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Ken is very outspoken in the anti-gay camp and worked hard to defeat Ref 71 (same as marriage bill)

My 1^st comment on Ken’s FaceBook:

John Gaysforjesus Hey hi all you wonderful people. I am investigating why people say gay is sin and they use certain verses. I have talked with over 800,000 Christian that adamantly condemn gays, none offer explanation of how they get gays into any verse they use. Will anyone here explain it to me?

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November 6 at 9:18am · Comment · Like ·

Right away, I got a comment on my comment:

Chuck Panarella

The words 'condemn gays' is out of place. We have all escaped from a life of sin. The only thing the homosexual movement does is enslave a person caught up in that sin. We don't condemn, but offer a way out. The same way out is offered to the Liar, the playboy who sleeps around and to anyone who calls on the name of Jesus.

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John Gaysforjesus

And as usual we have a person just flat out condemning gays without any attempt to explain how any verse talks about real gays. Chuck Please I beg you use the Bible and the Hebrew and Greek, explain history tell us how gang rape means gay is sin or male temple prostitutes means gay is sin. A playboy is a str8 man that loves porn and multiple sexual partners so way are you comparing str8 sexual immorality to gays. Just like the Bible you use a verse that says gang rape as a way to say gay is sin. Truth sets people free, if you need info about the ex-gay ministries and their failures I would be glad to talk to you about that too. I know a lot about that movement so can give you facts. I am still waiting for someone like Chuck to explain how he gets gays into a verse he may use to say gay is sin. Yesterday at 8:58am

Right away “again”, I got a comment back:

Chuck Panarella

Honestly John, if you read what i said carefully it is Romans 3:23. You can twist yourself into a scriptural pretzel trying to prove that a physical union of two men or two women is blessed by God, but it just isn't so.
Read Romans 1:18-32, 1 timothy 1:8-10 and just a basic understanding of Creation order. It was through the union of a man and a women that God worked creative order.

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John Gaysforjesus

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; (KJV)

Yes indeed all have SINNED, but your implication specifically is that gay is sin, not a general all have sinned. You are the one twisting God’s word to suite your desire to condemn gays. Because I am gay does not evoke Rom. 3:23. Rom 3:23 is in place because you and I are humans. What you are doing is saying gay is sin, this is the issue and the issue I stated was for you to explain any verse you may use to say gay is sin. It is you that is saying in an automatic conditioned respond gay is sin and so I ask you how get that in a verse. You did exactly what I said homophobes do and that is the part that you just state a verse. You used Rom. 18-32. You want me to read it. I have been in the Assemblies of God for 36 years and I have been preaching on TV for 25 years, I am sure I do know that verse since it is the main verse homophobes used so often out of the 14 verses generally used which it comes down to 4 actual verses. & verses use the word for “male temple prostitute” so we can count that as one verse since they all mean the same. We can go into each of those verses if you like. Romans1:18-32 tell me why you cannot explain it to me. I bet all you can do is say it is simple and clear. However, absolutely it starts by saying str8 adults turned from GOD to gods. In verse, 24-25 a change takes place generated by GOD. If you are correct, str8s turned gay in these 2 verses. However, homophobes do not use 18-32 they use most often just 26-27.

5446 phusikos (foo-see-kos'); from 5449; physical", i.e. (by implication) instinctive: KJV-- natural. Compare 5591. 5449 phusis (foo'-sis); from 5453; growth (by germination or expansion), i.e. (by implication) natural production (lineal descent); by extension, a genus or sort; figuratively, native disposition, constitution or usuage: KJV-- ([man-]) kind, nature ([-al]).

The Greek words defined themselves as how you were born not what you decided to change to be. It adds a garanteer in the word Instinct. What verse 24 begins is str8s as you are wishing decide to be gay. Worst still is verse 26-27 description of an incredibly vile picture which is so descriptive that if gays were being described you can see it without effort. REAL life gays do not behavior at all like 26-27 suggests. What makes you hate it so much is your own desires for females and so it makes you sick to image same sex sex. So what you do with females meaning before you married you dated your wife, fell in love, then married her. Problem is you may have also had sex with other women, as it is rare to have Christian str8 men to not have had sex before marriage. However, even whatever you did you are believing it is a normal str8 system to end up married and it is not vile. You know gang rape is vile and you know orgies is vile and other abusive and pleasure only seeking str8 sex. Now we go to Romans in the word of God. Paul really went to a famous fertility temple in Corinth; in that temple were over 1000 temple prostitutes and many orgy rooms. Also, in that temple was that statue to the unknown god.

In Athens, there was a temple specifically dedicated to that god and very often Athenians would swear "in the name of the Unknown god" Acts 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. (KJV)

Both in Rome and in Corinth Paul saw a fertility temple on every corner, just like we see a church on every corner today. What God gave them (the THEY people that turned from GOD to gods) was to join in the ritual orgies in these fertility temples. In that specific temple there were known to be over 1000 temple prostitutes. How did you arrive at the verse is talking about gays. In verse 28-32, lets look:

Rom 1:28-32 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (KJV)

Now let’s look at real gays in todays’ world (you can also look at the past gays were the same) it is a known if gays were banned from the health care system (this was attempted in the last couple decades in Washington state) THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM WOULD DISINTEGRATE. Employers say gays are their best workers, At my job at a large company we have many gays and they are indeed the best workers. In families during crisis is common to see the gay family member to take charge and see the family through the crisis. I could spend a lot of time on the good deeds of gays that are very very opposite verse 28-32. What I ask you to day is explain how you get gays into 18-32 and all you did was tell me to read it.

1 Tim 1:8-10 8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; (KJV)

It was Christian legal to own concubines up too the 11^th century. What LAW? The Law of Moses? How do you interpret the LAW? “if a man use it lawfully”? huh? Who says how to use it “lawfully”? YOU? To obey the LAW is obey ALL the LAW, I am not saying abandon the LAW I am saying if you are going to use the LAW then obey that LAW yourself. What you want to say is all gays are criminals. Bet you will come back to say I am twisting your words, but this is what I mean you need to explain how you get what you get in a verse especially if it is going to send 650 million people to hell. Again your choice of a verse indicates because you did not explain what you are meaning or explaining the verse you imply no gays are saved and you are evoking a list of sins to place gays in. Earlier I mention a anti-gay from Oregon came to Washington to make gay banned from the work place including any str8 supporters, what they wrote in the ballot petition would be by law placing gays in a list comparable to sex with animals, this would also put many “races” in this class too. It was tossed because that Christian group covered the flap so that could not be read so lying to potential signers. This verse is used because it has the word for “male temple prostitute in it “arsenokoites”. Paul wrote this word that means “sodomite that means “male temple prostitute”. Interesting about this word “arsenokoites” we have documentation on it for the next 1600 years since Paul wrote it down. The documentation is from Christian authors ministers. The entire article is intact to this day and you can read each instance of it being documented. ONLY 76 times in that 1600 years was this word used in Christendom. Never was it used to talk about gays. Generally, it talked about sex out of species. 1600 years is a very interesting for that was the time Protestants fully adopted the 100-year-old Catholic anti-gay doctrine they invented to create scandal to purge leaders from power that did not have the same ideals.

4205 pornos (por'-nos); from pernemi (to sell; akin to the base of 4097); a (male) prostitute (as venal), i.e. (by analogy) a debauchee (libertine): KJV-- fornicator, whoremonger. 733 arsenokoites (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace); from 730 and 2845; a sodomite: KJV-- abuser of (that defileself) with mankind.

Male prostitute in the 1 Tim:8-10 does not mean gay prostitute. In Paul’s day gigolo escort service provided by str8 males to female customers were quite common, almost unheard of if not near non-existant wwere gay ordinary prostitutes, However, sacred fertility male prostitutes as shown in 733’s sodomite which is the same as the Hebrew’s 6945:

qadesh (kaw-dashe'); from 6942; a (quasi) sacred person, i.e. (technically) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry: KJV-- sodomite, unclean.

6942 qadash (kaw-dash'); a primitive root; to be (causatively, make, pronounce or observe as) clean (ceremonially or morally): KJV-- appoint, bid, consecrate, dedicate, defile, hallow, (be, keep) holy (-er, place), keep, prepare, proclaim, purify, sanctify (-ied oneself,), X wholly. 6943 Qedesh (keh'-desh); from 6942; a sanctum; Kedesh, the name of four places in Palestine: KJV-- Kedesh. This is the key word in 7 of the 14 verses people use to say gay is sin.

Does clearly show it is not your average gay that is looking to meet someone for a date to fall in love then marry which is what “GAY” means.

6763 tsela` (tsay-law'); or (feminine) tsal` ah (tsal-aw'); from 6760; a rib (as curved), literally (of the body) or figuratively (of a door, i.e. leaf); hence, a side, literally (of a person) or figuratively (of an object or the sky, i.e. quarter); architecturally, a (especially floor or ceiling) timber or plank (single or collective, i.e. a flooring): KJV-- beam, board, chamber, corner, leaf, plank, rib, side (chamber).

If you take time to study RIB you will find Adam’s RIB is taking about a CELL, which we now know has DNA. Steve was in the DNA. Also Your idea about God’s plan starts with sex between siblings. This sort of things takes a lot o f time to evolve to cousins in the same tribe and all this is done with strict arranging marriage by family patriarchs. The, as you say without back up, creative order got a first act that males would feel in their guts that they own the females period and we have fought this ever since and it takes laws to force us to treat the woman fairly.

Gen 3:16-18 16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; (KJV)

“and he shall have rule over thee” was this God’s plan or was it the results of Adam joining Eve’s sin of eating that Apple? Try to keep in mind it is str8s that devised abortion as for gays throughout history they had children and today it is common to find gay couples with kids. Some biological some adopted.

Mark 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. (KJV)

You seem to love to try to break apart what God has joined together. I have been with my lover for 20 years and you would never consider asking for testimony of what Jesus is doing in my life. You would never even have come to mind to think about having any gay Christian give testimony would you on anything in their walk with Jesus. Do you think for a second that because you don’t ask that that stops any relationship Jesus has with anyone?

Once again I ask you to go into explanation, bring to be why you think gay is sin, truth sets people free and so if you so believe the Bible condemns gays why won’t you walk through the verses explaining them And go into history of the Bible days to show how Moses or Paul talked about real ordinary gays. Remember up to now y u acted like all the homophobes of the 800,000 that I have talked to, now this 800,000 I stopped counting over a decade ago. So can you be the first? The most educated Bible scholars will go no further than I saying it’s in the Bible, it’s simple, it’s clear, read this verse, or other phrase that avoid the how you got gays into the phrase you think it is in.

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God be merciful to me a sinner! I believe Christ died on the Cross for me, that God rose him on the 3rd day, and that His Precious Blood will cleanse me from all my sins. Forgive me of my sins and come into my heart as my Lord and my Savior. Help me Lord to do thy will each day. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.

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You are deluded. If the whole world was gay . we as a human race would have perish by now.

gays4jesus: This is more common than you would imagine as a statement from a homophobe. Somehow, homophobes get this idea that playing a “what if” game makes for good FACT to prove gay is sin. Well the real FACT is there are nearly 7 billion people on Earth today. No matter gays or not most think we are too crowded and for sure God’s plan worked the Earth is inhabited. Abortion, the pill, and other ways to prevent birth are a str8 behavior. There is much evidence actually more than evidence showing 90% are str8 and so there never was even the slightest chance all could be gay. Using this argument which is impossible to happen is a useless way to explain why you think gay is sin. History shows many gays do marry to produce offspring and a necessary as it were retirement insurance. Many gays today have kids that is just plain fact. What will make a huge difference in Earth’s population is when the one world government kills along with natural disasters about 6 billion humans in a 7-year period of time. Using the “what if” game shows your delusion to real life FACTS.

It takes a man and a woman to come together to make another. there is no other way.

gays4jesus: And it takes that same man and woman to decide to have an abortion. There are more than enough people in the world to take care of str8s that want to kill their unborn babies. Often gays will take over the upbringing and nurturing of the unwanted children of str8 adults. Gays often seek out acceptable ways to have children. And as I said earlier gays often had children after all str8 law in many countries in ancient days was women were just possessions and so many str8s had quite a harem because they often made babies with their slaves. We can spend a great deal of time on how str8s make babies. Argue as you like that those were sinful people, but you got tons of it in the Bible with no condemnation at all, it was just expected. The one man one woman thing is mostly from pagan fertility worship rituals from the 12^th century. Lots of info to back this up.

stop taking shit you retard.show me an Elephant walking around Africa looking for another male Elephant to fuck for sexual pleasures?

gays4jesus: Don’t have to go to Africa, just have to sit in my living room and watch documentaries showing many kinds of animals including elephants do have gays in their ranks. Homophobes just have to use terms that even condemn others. Using “retard” should be a term that has long left the human tongue as it reflects another ugly side of human nature to mock what they don’t understand.

If your Father was gay, you wouldn't be here talking shit..

gays4jesus: Many fathers are gay rendering your thinking mute as a way to try to make y hatred of a person standing up to people that we give names to these days (like the red states) meaning bigots, hypocrites, and more.

I feel so sorry for you having to sit there and justify why you like sucking cocks.

gays4jesus: It is pretty common for homophobes to revert to sexual imagery which somehow makes them feel superior.

Admit it, you have a problem?

gays4jesus: I guess so, my house is paid for, I have new paid for cars every couple years, recently I been traveling to many countries and I am debt free and not a penny of it came from my ministry. Next week I am going to Canada, next year to Greece .I am 63 years old and have my health. Been with my lover for 20 years. God answers prayers often and I have been physically healed 3 times dramatically instantly. I been preaching on TV for 25 years, pastors around the world want me to come preach, I can continue boasting for your sake of the blessing in my life if you like. If you call this problems then I got a lot of them.

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Samuel Balaraman Invites Gays For Jesus

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praise the lord, dear pastor, my name is samuel from india. i doing the indipent church ministries past 12 year in india.i have 18 branches churches establish of diffrent of places in india. by god grace praise god want to your fellowship.

gays4jesus: Praise God for your ministry. For my fellowship that is easy, just add my to your yahoo chat messenger using my screen name “gays4jesus”. I would be happy to chat about any topic you like and about your walk with Jesus.

i seen your ministries website i like the your fellowship.i will jion to your organestion. presently 10 missionaries doing the irgm ministreis various of villages in india.pl had for our missionary ministries in to your organestion.

gays4jesus: A bit hard to read the above sentence, but I will try to answer it. Thanks for viewing my website http://gays4jesus.com. Joining my organization is simply by participating in writing comments and other interactions on the site. You can give your testimony, meaning your personal walk with Jesus and details how you came to know Jesus. If God gave you a vision or revelation, email it to me so I can review it and perhaps enter it for others to see, or simply find a similar topic in my blog and make a comment and put that vision or revelation in. Advertising for support financially or materially for your ministry is not allowed, as my site is not a directory or a platform to ask my visitors for of other ministries. All are welcome to support my ministry if by $$ click even $1.00 helps. If by some sort of talent, always happy to receive songs, but over all I don’t need a lot currently. Prayers are always welcomed. Mostly your heart felt call of God and the message he has given you is what I want to share with the world. I am happy to list ministry websites as links so id your 18 branches or your 10 missionaries have websites send them and I will list their links.

pl welcome to india visit to our ministries area. i will arranges a gospel meetings next year.pl pray and reply me.

gays4jesus: If you are inviting me to go to India I am also happy to do so, but I do have a very strict travel policy at this time. All trip expenses must be paid by those inviting me. Airplane, lodging, food, in country travel, and any other costs that may accrue. Also, itinerary must be clear so I have some idea what going on when I get there.

pl visit to our ministries web site;www.irgm.org our vision is 1000 churches plant for our nation thankyou in Christ

gays4jesus: I did visit india.pl, www.irgm.org, and year.pl. Having 1000 churches as a goal is quite a commitment to God and I praise God and thank him for people like you.
OUR VISION;
1,1000 churches plant for our nation only.
2,1000 missionaries send to throughout india.
3,will be start orphanage
4,will be start out reach clinic(for free treatment)
5,will be start bible collage
6,will be start pastors fellowship(for every month)
7,poor helps(handicapped,widows,leprosy)
8,every month free eye camp.

gays4jesus: Quite a VISION. Keep in mind a few things, Jesus is about to return and billions will be killed first. Not to sound depressing, but to be uplifting. It is now time to prepare and make part of all teaching and preaching a note that ordinary Chritain living may at any moment change forever and it will not be an improvement in life’s conditions since it is anti-christ’s kingdom being set up and that won’t end until Jesus returns. Giving a message of hope only may result is a great falling away when NO HOPE become daily life. To give sustaining hope we must remind fellow Christians and the flock we shepherd that we are Last Days’ Christians and no other Christian in the last 2000 years have seen what we will go through.

A major deception, at least in the west is counterfeit Bibles. All English modern versions are satan counterfeit bibles. The are no sides to wars because it is a common goal to change the world into a one world government and it is not one country fighting another it is already just the preparing. This war we fight now is on religion and its goal is to get control of the religions namely Christians, Jews, and Muslims. Each of these has a special treatment to reduce their numbers.

My point is not to scare people, but to get Christians to understand we are not just going to go to church on Sunday. You want 1000 churches and you may get 5000 and it might happen in just months of time not decades or even years. It won’t really be because of what you do but because others are out there and saving huge numbers and they need a church home and they will go where ever there is a church and churches will fill to compactly. You may have to alter your VISION or adjust it to a way to meet the flood of people that will come to your churches. Again, they won’t come because you are some sort of good church, but there are so many needing to hear the teaching of the word of God.

Pastors, Ministers, Priests, Christian Leaders, Clergy

requesting entrance to your backdoor

Often when Ministers start out, they are very happy to talk to anyone. They are available and often seek people to contact them. As time goes on and they become successful in ministry they begin to forget their roots. Some is understandable because the bigger you get the more people try to talk with you and being one person you have to delegate personal contacts to others. Then you begin to set up protection from anyone contacting you out of your circle. Occasionally you might jump in just to remember I guess how it was when you started with personal outside contacts. However, even a small church or group has well established chain of command set up to keep filtered out anyone trying to reach its leaders (you).

Here in Washington State a referendum was on the ballet to repeal a law that gave gays the same rights as married people. This was introduced because Christian leaders, like pastor Hutch to the left, wanted to have the public vote, hoping that would repeal it. Well, it passed 52% to 48%. Now he wants to repeal the public vote and work to repeal the legislated original law, which he wanted a public vote to ban it. Pastor Hutch was a football prayer using any means to make his voice heard. Can anyone talk to him on the issue about gays? Like any minister they are basically good people, but something is making people like Hutch to spend so much time fight gay rights instead of ministering. Though he has associations with the 7-Day Adventists which should make other Christian denominations shutter, they join with him because of the common belief that gay is sin.

Now I am urging Pastors, Ministers, Priests, Christian Leaders, and Clergy to open up your backdoors to gay Christians. I know it would not take me long to touch your heart if you could just take the time to hear me out. What do I mean, “open your backdoor”? I want to be clear. Up to now, you are boss, what I want is you t ask me to talk to you about the gay issues concerning the Bible. You say such and such verse condemns gays. I want you go into detail by explaining how you got that understanding. Don’t get me wrong I am meaning much more than this. I assume you are pastor because you love truth and the BIBLE and that you have spent a great deal of time studying it. It should be a piece of cake for you to take time to go into detail about all the results of the studying and research you put into the gay issue since you are so sure gay is sin.

My background is not official education by some college, but for a period of 15 years I went to about everything all the special speakers had for preaching and workshops in the Assemblies of God church I attended (35 years in the AOGs ½ of it very actively engaged in learning). I had been on TV every week for 25 years preaching on the gay issues concerning the Bible. I have done at least 40 programs in other countries. I have talked personally with over 800,000 homophobes. Over 200 Assemblies of God type pastors personally called me up to the alter to prophesy over me. I received 3 major and dramatic physical healing in my body. I have vision often. Mixed in to my weekly program is about 50% concerning the soon return of Jesus. I know plenty (not boasting but expecting you to respect that and so use your learned knowledge about the Bible to give me answers to why you got gays into any verse). Many pastors want me to go preach in foreign countries in their churches, Not a day goes by that I am invited.

What then is so hard for a pastor that says he loves people and feels a call to be a pastor (I don’t want to be a pastor at all, it is far more than I would be able to handle, it takes a special gift to be a pastor, give me rallies any day but not to stay a shepherd a flock) I praise God for pastors and many people in their gifts to minister in their calling. I got mine and I am deeply committed to it. A pastor should never never never be caught up in phrases “it’s so clear” “it’s so simple” “it’s in the Bible” “God said it” or quote a verse and say go read it. This is not at all show love. But that is what people that say gay is sin say all the time. What they never do is say here is the Hebrew meaning and the history of it usage. Ministers are no different they just won’t explain what they say.

There is another very neat thing about Jesus. He comes into people that accept him. What do you think Jesus does? He has a personal relationship with them. With who? With those that Believe he is the Son of God and prayer a sinner’s prayer of some sort:
God be merciful to me a sinner! I believe Christ died on the Cross for me, that God rose him on the 3rd day, and that His Precious Blood will cleanse me from all my sins. Forgive me of my sins and come into my heart as my Lord and my Savior. Help me Lord to do thy will each day. In Jesus name, I pray. Amen

This means from day one they start testimony with Jesus. This means every gay Christians can tell about their walk with Jesus. This means they have a testimony. Why Pastor do you refuse to have gay people come up to your alter or during testimony time to say what Jesus is doing in their lives?

So, I am pleading with ministers to contact me to talk. I also have a bigger challenge detailed at this link: http://gays4jesus.com/challenge.htm

I am in live chat often, on yahoo I am gays4jesus, on my website there is a live chat with me button, just click the picture. Other ways to contact me of comment:

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Pastors don’t reject forever going one on one with a gay Christian that knows what he is talking about. I have not met anyone that has so much Bible knowledge as to give answers about gays. What comes from the most educated Christian scholars is the same: “it’s so clear” “it’s so simple” “it’s in the Bible” “God said it” or quote a verse and say go read it.

Beyond the gay issue is the Last Days issue. Pastors are just not preparing their flock to what is to come. You are gonna be shock when you discover you are “left behind” (that book is a book of lies). God has a purpose and Christians just have not been very obedient for the last 2000 years and it is not going to be “let’s get off before it gets bad” scenario. Your church will be over flowing with new born again people and you will be caught off guard on what is happening, why are so many coming into my church. It does not matter how false your doctrines are they will flock into your church because all they want is to know God and that will force you to seek answers, but you will be too busy with an over flowing church. Don’t you want to know more on what is about to happen to your church in the coming days?

gays4jesus
John

Jacinta Francisco Lucia Fatima WHAT DID THEY SEE?

Was this a vision from God of the Bible through Mary that supposed to have died as any human does, but Jesus decided she could become an intermediator?

I just watched a documentary on Fatima and I felt the need to talk about that here a little. No matter what all things just has to be confirmed in the Bible. If you can’t find some sort of confirmation, for whatever, reason it simply has to be treated as though maybe true in full or part but not necessary of God. “OF GOD” is important in dealing with anything prophetic. Predictions come from many sources, which can be placed in two camps “OF GOD” or “of satan”. Some very unlike God sources maybe very much of God and can be found in scriptures’ if studied diligently. Likewise many things said to be of God maybe quite from satan.

Many sources seems to want us all to have a choice about God’s plan à “The 7000 years” as though we can change major components like: if we choose to act this way (which simply never happens ever in real life) will have peace on Earth, but if won’t choose that way (which we always won’t choose) we will have war.

The Bible is a big book and covers this 7000-year plan of God’s. Likewise, if the Bible is God’s plan satan also has 7000 years to do what the Bible says he will do. God says Jesus will return and that it will not be a nice place to live during the time just before he returns. This time before he returns can be as long as 100 years or even as many as 120 years. This is based on Bible’s “this generation won’t pass away” after Israel becomes a nation again (1948) verses. We are not going to choose to do good and so have peace. Being good or bad is a non issue except it is better to be good as we are suppose be better after accepting Jesus right? The Issue is set in concrete and steel satan’s journey to the time he with antichrist has that 1290 day time slot of ruling the world as dictator stating he is god.

It is probably FACT that the above 3 kids did not have access to good Bible knowledge from self study or good teaching. They were brought up as Catholics for sure, but certainly as Protestants, we already think that is a ton of false doctrines. The right course for any vision is since it is not Bible it can’t be considered Bible, but it can be “of God”. Counterfeit is a word that is useless unless it really looks, feels, smell, and taste like truth. So, at risk of going to a medium like Saul did because Saul just could not get a hold of God anymore, we read, listen to many things that are other than God or might be not God. Some might be very much God, but through mechanisms that can confuse many that it appears of satan. Really confusing when you want to play with something invisible and you cannot touch and has to rely so much on faith. God is truly amazing and he can use many sources to get his message to people. You might have accepted Jesus because too many other sources seem to beg you to look into Jesus. Then accepting Jesus you straight way reject all other sources that led you to him (many Christians came to Jesus because Jesus came to them without the aid of other Christians until they could accept Jesus through a sinner’s prayer).

Irony of Fatima is huge amounts of its massage is so false it would almost be proper to classify it is 100% from satan. I say false because it defies scriptures so often. Problem is what are children going to do when zapped with a vision and one the repeats and adds more at scheduled times. Many people in many religions people get zapped with visions. We know how to induce visions by taking drugs for pleasure or medical. Harder is trying to discern what is real and what is manufactured as a process of natural courses.

I personally look at any prediction, vision, prophecy (prophecy after book of Acts, meaning after chapter 29 Christianity goes on until our day) occultic, or any other source as barometers, gleaning info from, or even potentially a way God will step in to deliver a message to those that can discern. I 100% defer to the Bible on any foretelling method and if not able to confirm, the message cannot be said to be God, but that it might be or it might not be and so should not be said as I got this from God. Once convinced it is from God you can indeed say it is from God up to when you are shown it was not from God, and then you have to re-evaluate the message.

Fatima had 3 phases, which many say has happened and is going to happen. What is completely left out are world historical facts. As I said earlier, satan has been busy for 6,000 years. He has not skipped a beat. Any message that leaves out Bible facts and real life goals of real life people which remain undeterred since the FLOOD presence a false massage of confusion and aids in preparing people’s heart to accept antichrist as Jesus (God). Fatima has no mention of 5,000-year history of the goal to re-establish the Day’s of Noah. Documented history that has been scrutinized many times correcting misconceptions and false teachings of History showing that something was going on that was specifically directed at consistently planning and re-working the process to achieve the goals set 5000 years ago has to be calculated in any vision any one has or a wrong interpretation has to result. If Freemason really are hard at work making a one world government a reality then visions that seem to say we can change things with our behaviors or prayers is actually rejecting God’s word by saying antichrist’s kingdom can be stopped because we turn into good little Christians from our disobeying ways. The results of trying to turn into good Christians is to make laws to obey forcing non-believers and believers to do what you think it right. The only LAW that being obeyed that will save you is Moses’ law. Problem there is no human can obey it and you have to obey every word of it.

Fatima can be fun to hear about, but we need to keep in mind God’s plan is his, he did not give us the power to change the 7000 year plan We can change lot of thing, but not peace or war. We can affect many things in peace and war, to say by our prayer of behavior we can make world peace or world war is not a feature of being a Christian.

Fatima’s message says things about Russia that does not fit what the Bible says. Fatima says Russia scaled back due to Pope’s prayers. REAL life demonstrates the scaling back of Russia opened the door for the Middle East to take center stage right on schedule not skipping a heartbeat. Fatima takes eyes off world events by making people focus on a location and so being blind to the whole picture of events that make antichrist take power at the appointed time. The Middle East could not come to power if the cold war remained status quo or that we went to nuclear war. The Bible says the Middle East with Russia come to attack Israel. That cannot happen unless the Middle East via the rapid rise to power Islam. Pike said there needs to be 3 world wars, this was before WW1. Pike (a 33^rd degree Mason) helped plan the 3 world wars giving the terms of each war which ww1 and ww2 met. The 3^rd world war was to be fought over religion base i.e. Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. The current climate of war is exactly that base. This has the planned purpose of controlling the 3 religions the major barrier to antichrist rule. Fatima ignores Pike 100% and acts like there is no plan by any world Elite to create a one-world government. Fatima says Christians can force unbelievers to behave so this will make God make peace in the world as though no Elite even exist or has a say.

The Bible says the Elite are here to create a world dictator that will say he is god. Historic and current documented event confirm behind the scenes a one-world government designed to kill billions and the Bible say in this coming short 7 year period billions will be killed. Peace will not happen until God’s 7,000-year plan is ready to start the 1000-year reign of Jesus on Earth physically as King of Earth.

Main point of this message to you is, glean without rejecting Bible confirmation and real life facts. Jesus is truth so lies just don’t hack it. It is not going to get better, watching and being a part of the billions being killed is not a sign of getting better. Surviving or enduring to the end and getting raptured and finishing that 7-year period will bring in peace on Earth for 1000 years.

You can affect your corner of the world (meaning what you can do [maybe able to affect a big part or a small p art of the world, most it will be a small part]) but, not whether the world will have peace or not. The world can be a bit peaceful, but we live continually on a razor’s edge of great suffering. It is our personal relationship with Jesus that can add peacefulness to our souls as we endure, but seeing such death all around cannot be comforting but will create fear in you. Quoting a verse about God is not the author of fear is not going to stop your fear, also it is extreme fear that will humble you before God in your daily because of sins that you ignore or blame and point fingers at others. The Bible also says fear will be much part of your life as the false doctrines and conditionings and much more that has made the state of the Church in disobedience to God these 2000 years. 1260 days of the TRIB is for Christian shaking as God literally Washes you in the Blood of Jesus. More on that in another topic.

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THE NEW BRIDE CHURCH AND SECRETARY OF THE UNITED PASTORS FELLOWSHIP

Reply to your email:

From: pastor ravipaul [mailto:pastorravipaul@ymail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 6:26 AM
To: gaysforjesus647@gmail.com
Subject: UNITED PASTORS FELLOWSHIP INDIA

Greetings to you in pracious name of our lord and saviour jesus christ.

gays4jesus: hello back

I am pastor Ravipaul from India   I AM THE POUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF THE NEW BRIDE CHURCH AND SECRETARY OF THE UNITED PASTORS FELLOWSHIP HERE .

gays4jesus: yes, I did get your first email do you have a webpage?

WE ARE PRAYING FOR FLAIT TICKET THAT GOD MAY PROVIDE .PLEASE YOU CAN ALSO PRAY FOR THAT .

gays4jesus: God likes his children to be very specific in prayers for things they want. A plane ticket is something very specific so you will need to find out how much a round trip airfare from Seattle, Wa USA to your city. Specifics are economy class enough in advance so it will not cost UNITED PASTORS FELLOWSHIP INDIA very much. Also, lodging should be added to your prayers. I believe when someone wants to invite someone, they will make the necessary arrangements. These things are specific and God won’t magically tell you. If you are serious about me coming to minister then you should figure out how much it will cost UNITED PASTORS FELLOWSHIP INDIA or THE NEW BRIDE CHURCH. Then you can ask God for that specific amount. When God answers your prayer, meaning you find the money needed to bring me to you, then we can make arrangements for me to go. Hopefully in the mean time we can do what you wrote below.

WE ARE DOING MINISTRY HERE INDEPENDENTLY. SO WE WANT YOUR PRAYER SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGEMENTS IN THE MINISTRY AND SPIRITUAL GUIDENCE.

gays4jesus: To me when you say “independently” that means you do not answer to a headquarters or district office so that you can make all the decisions for your church. I will pray for sure. “Encouragement in the ministry” means correspondence. If you email, chat, or comment on my sites I can encourage you in the Lord. Happy to talk about anything you want in the Lord “spiritual guidance” also must be done in correspondence. “Greetings to you in pracious name of our lord and saviour jesus christ.” Is your first line in this email. This is good as explaining who you are and what you do, but it does not tell me what you want. Spiritual guidance and encouragement is more than simple greeting phrases and nice Bible quotes. Encouragements is when you are “down” depressed, losing hope, or just staying the same level in Jesus and not moving up to the next step. Encouragements is more than a word it is getting specific to the needs of your troubles or perceptions of directions for your faith to reach its fullness in the Lord. This means if you want my help you got to correspond with what’s on your mind and what you see as your vision. I can’t help unless I know things about you. Guessing and wishing is not in my job description. Spiritual guidance can mean many things. Spirit comes in a number of forms. Your spirit, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, angels, devils (in all the variety they come in and names that relate back to them), and unexplained as it were as there are many mysteries we have few answers to. How the spirit(s) work and why. How to worship and praise in the spirit. How to operate in the spirit and spiritual gifts. So spiritual guidance is complex and so correspondence being specific in needed and I am happy to talk about these things with you. Again I am happy to talk about any subject you are wanting to talk about, God has given me plenty to say about most things.

COME AND ENCOURAGE ALL THE MEN OF GOD .WE WILL BE WAITING FOR UR REPLY.

gays4jesus: I am replying. I am happy to come, but you are the one inviting. I can be there instantly on the internet. I am on YouTube and can minister to you through 8-minute messages. I have a weekly TV program seem live streaming every Sunday Pacific Standard time at 7AM on http://scantv.org press the watch now button. My chat name on yahoo is gays4jesus I would be happy to minister to anyone one to one in live chat. http://gays4jesus.blogspot.com/ is my blog and I would answer questions and comments made on my blog. The “going to your church in person” of course means, THE NEW BRIDE CHURCH or THE UNITED PASTORS FELLOWSHIP will make arrangements and pay the travel/lodging and other itinerary expenses. I don’t like being so blunt but my policy is no money out of my pocket ( note: I would come alone so your out of pocket expense would be for one person not a team. If you like singing and such you will need to provide that). I would need to talk with you to discuss details. My ministry mission is to get Christian ready and maybe your ordinary service structure may not be followed when I am speaking. I am pretty flexible, but I am also going to stand firm on what I believe God wants me to do.

What I believe will happen is God will move. People will be Saved and Healed. People will be baptized in the Holy Spirit. Demons will flee and much more. A message from God will be spoken concerning these Last Days and what it means to say you are a Christian and much more.

THANK U SO MUCH

PASTOR RAVI INDIA

gays4jesus: And also thank you. I just hope my firmness won’t offend you, I do want to make sure misunderstanding doesn’t turn you away or that your church can’t pay for me to come to you, but at least that you will hold to your desire “ WE WANT YOUR PRAYER SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGEMENTS IN THE MINISTRY AND SPIRITUAL GUIDENCE” would not stop you from corresponding with me to receive ENCOURAGEMENTS IN THE MINISTRY AND SPIRITUAL GUIDENCE.

Gays For Jesus
John