take care everyone
sawdust_677: surely baker had a group of overseers over him
pamela rae_1: God warned Bakker thru many that if he didn't repent, judgment would come...
pamela rae_1: AND IT DID.
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pamela rae_1: Hurricane Hugo came roaring through
sawdust_677: then jerry falwell took control
pamela rae_1: And demolished many buildings the week of Bakker's trial
sawdust_677: who was the disabled boy that baker used to raise funds
pamela rae_1: Falwell went down the slide of the waterpark in his business suit!
pamela rae_1: Kevin...
sawdust_677: yes kevin
pamela rae_1: Kevin's house
pamela rae_1: How do YOU know all this?
sawdust_677: why was falwell given control, he was a southern baptist
sawdust_677: i read about it, im not from n c it was on national t v for weeks
pamela rae_1: He used deception with Jim...
sawdust_677: ft campbell, ky is as far east as ive ever been
sawdust_677: falwell was a 300 pounder who died from a heart attack
pamela rae_1: But we saw God's open judgment on homosexual sin in ministry before our eyes through this
sawdust_677: are u a native of the tar heel state
pamela rae_1: The heartache it brought to his wife/kids...
pamela rae_1: Born in DC
sawdust_677: k
sawdust_677: was this in the 80s
pamela rae_1: Traveling to minister everywhere, now in Alaska
pamela rae_1: Yes '80's
sawdust_677: are u full gospel
pamela rae_1: Born again/Spirit filled and ready 2 die 4 Jesus
sawdust_677: k
pamela rae_1: Did u get my link?
sawdust_677: n o
sawdust_677: u posted no link while ive been here
pamela rae_1: ww_.AmericanHolocaustComing.com   copy/paste,add"w"
sawdust_677: is your link about baker and his empire
pamela rae_1: This is my blog, about coming events/persecution to USA CHRISTIANS
sawdust_677: oh ok
sawdust_677: in your opinnin
pamela rae_1: Left ptl 1996, been traveling Christian journalist/researcher ever since.
sawdust_677: nice chating with u pam im going to yahoo for awhile   t c bye
pamela rae_1: But never forgot sad Bakker lesson
pamela rae_1: bye
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FAITH_ OBEDIENCE: to be a active SODOMITE and then make the statement that SODOMY IS OK is an abomination, this room is of the antichrist,
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