Saturday, October 2, 2010

Mid-Trib

Mid-Trib

Easiest term for when the Rapture takes place is Mid-Term. It covers specific issues that is significantly important before Jesus returns. The Church is not even close to being ready so that Christians can be Plucked off Earth. Perry Stone’s program tonight 10/2/10 of a program he did in Israel some time ago he show a device for breaking open wheat and barley. That device in Hebrew sort of sounds like the word tribulation. It was a board with many protractions on the underside so that when placed on the cornel it would break open the shell.

Though Perry strongly believes in Pre-Trib his description and video clip of that board was like a revelation to me of more precise detail for the Mid-Trib Rapture because Christians’ shell needs to be cracked open. Christians have so solidified their shell around their true Christian nature that they can hardly hear what God’s endtime messengers are saying. Should a pre-trib occur Christians would still be in their shell encasement. It simply can’t be that such a suborn lot could remain generally insubordinate to God and still can be grasped by the Rapture pluckers. Really I want to know from those that believe pre-trib how can with no fanfare you go to heaven? Let’s put for the moment we are forgiven aside. Think about the last 2000 years of Christianity. The more info that come up as we get better able to dig out ancient history and report it we find Christians simply just aren’t as decent folk as we assume Christian should be. God showed Israel point blank amazing things. God wiped out invaders, parted the sea, you know the very significant unquestionably events to the people of those days. Why then even as they were led to the Promised land They all had to be killed off and none except Joshua and all the were born on the way went into the Promised land, then on top of that after seeing Jericho fall and those many things after crossing the river, they disobeyed and did not kill every living person and domesticated animal in the land. Going forward no move of God convince them for any length of time to obey. Jesus came, YES, Jesus comes inside us, but we are still the same humans. We still did horrific things for the past 2000 years. Does this go unpunished? Did God change with Jesus on the Cross? Can we still disobey God as a people of God? History tells us a profound yes. TODAY it is not better. Every denomination says the other is wrong. Many have extremely strict rules saying salvation must be maintained. This one says they are right the other says they are right. So who is right? Are you really more right than all other denominations?

You say you have love, but so many say you are full of hate. Are those people liars that say you hate? Why do Christians so often have the term bigot attached to their name? All those calling you that they are wrong. How did they get the concept that you are a bigot? Why do red state say blue states are going to hell and vice versa? How about all those that were persecuted by the CHURCH? I bet all of you know and believe in times past the CHURCH persecuted innocent people. Do you really think the prayers of those innocent ones went unheard? How can you think you can have a pre-trib having no accountability? The pre-trib main verses don’t detail and time as in “miss the trib” The “Wrath of God” is not defined as 7 years, but as 3.5 years. Also as Perry explained tonight about wine press as describe in the Bible about God’s wrath “like a wine press” shows me that God is still trying to get the wine out of the grapes. The ancient wine press did that well. Those people God is not willing to lose will be pressed like wine grapes so that at the end of the last 3.5 years they will be ready to enter the 1000 year period with Jesus as KING. Before that time the wheat will be beaten out of its shell as I said earlier.

A pre-trib Rapture gives not even one minute to break open the wheat shell so that Christians can come out of their shell and be dressed in their wedding gown a requirement for the Rapture. All the living a the dead Christians persecuted by Christians will have a big question for God who promised to answer their prayers. Do really believe somehow magically you are not responsible? Yes your sins are forgiven you. Should you die and huge numbers of you will and if you have kept your faith that Jesus is the ONLY Son of God and God sent him to die on the Cross to pay the price of your sins, then rose him on the 3rd day you will indeed rise with the dead in Christ even if you did not learn anything about anything about why this thrashing board in pounding you during that time that killed you. You still having faith will rise and meet Jesus in the air before the Rapture and see those still living catching up to you.

The Bible says this thrashing will last 1260 days. Perry could not have described it better though he missed the meaning it has that it will break the shell that surrounds the Christian so they can then dress in their wedding gown. Again and again, there is no free ticket to Heaven, it is work all the way. Not the work of good deeds though you should be having the manifest of good deeds since you are a Christian. Working to earn will gain you nothing, working as a manifestation of your faith is just a result of your walk with Jesus.

Your shock will hit you hard if you are expecting a pre-trib Rapture. If you expect a pre-trib then it will also go hard on you because that thrashing board is designed to break open your wheat shell. This should be easy to understand. The world is so full of info some radical some with much detail and there are FACTS galore about things planned for Christians in the coming days. Jesus is not going to return tonight or anytime very very soon. The Soon return of Jesus was talked about soon after Jesus rose and ever since. TODAY soon is much sooner now but can be until the last one alive that was alive when Israel became a nation. We’re talking as late as 2060ish. There is a monkey wrench in this date. Normally no one can live longer than we make it extreme to cover unknowns 120 yrs old. Science claims to be about to gives us unknown more years. This can extend when Jesus returns. God can and will and did set the date and so our age is not even a factor because we now might be able to extend it and so the “soon” will seem longer. But the point really is Jesus is likely to return way sooner than 2060ad. But critically and usually ignored in dating is the 144,000 and the TWO Witnesses. Again no magic, just fact. They are two people and absolutely they need to meet. Nothing anywhere indicates they have met yet. Not even remotely, no one nowhere at all is even close at saying they seen them somehow someway, though many claim to be them. I strongly suspect they need a couple years together before they tell the rain to stop so starting the TRIB. Yet how often do you hear anyone preaching about these TWO? Do a search, very very rare can you find a site that really deals with the TWO realistically and rarer if at all that they have any sort of life before their ministry. Their ministry is a good part to shake the CHURCH. Elijah is a Name the Bible gives one of those TWO. Probably Moses the other. This does not mean they are the real Moses and Elijah. The TWO were born and are ordinary people and not related to the Bible’s namesake except in symbolism.

Christians you are not ready and you cannot get yourself ready. You are in a shell. Hey God knows what he is doing, it is supposed to be this way. Hard to believe the ancient people of God can so often be so disobedient, but really you are the same. The shell on wheat protects it, so actually you insubordination to God actually formed a shell that protects you from falling away. You so think you are right and a good Christian that you can’t fall that easy because what your disobedience has done created a protective shell, but for wheat to be editable it has to be broken out of its shell and so do you. It will take 1260 to break open that shell during that time you will likely turn your backs on Jesus and help antichrist kill the TWO. Finally broken out of your shell you can see clearly that the rain is gone and that it is your faith that shines so ready to be Plucked off Earth properly clothed in your wedding gown.

Tuesday, September 28, 2010

How will God use gay in the end times

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Donald Foster

Donald says, "Hi, my name is Donald I am a Facebook friends affirming apostle; affirming Pentecostal I would like to make you a friend. I am gay but I do have problem with gay marriage thing which I am for / civil union but I can't find the Bible that doesn’t talk for or really against it. I know gays aren't sodomite male temple prostitute. How will God use gay in the end times prophecies. thank a bunches.”

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This link shows you how to think about finding gays in the Bible http://www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Centurion.html. Greek and Hebrew often thinks of marriage as the main spouse owns the other spouse. Even when you read the word married in the Bible the Husband owns the wife as though she is property and a slave. Marriage is pretty much a business proposition in Bible days. Knowing this tracking gay marriages is easier. http://www.gaychristian101.com/Eunuchs-Are-Gay.html covers a pretty good explanation of how to find gays in the Bible and ancient days, but http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/thesis.htm goes into greater detail. http://www.gaychristian101.com/David-and-Jonathan.html goes into the possible gay relationship. Other books and scholars say the words of Saul can only be he knew David and Jonathon were having sex. Bible phrases like “uncovering nakedness” is describing sex acts: 30 Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he said unto him, Thou son of the perverse rebellious woman, do not I know that thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother's nakedness?

Usually gays being gay can read material and see it talks about gays, while str8 has to think in str8 terms so need to explain it into a meaning that doesn’t hint to being gay. As a gay person reading David’s love story with Jonathan we can relate that this is a love story between two guys. Furthermore reading all David’s sex life we find he really never had a good marriage or really love with women. David had hundreds of wives and concubines. His first marriage was marrying two women who husbands were killed in war helping David fight. This was “YOUR DUTY” law. We see David committed murder sending a woman’s husband to the front lines. You just can’t read in the Bible David really satisfied in a opposite sex relationship. He DID promise Jonathan his faithful love and did keep that promise.

Ruth and Naomi have been shown to be in a lesbian relationship.

Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. (KJV)

In those days one of the most impossible to find is str8 men in the same bed. It was just not done for any reason. Wish as one might try to do to get 2 str8 men in bed together in that 1st century it just not going to happen. So they would have to be gay. Now if they are gay then one has to be SAVED because open was Raptured. The other was not SAVED so remained. NOW we know many Christians marry unbelievers today and so no matter our prayers or wishes at the Rapture their unbelieving spouse will be in bed with the believing spouse and one will be taken the other remain. (our prayers for our spouses and families may get them SAVED later as the trib continues after we are gone, but they can only stay in the flesh body for another 1000 years before they get a spirit body).

Short version how God will use gays:

1948 one psychologist had gay friends perfectly adapted in life and not sick. They had good jobs and life. Her work was with colleague’s was with gay they were trying to fix as in gay was a disease and mental hospitalization was needed. Finally she realized that did not match the gays she saw and were her friends. She went with the to the gay bars too so saw many gays. She began a study on healthy gays that led in 1974 that gays were declared not a disease then later declared perfectly normal people to where today we have a 60/40 pro/con rate. A boost was in 1967 God moved on Catholic gays, 1968 Protestant gays, and in 1969 secular gays. Secular gays (which included lots of Christian gays too) started the gay rights movement. Christian gays did their homework and produced intensive studies on the Bible wrote tons off books, gone into great detail about Jesus’ and Moses’ day concerning real gays and what the Bible says and the meaning of those Bible words and settings. As you see on any talk show with pro/con on gays the pro-gay side seems to be displaying God’s love while the con-gay (supposed Christian) side seem to offer hopelessness and a non-ending discourse on the evil gays. Those against gays claimed they are Christians and those pro-gay they said were not Christian. Like as in Jesus was a red neck red state Republican thing and Blue states weren’t Christian.

Objectively we see gays always trying to educate with facts and unconditionally accepting all peoples with open arms. This naturally aspect of all gays (sure some bad apples, but those aren’t really easy to find) is to love unconditionally everyone even their persecutors (the homophobes). The gay rights movements that may march on homophobic groups never is intended to destroy anyone, just to confront them saying we are people. Gay rights movements follow the pattern of any rights movement, though many other movements often had some violence caused by the movement, that is rare if not even found in gay rights movements.

Most gays are not so aware of this built in nature they have as reconcilers. All the ground work really is done, gay rights is close at hand hey 60/40 not 40/60 is pretty good. Christian gays have their Christian churches. Gay Christian internet site abound. We are about ready for the next phase from God. But intensely bad times for all Christians needs to get underway where huge numbers begins to turn their backs on Jesus (The Great Falling Away). I go into detail on this on my sites and TV programs. "Gays For Jesus" TV 24/7 http://www.livestream.com/gays4jesus .

All gays by their GOD given nature and Gay Christians having that GOD given nature plus PERSONALLY God’s love through the many gay Christian outreaches and Bible research showing gay is not sin will be ready, I think is ready TODAY should something happen, to go to fallen Christians and help them back to Jesus. This will shock the especially homophobic fallen. They WHY? We so persecuted you and you with open arms tell us Jesus has not left us and wants us back. Gays will mostly all of them will forgive their persecutors openly and lovingly.

Many fallen will return to Christ via the gay witness.

Wednesday, September 22, 2010

God rose a false region up giving it superpower status from comment by Robert soundman22001@yahoo.com

Robert same rhetoric from yet another factless homophobe

From: Robert [mailto:soundman22001@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:24 PM
To: gaysforjesus647@gmail.com
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John,

I have to say that I am a bit concerned with some of the things on your Face book page. It seems as if there are some discrepancies in some of the information that you are posting based upon the gospels. I have a very hard time

gays4jesus: Robert like all homophobes thinks reading a verse is enough. Being conditioned to think rape and prostitution and orgies is perfect defining of an orientation so long as it is gays is how you read the Bible. As we will see he uses a few verses but never even attempts to explain what word or phrase made the verse about gays.

He use this part of my post: Robert says: “with this one…”
God has a very specific plan and call for gays in the Last days. I don't talk about it much as it seems to be a never ending effort to reach the Church concerning their condemnation of gays. Today nearing 60% in some polls showing positiveness towards gays even including marriage now it this higher percentage it may be time I can spend effort is present God's call to gays. There is a very detailed progress of the stages God did in getting gays where they are today. It can actually be said that one woman psychologist in the late 40s started it secularly. God first had to get the process started with the direction to get gays off being classified as a disease. That would take 26 years. A few years before that God began to work with gay Christians. 1st Catholics 1967, then protestants 1968. The in 1969 the operating machinery for any type rights movement began for gays "the secular gay rights movement". NOW about 40 years later we are arriving at a 60% positive poll ratings appearing more often. This is the background for what is to come.

Scripturally this is something that is wrong. Jesus and the apostles specifically mention that homosexuality is a sin and that relations between men is something to be abhorred. Where did you get these numbers at? Clearly you have been polling in the wrong areas. Sodom was destroyed for just this kind of thinking.

gays4jesus: Homophobes wants the percentage to be 1% this number can’t even support the ex-gay ministries alone. Small in numbers ex-gays would no doubt need to be cut in half or more to support a 1% figure. Where did I get that number? Like all homophobes they hate facts they hate studying, they hate reading easily available testimonies and profiles that are usually a click away from the gay name they saw and so sent their hatred to. Had Robert taken the time to look at my profile and other gays he would find more links to more details about “how I come up with 10%” The Earth has nearly 7 billion people and in Christianity we say so far 6,000 years has gone by since God created man. Science used millions of years for mankind. This means with especially today having the internet, we can study history and present day. On my sites I explain I began researching way before I accepted Jesus and I started my sites back in the days on no internet in the BBSs days. Before that I lived and breathed reading about ancient times and world history and culture and science facts. When I accepted Jesus the final note was when I told God “if he were truth I would accept him” 30 days later events took me to an alter where I accepted Jesus. Before that I had already seen are read about gay organizations all over the world. You see Robert there is a gay community with a communication system called gay newspapers. They are like any news reporting agency with reporters, you know the routine. Being a gay newspaper they focus on gay news. Again this is a big world and so endless news sources concerning all the countries concerning gays. I can go into detail about that but only wanting to make the point of the huge number of sources to get gay fact worldwide shows even simple math easily makes 10%. As I said I got tons of info on my sites talking about my personal ministry throughout the world. I tell readers that at least one person in every country has seen my TV program. I may have at best guess wish facts calculation and all means in some fashion have at least 1 million people that have contacted me. I am suspecting more because site tracking is getting more sophisticated. Where before it may say 20 hits further tracking show 195 separate views. YouTube was seeming like maybe a couple thousand at best, but the tracker adds the total to be over 50,000 so who knows. For a fact I was in many Christian chat rooms when they first came on line (AOL, YAHOO, Prodigy etc.) Each room then held 50 people and you can go a few to several rooms deep before you start getting less than 50. This was around 1985 and for a few years I (the name gays4jesus) was the only openly gay person in those rooms. This met the moment I went into the room I was attacked by most of the 50 that were in the room. I had several accounts going so I could be in several rooms at the same time. I spent many hours a day (can get habit forming for sure, but with so many people non-stop condemning attacking and asking questions and more I often could not leave as it was exciting that God was using me to minister to so many) it took a few years before other openly gay Christians let alone any other gay person to begin showing up and speaking as a gay person openly. I don’t need to brag, but it is a point I am making about my credentials I literally was the first as there were no other chat rooms on the internet these were it. All other chat rooms of the day was very slow and a process to chat and very few people. It was “gays4jesus” since 1985 and earlier with my 6 line BBS called gays4jesus that confronted daily Christians. So I heard every imaginable way homophobes say gay is sin. NONE and I do mean NONE explain how they get gays in the Bible. At best they quote a verse. I know the Bible and the verse so really what is the point to quote it to me again? I want to know that you know what it means, so I ask over and over again, I plead, I beg, but nothing can get a homophobe to explain a verse. After all my pleading they just re-quote the verse. Often using modern versions (50,000 to 80,000 corruptions).

So personally in all this my worldwide ministry personal contacts with both negative and positive concerning the gay issues I have seen way more than enough to confirm reality 10% gays. Countries I never heard of Islands so tiny never knew existed gays contact me. Deepest darkest Africa, deep in China everywhere with generally the same story concerning how they came to know they were gay. A weird outcome of my name gays4jesus is str8 flock to me for Christian advice, pastors around the world pop up in chat to talk to me, Parents ask me how to raise up junior, dating single str8s want advice. All some weird reason think I can help them because they think God is with me. I am amazed and phrase God how is uses this name he gave me when I had to figure out a very short title for my TV programs as the station had a character generator that could not show small print, after prayer first run was Jesus4gays,, that was a disaster as in chat rooms short cuts are taken and so I was being called Jesus, well I just am not Jesus and have no desire to take Glory from him so I reverse it to gays4jesus. So, as it were I’ve been polling for over 40 years.

1Timothy 1:8-11: “Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and the disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and the profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the glorious gospel of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.”

gays4jesus:
1Timothy 1:8-11 8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. KJV

all modern versions has 50,000 to 80,000 corruptions as they are from Westcott and Hort’s translation which became the Church of England’s official Bible and all modern version comes from. Arsenokoites was used never before Paul by Greeks and 76 times after Paul in the next 14 centuries. Christian writers used the word 56 times including the 2 Paul used. Never were there any hints to the word meaning gays in all that time and uses. Robert how did you make it mean gay? What’s more in the USA the verse was not used to mean gay until a clergy convention in 1850 where the word was discussed. Previous in the USA it was taught MBs would not inherit, they agreed everyone MB’d so Heaven would be empty so they decided together to use gays won’t inherit since no one would feel upset about this group to mean arsenokoites, after all for the previous 600 years there were 12 verses used in the false anti-gay doctrine. In 1946 in the 1st modern version the 2 Greek words removed and homosexual inserted. In Paul’s day more than 9 Greek words were available to Paul that would today mean gays. Paul sort of invented a word which retained it Hebrew meaning “male temple prostitutes” the other word was specifically referring to expensive call boys (a Paul’s day thing for wealthy Corinthians). There are tons of different ways arsenokoites was taught so tell me how are you right today?

One thing that stands out here in another passage that really makes me think in all of this is 1Corinthians 6:9-11: “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither will the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” But wait..”And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”

gays4jesus: answered in the 1 Tim above.

This means, and assuming you must have some background in biblical studies, that you have changed your ways and have left the sin behind to follow the Lord in all that you do. This does not mean that you have a free pass to continue doing what is wrong in the first place, but that you have truly repented and left that former life behind.

gays4jesus: You should not have to assume my background as I often state my background to homophobes for the purpose of showing how they just assume so much. FACT FACT FACT when a person comes to Christ and accept his work on the Cross they do a visible 180 degree turn from how they were heading before that. This means every human that accepts Jesus will display a behavior able to be seen by others. Sometimes very dramatic changes happen other time some changes takes months or years. One Christian cannot and should never judge this process. You not judge a condition is required which if not visible means you are not saved. There is one condition that shows you are not SAVED and that is not believing Jesus is the Son of God and or rejecting Jesus work on the Cross meaning “John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (KJV)” all else is a daily walk where God who wrote HIS LAWS on that new Christian’s Heart and Jesus who now has a personal relationship with that New Christian is on-going.

Christians so often create sin list and demand them to be obeyed condemning non-obedience as that person is going to hell. COP out is the phrase “free pass to sin” You really need to get with real life and not fantasy what ifs. Christian do not come to Christ just to have license to sin. People come to Jesus to walk with him in a 24/7 relationship from then on. They are not trying to get away with any sin they can. This is so very stupid to have to add into any conversation about God is the stupidity that coming to Jesus that is it that kind of common to sin all the more. I rebuke you for implying anything about any sort of free to sin concept then applying it to those you just don’t like. The word REPENT is so abused it almost makes the word a cuss word unfortunately. Repenting is not whatever you wish to be a sin is stopped. The 180 degree turn people make when they accept Jesus is a huge visible display of repentance. Their 24/7 walk with Jesus is a daily devotion to repentance and a full willingness to change their lives as led by GOD.

Repenting is not when some homophobe say gay is sin so you got to become str8. If you truly believe gay is sin why don’t you explain it, so far every verse you used is not only showing you do not know Bible origins and you are using the corrupt version conditioning yourself to accept anti-christ as more deceptions are brought forth, you never even give anything at all to show that a verse talks about gays. Recently a homophobe told me yes yes Romans 1 is indeed about ritual orgies to other gods, but is still condemns gays because in the orgies there are MEN (plural) with MEN (plural) having sex together even though in Paul’s and Moses’ day it was like 100% of sex to other gods were str8s going to temple prostitutes. Somehow someway they said since men were with men in the orgy it condemn all gays. Even though in the same orgy str8 sex was the main stay somehow this does not mean all str8s. We have temples with wall to wall carvings inside and out of sex acts of all kinds depicted in the ritual worship. It is almost all str8 acts. How ever can any one mistake these ritual orgies as a way to condemn gays? REAL gays are in the usual meet date love marry and as a couple not an orgy group. I have been with my lover for 21 years. Gay bar scene is a drop in the bucket as most gays don’t go to bars many may as in their youth looking for a partner just like str8 do once found someone they disappear. I do not speak this as a wish but t by an 8 yr study on the gay bar scene. The gay bar scene is really not a lot different than the str8 bar scene. Most str8s and most gays again don’t go to bars. I also spent around 10 years in the gay church community. Yet in all this my life is deep in the center of str8 life all around and gay fit right in almost never known to be gay and so are in complete confidence of the str8s, Even when str8s knows someone is gay they still act their str8 life out so gays knows gay life and str8 life. This I am saying is not a hint to the fertility sex Paul and Moses had to deal with amongst Christian men and men of God in those days. These to famous Bible characters spent a lot of their life deal with str8 Hebrew men going to the fertility temples for ritual sex. In those very ancient days were real gays and there were terms used to talk about them. It requires what homophobe refuse to do “study” but it is not that hard to find gays in those days and they had nothing to do with the subject Paul and Moses were addressing. Mostly they were a non-issue and it was no biggy in those days.

Leviticus 18 talks about unlawful sexual relations dealing with married and unmarried, coveting your neighbors wife, daughter in law and in verse 22 it says this….”You shall not lie with a male, as with a woman; for it is an abomination.” This is something that has to be paid attention to. Moses passed this on to the Israelites and it is also passed onto us if we believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God.

gays4jesus: http://s91536390.onlinehome.us/gaysforjesus/HebrewGrammer.htm I am sure like most homophobes you will refuse to go to this link. However, "v'es zaachaar lo tishkav mishk'vey ishaw to'eyvaa hi." Your mentioned verse the word man means “practicing str8 man” English renders it “man” Hebrew is not English and has more than one word for man. The verse means str8 Hebrew men often went to fertility temples along to way to the Promise Land for ritual sex with the “male temple prostitutes” This was acts done to other gods (abomination) because God’s people were like a wife so it is an adulteress act to go to these other gods (womankind: adulteress woman). In ch. 20:13 the death penalty is given. This is not a wishy washy the law should execute them after a court decision of guilt. Hebrew LAW was very distinct on how to kill and who would kill. Those that brought the charge were required to STONE to death the one they accused. History never shows anyone killing gays based on this verse, lots of gays killed Hitler gassed 50,000, but none based on your verse. If you believe like you said and you believe Lev. Then why are you disobeying God and not stoning to death gays?

The final thought I wish to leave you is this from Revelation 21 in talking about the New Jerusalem. Verse 22-27 focusing on 27: “And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.

gays4jesus: I am a last Days TV preacher, I go into deep details concerning the endtimes are you opening up a can of worms trying to show me you think you know something?

And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the Glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. By its light the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, and its gates will never be shut by day, and there will be no night there. They will bring into it the glory and honor of the nations. But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.”

gays4jesus: ahh you are a judge after all, instead of explaining how you get gays in the verses you used you go into not only killing gays but killing them eternally by you forbidding them into the Kingdom.

I am not judging you in this situation, that is the duty of God and Christ Jesus.

gays4jesus: you are judging, stating you are not is a lie. You have not shown how you get gays to be sin, you showed str8s going to fertility gods and this is your way of condemning all gays to hell with out hope in God.

I am merely pointing this out to you where from the the posts on your page bring the false testimony of our Lord and Savior Jesus. For your background I am a pastor as well and have been now for 11 years.

gays4jesus: My calling is to pastors I urge you to consider that. I am not wishing or guessing this calling I am called. This is not a fly by night statement but I would suggest to you that you treat me like your own pastor for that is my call. If you reject this you are rejecting your pastor. I am not interested if you believe or don’t believe that I am your pastor. What will happen will happen according to my calling given by God and it is not something I would think you would like. If you check out my ministry’s theme you might get an idea what I am saying. Not sure what your read in my badge all it says in my TV program’s name “Gays For Jesus”

You being a pastor for 11 years hmmm you are just a young puppy you better start resecting your elders. My Pastor’s pastor call came in 1974 my ministry as Gays For Jesus began in 1985, my TV programs also began in 1985. I am Assemblies of God since 1974. My statement of faith is exactly AOG’s I been to many many churches as a secular job requirement. This means for around 10 years I was required to take groups of 20 to Sunday school and church services and many churches. What happens when the pastors comes over to me they sense Jesus and tell me so and they confide in me and tell me al they see in me is Jesus. In my home church the pastor often confides in me, though there were 3000 in the church besides his board and staff any things that touches him deeply about concerns on how his church is going he talks to me. This is history. I can go into many such stories of those that seem to only see Jesus in me, now those that saw me on TV and that my screen name gays4jesus and reacted homophobically I have many a strange story and many stories about what happened concerning their ministry. Prophetically homophobic pastors are in for a shock. But also I got plenty to say about pastors no matter how ill prepared they are for the coming days. You should listen to me it will get you a head start to me better able to handle what will come to your church in those days. Don’t listen to me won’t stop what will happen and so you will have to adjust by experiencing it. A gay is sin doctrine won’t hack it in those days, you will quickly find that out.

Numbers of situations matter not.

gays4jesus: numbers of situations matters not? What a cop out. Why do we need to stay in school to 12th grade. Why do athletes need to practice and practice? Heads of companies are not there by magic but much trial and errors. Why do we need to read and re-read and read again the Bible? You are telling 11 years of your pastorship is meaningless? You don’t mean a thing, you never changed certain things because you found a better way of correct errors you found you had? I certain hope I get a doctor that did many many operations before he did me. Hope he had all the various problems instead of me being the Ginny pig. So you are telling me 800,000 homophobe won’t tell me everything possible that a homophobe can come up with. You are telling me 3 hours talking with Mossad (Hebrew: המוסד‎, Arabic: الموساد‎), meaning "institute" or "institution" in Hebrew, known in full as the Institute for Intelligence and Special Operations or talking with senator about last days was useless. They came to me I did not go to them. How about situation where first handers came to me with what they saw and what they did regarding secret things. Guess situations are useless for anyone that talks about things regarding their topics. But hey homophobes can’t accept Jesus loves gays and shows them things. Beyond all my personal situations I have nightly visions for God about the coming days. I have over 200 Assemblies of God pastors that called me up so they could prophesy over me. I suppose they were false prophets right? Such a cop out to toss out someone’s 64 years of life because that would me maybe they have something important to tell you that might change you false doctrine on gays.

What I have or have not done is something between myself and God and I feel that as a human I have done my best to walk the walk that Jesus has commanded us to walk.

gays4jesus: So why them can’t you accept a gay Christian personal walk with the Lord and they are doing like you their best? Your interpretation is yours, there are 7 billion today some say at least when there were 5 billion that all that ever live is equal to the number alive today. Polls say anywhere up to 1/3 or more in the world are Christian. Who’s interpretation is right? Yours? Or should we study or don’t need to get real involved in some issues that really is not a big part of your life. Well gays are a huge part of people’s lives. 700 million gays makes 1.4 billion parents then add siblings and co-workers and friends and the number your condemnation soars. So y really need to know your topic more than a modern version Bible quote of a verse.

We as Christians are to help keep each other accountable and we are also told to stand for truth. With that I have said my peace and feel that the spirit has led me to this decision.

gays4jesus: we are not Gestapo we are to comfort one another not police one another. What is it with you don’t trust Jesus? Why don’t you go police str8 guys. Didn’t you see that CNN woman reporter recently she did a story on Craig’s list. She place an ad within in 3 hours she had 15 phones calls str8 men want to pay her for sex. The military has monthly training on hookers how to look at their doctor’s book, the color of the type if one color don’t have sex it means she has a std. They teach clean up after sex with a hooker and more. We pay taxes to teach soldiers since they will go to hookers the safest way to do it. In my hooch there were 16 guys one married a couple with fiancée and they shacked up with a prostitute they met. The other knew the prices of the key places of hookers with doctor’s exam books. We can get deep in the Rape a gang bangs and much more. Yet you as pastor will talk about gays? Don’t you have a clue about rampant str8 sex sin? Hardly mentioned are the famous sports figure that boast of 2000 sexual female partners. In the work place it is sex sex sex by str8, not much they seem to be able to talk about it seems sometimes but for you you want to go into the bedroom of gay couples that are faithful and monogamous. WHY? If the spirit led you to the decision about saying your peace then back it up in the Bible. I believe you are right you said enough led by the Spirit so as you can hear what I have to say Pastor. Maybe God is telling you to take up my challenge. http://s91536390.onlinehome.us/gaysforjesus/challenge.htm at this link I give my challenge. Invite me to speak. You and your church use and preach and call on God to do all you know how in Christ Jesus to do, cast out demon and whatever taking as long as youo need even fasting and prayer if you think it is a demon requiring such. Then it will be my turn I will make it very very fair It will be JUST me and just your whole church which you can invite other church to come join in my challenge. Lets see if God will move on your behalf that gay is sin or my behalf that gay is not sin. Remember I am cheating I already know God will move on gay IS NOT sin. You know your “situation” thing.

Just for your reference, I have been involved with many who are former gays that have given their lives to Christ, not by beating them into submission but by loving on them as Christ would and pointing out the same things I have to you. I am not trying to be a savior but a servant. The one quote I put from your page is just but one thing that I find offensive to our Lord Jesus and I am sure that when the time comes you will know what his thoughts are as well.

gays4jesus: You still think I am stupid, you are not very respectful at all, you just assume I must be so ignorant. I am also an expert in the ex-gay movement. First example it the first major movement of ex-gays in early 1970s called Exodus International. From whence comes ex-movement as we know it today. Here is the link of the founder of Exodus http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=166704399994&ref=search His story reads like most ex-gay leaders and founders. I have personally talked with many, many have found my site and tell me they are no longer ex-gay. Many others that I wrote long letters to and some are on my web page still decades ago today are expressing a total different view of gays. Exodus International is even seeing signs of not able to maintain operations. I got detailed testimonies of over 100 ex-gay leaders. Anytime an ex-gay come to me telling me they change it takes at most 4 questions to find out they have not changes. They usually admit they are still struggling. As a rule ex-gays last 1 to 2 years some cases longer sort of depend on the dependence they got into of the groups they joined. Ex-gay leaders and founders last up to 8 yrs again depending on the wide spread publicity they might have. Today ex-gay ministries have been operating from experience of failures and have tried various designs to keep leaders longer. In ex-gay leader private circles they talk like they are gay secretly so really living a lie publicly. Ex-gay can go into 20 30 years in a married life before it all they can take and they do things that get them caught.

When you say former gays and given their lives to Christ you imply being gay mean not giving your life to Christ. With so many gay churches (meaning born again, or otherwise as any denomination as they remain in the mainline denomination it is not some sort of satan church as you may wish) Gay Christian are not fly by night flaky Christians. Remember they have to live in a world where pastors like you condemn them. They are persecuted by you. Like Christian in history and many places in the world today Christian often had to adjust to the life around them. Gay Christians have to weed through your hate and dig harder for the truth than you ever thought was a concept.

You will find many many things in the future before Jesus returns that will seem offensive to you so much so as you may join the great falling away. The Great falling away is not you seeing some of your congregation leaving. It is because sign in great deceptions seem to say that man over there is Jesus after all. You might not be able to accept what God coming messenger are going to tell you. The more you hear them speak the more you will think about turning your back on Jesus. This is the GREAT falling away. This is what cause huge numbers to turn their backs on Jesus. Thinking you will survive is being blind to the intent of Both God and satan. Satan has a 5000 year plan and preparation period, we are at the in the last 10 or 20 years of this. The extent of the details of the plans for Christians of today is immense. satan did not make these goals for a sudden new batch of revival Christians. People born again in those days came by way of the new messengers sent by God they are not going to fall prey so easy to satan’s wiles. But old timers meaning today’s Christians so full on sermons thinking they know it all that is his target and he knows how and he has God’s permission. God set a time to shake the Church a 1260 period. It is that time that Christians gets their Wedding Gowns on. They don’t fit Christians are so fat and so lazy it will take 1260 days of dieting and exercise to be able to wear their Wedding Gown. This time is the fulfillment of Lev. 26 the 4th level of disobedience. 1/3 will come through the refiner’s fire. For the Rapture to be able to Pluck you off Earth it needs you to be wearing your Wedding Gown a requirement because the very first thing we are going to do after meeting Jesus in the air is marry him. We need to be ready and dressed for the occasion. Those that aren’t will not be Raptured. If you die first you get your fitting at Death’s gate like all the other will that died in Christ.

You are beating gay using the Bible as a club. In 1967 God began moving in gay Christians training them for ministry in the Last days. You have no clue because you don’t know anything about what God is doing in the gay community. You soon will and I really can imagine you will be ready for it.

You can do with this what you want. I myself will move on as I have said what I have been led to say.

gays4jesus: I am sorry, but you can’t just move on. Did you forget you came to “gays4jesus” I did not go to you. You are under the anointing of this ministry. I don’t have to do a thing because it is not me but God. From this day forward saith the Lord life as you know it will begin to change and will bring you back to this issue until you begin to truly study. Events probably won’t be really that fun for you and yours. Words and reasoning can’t touch your heart sadly the Bible tells us plagues and other disasters is God’s preferred method of spanking his people. The Church as a whole will be shaken. God raises up superpowers to spank his people then destroys those countries he spent so long rising up. The Church in in 4th level disobedience. God rose a false region up giving it superpower status. God spent since what 600ad rising up this religion that today is sweeping the world. They believe their religion must be the only religion in the world and any means to get it is godly. But once it has done its job God will destroy in an instance. 5/6 of its army will be destroyed at one moment. No power become strong unless God rises it. Islam can be getting strong on its own. God is raising up Islam to spank Christians. Don’t get me wrong Islam is the visible source not the powerhead. They take orders they don’t decide actions. But by you contacting me and saying your hatred of gays, you initiate a personal move to change your life as you know it. Hopefully you will remember this and come back to testify what happen to you. It is kind of cool to hear of lives changed by God.

Wednesday, September 15, 2010

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Friday, September 10, 2010

Missing in most predictions and Prophecy interpretations

Missing in most predictions and Prophecy interpretations

I find it difficult sometime to understand why so many predators no matter their sources, even from God of the Bible in real visions. I have no problem that people get real visions. Also, much of those that search and try to explain what they see is about to happen, and those suppose non-Christian psychics can be pretty good too. At least they are fun and entertaining and generally gives you the idea time is about up.

Christians don’t have a lot of excuse since all is to be confirmed in the Bible. But that gives way to how we suppose to know what it actually means. So it is lots of guessing so very good guessing. Lots of wishing we all want to know the future right?

Non-Christians can be used by God to get messages out. We don’t have to reject them sight unseen. God is telling us in no uncertain term the time is up get ready. God is not going to wait for you to figure it all out. But my beef about predictors is they seem to all miss so important factors. Sometimes unbelievers got a more clear view because all they can do is say it like the see it and add in other unbeliever sources and they will add in Christian sources as well.

Christians get the vision and listen to God then interpret it as to their current understanding. They should know all things from God will the Bible will not refute. The Bible can be very vague or quiet, but will at least be of such that it would at least not be saying it is not true so such a vision is great to ponder. Other visions no matter how real and dramatic and no matter what details God gives if it is completely different in the bible then two things can be. The person receiving the vision miss-interpreted it and assumed it meaning because they used nothing to confirm it and thought just because they got it then it is true.

Absolutely visions are an exciting and emotional and often life changing ordeals. This does not make them true in and by the person getting the vision interpretation of it. One person had a vision and often God would show him hell and the people there-in. The vision showed the person having the vision taken to hell to witness to one that went to hell that by doing so he could get that person released from hell. Nice to think maybe that if you did not accept Jesus you would get a second chance by saved people willing to go to hell (as it would not be fun for sure) to witness to the unsaved so they can then go to heaven. I do not doubt that persons vision, he detailed it and them to me over many interviews. God is God, can we think at some point we can go get the people in hell and bring them to heaven? Well the Bible just does not seem to say we get a second chance from inside hell.

The above vision (fabulously told because I only gave skimpy details) cannot become general practiced belief, because just really can’t back it up in the Bible. There are no side line marginal groups presenting strong data showing how the Word of God might actually say at some point some of us may be assign if we accepted to go get people out of hell.

Other iffy visions have been shown that the Bible does support their possibility and many visions have become very believable and accepted and hoped for and have strong Bible support. There are many really wild prophecies and predictions most people won’t accept, but are almost a shoe-in to happen. Now it is more common to find each new year most vision related predictions are for fairly violent changes in life as we know it. 2010 -2012 years shows the worst ever predictions and prophecies and visions. It is rare to find such that say good things are coming, Some will say after the worst happens it will be paradise-like.

So what is wrong with all this? They are missing some of the most important factors. Especially when it comes to Christian visions. TBN aired a documentary a 6-8 year in a car accident while being taken to the Hospital saw is dad thrown out of the car and angels caught him. Impossible physically to see unless being shown it. God told him he now will take him to another part of Heaven because he did not want the boy to remember the accident. Later the boy talked about being in God’s palace. Cool story and sure the boy was certain somewhere. He did not say God said it was his palace, se do we assume it was God’s Palace? Well we can read a throne in Heaven so there is Bible support for a place where a thrown could be. I never heard the boy say Jesus by name. So was god really Jesus, but the boy assume he was God (well Jesus is God). The Bible say God is Glorified through His Son Jesus Christ. Trinity stuff is confusing at times.

One famous preacher on TBN said he went to Heaven (near death thing) [extremely shorten story] he decided to look between his legs considering sex in heaven does he got a thingy. He told TBN viewers no it was smooth. Where is Bible for that? No marrying or giving in marriage? Besides he was not dead and he did not leave his physical body and put on his future incorruptible spirit body so he should have thought this is my concept or God just giving me a tour and so what I look like has nothing to do with actual spirit body in the future at the rapture or rising of the dead. The Bible state a few time about angels having sex with Earth women. Or rather something Heaven ward does, but never anywhere does it tell you guys get a gals look in Heaven.

Point above is we all love to hear vision stories. I sure love it. BUT we also need to use out God given brains to study and show ourselves approved of God. Jesus is a personal Savior and your best friend and will show you things as you can grasp the gest of why you are seeing them. Some said they saw Paul in a park in front of heaven and family reunions and such. They saw old folk and kids too. Where does it say gramps will be in Heaven? Do you want to be old as the hills in Heaven or at your peak? Will kids be stuck as a kid forever? So explaining it as Heaven does not make it a Heaven setting. Now when we die we are waiting (asleep) this could mean not getting younger or older and has nothing to do with your dead body changing into a spirit body.

We should listen eagerly to visions and ponder them and enrich your hope through them, but season it with the WORD of God. Each person can get visions, but they are not a prophet, nor can they know the depth of meaning in the Bible. Ancient Israel is deep in meaning we can’t get easily in Sunday meeting at church. Sometimes if you have a pastor that know this stuff you can get a glimpse at the richness of the WORD of God and how modern day rendering can’t bring out important parts. Today everyone has access to so much knowledge and so easily there is almost no excuse to accept something so blindly without a little browsing. It is important for many to understand these Last Days as so many more are going to need your help.

Missing in most visions and prophecy teaching is for instants the TWO WITNESSES. How often do you hear about these TWO? They are so significant in the Last Days and get no one seems to take them seriously. They will be hated and probably you will be helping antichrist kill them. This is huge prophecy and these TWO cannot be out of interpretation of visions. If you have a vision and the vision does not seem to show anything about the TWO you still have to understand the TWO will be here and will be major effecting ALL Christians. We have a Tsunami or Earthquake or other, was it an act of God, natural, was it a machine the Government has, or did the TWO command it?

We love everything about Prophecy teaching we have hungry ears, but why is one of the most important people of Prophecy not spoken of? (Note: this is also prophecy). So many such teacher explain away the TWO by really swaying so far away from scripture it is amazing how you can’t see the flaw. God out a photo of one of the TWO Witness on the moon. The image on the moon looks like a black and white photo of the neck up. It starts at the south pole and goes to the north pole. I have seen it for a couple decades. Hey, I get TWO Witnesses vision very often so my bias will be that photo like young man on the moon must be one of the ones that will be at the left or right side of Jesus. Do you think the Person God chose/picked however to sit and Jesus right and left side would not be etched in many places?

Well, is there Bible. Again, you may not or can’t find direct verses that state specifically it is talking about them. A few verses are very very specific. Then when you know a lot about history and ancient events and culture and word meaning coupled with leading from God to see things and revelations and more, you can read their life story in the Bible. There sin, where they are from and how they meet and when from then their ministry will start. Lots of this is my own perspective of what God has shown me, but I have done plenty of homework and tons of prayer and weighed visions deeply with the Bible. I could get more detailed of visions that do not yet have a specific Bible hint as to could be. I saw the TWO in a open jeep with several other in that jeep (very crowded) with the imperative determination to be in Jerusalem by 9pm that night and the sun already going down with bombs in the surrounding area as the jeep headed for Jerusalem. Flash next day. Almost a movie set not looking much like Jerusalem but the vision indicated it was somewhere there. The TWO came out of a building on one side of the street (a dirt street) antichrist sitting with several others at a table on the other side silently. The TWO knew they were going to be killed as they crossed the street. They crossed and a small plane flew over with a machine gun and shot them, the one died and the other (also known as Elijah) was alive and drug himself to antichrist. Antichrist looked at him saying nothing and Elijah said it is finished and died.

This Witness death was the Bible verse that said “the last that should die died” After that The Rapture can happen, but does not right away with maybe 75 more days before that happens. Now as I said I have had so many TWO WITNESSES visions often of the one that is “Elijah” he has seen antichrist a number of times in a number of situations. Preparing for war antichrist in charge, but Elijah is standing by him. Assume in the vision is antichrist knows he cannot kill him at that time and can’t even tell him to leave, so the Witness just is walking around viewing the war preparations. Other similar episodes where Elijah and antichrist were within talking distance and antichrist knew and saw him but remain silent and did not tell security to stop him.

Wild dreams for sure, but at least some vague scriptures allude to this sort of behavior during those 1260 days.

Many of my night visions are about great destruction all around and churches (pastors) really ignorant about the last days as it turned out not to be pre-trib and they may not be really great churches. I will say it like this. It does not matter your doctrine right or wrong or how good you served of bad you did not serve or how many or how few in your church. You have a church that is all that is required in the Last Days. You will not bring people to Christ or be much of a partaker in the revival in how people are getting saved. Your Glory is used up and wastes. Again PASTORS your glory is used up and mostly wasted. You will be of little use in last days in the fields where the harvest is ripe. BUT hordes of people will flock in your church, they will flood though your doors and starving for the Word of God. Your doctrines they are not interested in your church process can’t work. Saith the Lord God you will learn on the job training how to minister to these that come in hungry for God WORD. Nothing matters about your past manner. It is like a hospital in peaceful times they have every handy to operate get full pay for work done by appointment well paid good life, then suddenly plague earthquake war whatever, 1000s in one day overwhelm all the staff and doctors soon they are force to adapt to way never dreamed of to help the wound and sick. So shall you pastor be overwhelmed in those soon coming days. You will adapt God is confident of you in spite of your wicked past and disobedient ways where you decided right and wrong taking God’s Glory for yourself. What you see is God moving in a way long foretold on a disobedient Church (Lev. 26 4th level disobedience).

Often prophecy teachers avoid what the Bible says about the Church in the Last Days. Verses that say 1/3 comes through the refiner’s fire. So many prophecies about the end times are missing in prophecy teachers teaching. Often these things are blamed on unbelievers evil and God is punishing them. But this is for Churchwide sin. Head chopping lines are not for babes in Christ, but for you supposed matured Christian filled with your pastor’s wisdom in his teachings of the Bible. Satan is not so much at war with the huge numbers of new Christians, they will gladly give their lives, it is you that are mature he has hope to turn you from Jesus and made plenty of deceptions that will convince many. Screams at the chopping block you will hear. You that thought you will not see it.

God has prepared an army to rescue you if that be possible. Often those you persecuted will rescue you. There are hints in the Bible some very clear to this, but would Hal Lindsey for instance tell you your family maybe killed in your site? Prophecy teacher like him and it seems most rely on your support, would you keep listening if they told you other prophecies that shows how even you might turn your backs on Jesus? In ancient days the kings kept prophets that bid them good fortunes and favor in wars. Prophets that told them true prophecies about coming end to their reign if they did not get in line they often killed. Today we sit back to listen to all the bad things coming to us but we think we will miss most of it while the Bible says you it was designed for. We say we long for Jesus’ return and think that means a free ticket home with little pain. When we pray Jesus come quickly (as we should) we need to know that means 6 billion killed on Earth before he touches his foot on the Mt of Olive. Yes hope in his soon return but think about the billions to be killed soon and what is your life about. The first part of the TRIB is getting your Wedding Gown on. RAPTURE is not magic. Possible above to be proven scientifically if we continued on a safe enough Earth that the PLUCKING off Earth (Rapture) is not zap you are in Heaven. Heaven is a pure place, though you get a spirit body your minds spirit that was born again is not ready so nothing to the Rapture can grasp onto. The Wedding Gown is far more significant than casual thinking makes it. Jesus is to marry you and you need to be dressed for the occasion, He is not going to wait for you to dress. Being a born again Christian has nothing to do with wearing your wedding gown. It will take 1260 days to get you into a state that your Wedding Gown fits you. That is how bad 2000 years of Christianity has disobeyed God. Yes Christians and you are great wonderful people but sinners just forgiven. Though we have our life to learn about Jesus, so far death’s Gate finished the process, None has come back to tell you how that was, near death is not going through death’s gate. So we that remain and are alive need that same thing Death Gate does for the dead in Christ. About 1/3 can be refined with the refiner’s fire. The other 2/3 that died and still kept their faith gets death’s gate to get the wedding gown on. Want to be Raptured got to get through 1260 days still kicking and half the world’s population dies during that time, what’s that 50/50 chance to make it all the way?

Big part of prophecy is missing, it is the part that will help you standfast, holdfast, and persevere to the end. Begin to learn about the missing parts mainline prophecy teachers are not teaching you.

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Tuesday, September 7, 2010

Gays in the Last Days “WHAT IS YOUR CALL?”

What is the mission of gays?

Today at 8:57am

God has a very specific plan and call for gays in the Last days. I don't talk about it much as it seems to be a never ending effort to reach the Church concerning their condemnation of gays. Today nearing 60% in some polls showing positiveness towards gays even including marriage now it this higher percentage it may be time I can spend effort is present God's call to gays. There is a very detailed progress of the stages God did in getting gays where they are today. It can actually be said that one woman psychologist in the late 40s started it secularly. God first had to get the process started with the direction to get gays off being classified as a disease. That would take 26 years. A few years before that God began to work with gay Christians. 1st Catholics 1967, then protestants 1968. The in 1969 the operating machinery for any type rights movement began for gays "the secular gay rights movement". NOW about 40 years later we are arriving at a 60% positive poll ratings appearing more often. This is the background for what is to come.

What is to come?

Today at 9:17am

During the past 60 some years gays went from a disease bound for hell by generally all the Church to a well established world wide world wide community of Christian gays and vast secular network for world gay rights ready for the next move. All those steps God was not slack but worked in training gays secular and Christan to ready themselves for the LAST DAYS' calling they have. Secular does the rights job the best, but this should be the job of the CHURCH. The past 2000 years the CHURCH always hinders rights efforts, blacks and womens rights are 2 examples. Christian fights it all the way then claim credit when it becomes mainstream. God open the doors for Christian gays which brought them to a sense of dignity they never had because of Church persecution for 700 years. I believe a new door is about to open that will bring in operation of the purpose gays have in the CHURCH. 700 years ago the CHURCH amputated gays out and since grew very sick and weak and corrupt in many ways. Gays were a necessary part of the Body of Christ. The Church has been operating without a vital organ for these 700 years and has serous flaws making the world hate it even more. The Church should be an example of Christ's love to the lost world, instead it set rules that condemn multitudes 700 million of which are gays. Now nearing the LAST DAYS serious change in "life as we know it" is about to happen. Huge numbers of Christians are about to fall away. This is not many leaving the church pastors talk about as though worldly things and evil are taking people away. The pastors often point fingers everywhere except themselves. People often leave a church NOT their faith in Jesus. The Bible says huge numbers will turn their backs on Jesus in the Last Days. There are many reasons why, I am not getting into that here except to say we live in a time that is seeing many satan counterfeits of God happening. The Church is also in the 4th level of Lev. 26's disobedience to God. Does God care about the huge migration of Christians out of faith?

Gays steps in...

Today at 9:34am

Yes God cares and is not willing that any perish. Now we can see the true calling of gays (which will appear in many diverse manners). Try to be objective and recall any talk show or TV discussion or news interviews and whatever and wherever pro-and cons on gays appear in a public media outlet. From a mile away it appears the so called Christians standing strong saying gay is sin verses the what is hyped as non-Christian meaning the evil world pro-gay group. It should not be that hard to see that the so called Christians appear to hate gays while saying they love them. They never really do much more than say it is not them it is the bible that condemns gays and they are just telling that story (not explaining how the Bible's words means gays). But over all they seem unhappy with no hope to offer and a God that seem cruel out to punish and the way out is not possible to achieve leaving a hopeless message to all gays.. Then the supposed secular anti-Christian, no Christian, evil worldly pro-gay group according to Christian thinking gay is sin display Christian LOVE as the Bible shows "unconditional love" The pro-gay side nearly always is at their heart to bridge the gap to understanding and has an arsenal of facts in their hands. Full of forgiving and kind words and at their heart love for all with no judgement. I always felt that it seemed odd the supposed non-Christian (though yes many are Christian just not as one group of gay Christians they sit in the mix of the world variety of groups so seemingly made to appear as a non-Christian after all how could any Christian support gays so they can't be real Christian. Being a Christian I felt a little uncomfortable sitting amongst the unbelieving groups though plenty of believers are seen there too. But amazingly what permeated out was the LOVED of God and the presence of God from these pro-gays side of the pro-con discussion in that media presentation. Point is why anti-gay Christians behave in what appears to be hate and the pro-gays seems to appear as Christians are suppose to be appearing to be "unconditional love"

THE training and the CALL

Today at 9:58am

God tells me, shows me, presence to me, gives me visions and dreams and reveals prophecy and much more beside the old method of downright in depth studying and getting FACTS, that gays have a specific ministry in the end times. This does not hinder or prevent or get in the way of any individual calling gays have in any of the many areas of ministry all Christian take part in. There is information in all cultures about gays being a special people relating to GOD or gods. Being acute messengers or revealers of things that God want to tell his people. I don't care to talk much on this issue since I am gay and want not to imply thinking I am special, I think all are special yet facts are facts and Ican't undue history and those culture including Christian cultures. many areas of the Bible describe a great falling away and God's love not to lose any. There is plenty showing these coming times will be shocking to many Christians and most Christian have no clue at all what God is doing in gay Christian churches. I believe most gays are not aware of their calling. They may know something is up or there maybe more, but mostly nothing is the Church or world is at the point requiring the activation of world gay Christian ministry as their end time purpose in the Church. So gay Christian play church like most str8 Christian church are playing church. Some gays know. I KNOW! When the great falling away occurs it is like night and day for gay Christians (and any gays throughout the world will be stepping in to help the issues of the tragedies coming). They will begin telling those str8 that fell Jesus has not forsaken them. You might have forsaken Jesus, but he stands with open arms ready to accept you. Those thinking gay is sin will be utterly amazed at those they persecuted are giving so much to see they return to Christ. At least 1/3 of the 700 million gays will be Christian and an arming or reconcilers. One day those of you that are str8 and think gay in and you turned your back on Jesus will see a gay person with open arm urging you back to Jesus. Huge numbers will fall and if you think you would never you might be the first to fall. This Last Days think is not going to be a Sunday picnic in the park for a preparation for eternity with Jesus Christ. A time is coming for you to be fitted for your wedding gown and they won't fit. This will not be pleasant for you and you will fight all the way the effort God puts in to get that wedding gown on your. You have to have it on, There is no other way that Rapture HOOKS can grab you. The Rapture HOOKS can only grasp the WEDDING GOWN. You will seriously consider turning your backs on Jesus. God is ready to not let you be lost. Gays whom you persecuted will restore many of you.