STEPS TO A HEALING MINISTRY

Pastors around the world Hunger for the Move of God

From: a.kumar kara [mailto:akumarkar@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:15 AMTo: stablesministries@gay4jesus.comCc: stablesministries@gays4jesus.comSubject: FW: Prayer

Dear minister of Jesus Christ,Yesterday I have seen your Blog in yahoo messenger online. I am an independent preacher minister Pentecostal. How I will heal to others? Please guide me spiritually.... also I like to invite to my church, India? Will you like to visit our small congregation and do some healing here? We are expecting your miracle visit to my place.
Pastor Nayak, IndiaHope Church

JESUS HEALS THE SICK

Matt 4:24
24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them. (KJV)

Matt 8:16
16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: (KJV)

Matt 12:15
15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all; (KJV)

Matt 14:14
14 And Jesus went forth, and saw a great multitude, and was moved with compassion toward them, and he healed their sick. (KJV)

Matt 15:30
30 And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them: (KJV)

Matt 19:2
2 And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there. (KJV)

Mark 1:34
34 And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him. (KJV)

Mark 3:10
10 For he had healed many; insomuch that they pressed upon him for to touch him, as many as had plagues. (KJV)

Luke 4:40
40 Now when the sun was setting, all they that had any sick with divers diseases brought them unto him; and he laid his hands on every one of them, and healed them. (KJV)


Mark 16:15-20
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
(KJV)

It is almost that every time Jesus spoke to crowds when he finished he begin laying on hands and healing everyone that came to him. Of all doctrines one would think that a mainstay in ministering would be laying hands on the sick and those in need of a variety of healings mentioned in the verses above. I pasted in just a few verses where large numbers came to hear Jesus and afterwards he healed the sick.

Mark mentions tongues. This tongues stuff is explained in detail in Acts chapter 2. I believe being baptized in the Holy Spirit is not a requirement to heal someone in Jesus Name, but fact shows this is much more in the rare category and usually is in the form of a long healing process which is not very distinguishable from your body or doctors doing the work.

Step 1) ensure you are Baptized in the Holy Spirit.

Step 2) have a great desire to have Jesus heal others through you.

Step 3) prepare yourself for the steps below.

Step 4) do not let a gathering you hold go by without providing a time to lay hands on sick folk.

Step 5) don’t let non-movement of God discourage you.

Step 6). figure out any additional steps you discover may help.

Step 7) have an idea what to do with the results.

Step 1) ensure you are Baptized in the Holy Spirit.
Baptism in the Holy Spirit is about the most important factor: (pastor Nayak you already have this)

1 Cor 12:4-11
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
(KJV)

9. . . . to another the gifts of healing

Gifts of healing is a gift that Christians can simply heal others, but great as this would appear because many get healed what lacks is a balance and so having or using just one gift can puff you up and your ministry can turn into a Christian cult following. Jesus is at the center and centering on healing can distract from the one that heals for you are not the healer but the conduit of Jesus’ healing.

So seek severally the gifts of the Spirit. Baptism in the Holy Spirit is key to receiving gifts. Having been given gifts as can be easily shown in tongues is at your will 24 hours a day you can choose to speak in tongues and nothing but your will can stop you. Gifts are given and they are subject to your will. Having gifts does not make you holy or closer to God as a Christian not baptized. Because you have the Baptism does not mean your thought and beliefs and ideas of God. Don’t make your operations in the gifts put you on a pedestal and you think what you say is 100% right. You want to heal others seek the gifts of healing, also know that healing someone does not have to be gifts of healing it can be your other gifts and love that also can heal others. You may not ever get the gifts of healing, but you will have other gifts and operating in the gift you have receive can produce almost the same effect as having the gifts of healing, but enhanced because you work through a variety of gifts to obtain what someone with the gifts of healing can do blind folded. Lots more to this step but I am trying not to write a book.

Step 2) have a great desire to have Jesus heal others through you.
Is really quite obvious, but again emphasis remains on Jesus not the healings.

Step 3) prepare yourself for the steps below.
This is about the most important part of everything do with healing. You should be ready at a moment notice to healing the sick in any situation. This can happen just for the fact you are a real Christian, because it may be 100% Jesus wanting a person healed and will use you simply because he just will. This is not the way to receive answers to desiring healings to be common in your meetings.

To be actively ready at any moment means you have already prayed yourself blue in secret and you have read whatever you could about healing people. I also think it is good to know counterfeit healer tactics. Many religions and other practices use some sort of healing people rituals. You should understand what is God and what is the world in healings. Some know how to heal and because it works in front of your eyes does not make it God or satan. It could be either. Mostly we say outside of the Bible it has to be satan. We are so wrong on so many fronts. So generally you should have for a great deal of time already had and have interests in seeing people healed. If this is a new thing for you you do have a lot of homework ahead of you. Jesus is wonderful not being sick is about the best feeling human bodies can know if it is sustained. So know your topic. (You do not have to memorize the Bible just know it).

So above is an academic background you should be and have obtained. Bible schools and colleges may not be a good place or may be actually a bad place to gain background if you go there and 100% accept all they teach. Upper education has pros and cons so discernment gift should be in full operation as you study in such facilities.

More importantly is preparation by prayers (possibly fasting but that would be on rare occasions or your situation and desire to fast feeling this urging to do so) (fasting is a drink water, at least if you want water fasting included (this is a your choice not someone telling you thing) you should drink in a day otherwise health issues will rise very fast) but again fasting is mostly not needed most of the time.

So prayer closet is a must, praising God is a must, worshipping God is a must, thanking God is a must these done in private. Now don’t assume a ritual that is usually standard in Christianity to these few things. In Pentecostal churches sweet praising and worshipping and singing in the spirit and such are really really nice. But missing is what is praise? Praise is saying you did a good job and explaining what was the good job. Just saying I praise God is great too, but think about it there God is thinking “then don’t just tell others to praise God, actually praise me by saying what it is I did that you are telling others to praise me. Praise God is a command not the actual praise. Thank God for what? Yes repeating these popular phrases is wonderful and yea God loves it to no end and yes miracles abound in them. I worship you. So what does worship mean? I hope you are getting the point that if you want to operate with healing manifesting in your services or rallies then understand what you say in the process of these common phrases.

There you are standing in front of your congregation or rally you have done your homework perhaps with many years of crying to God and studying you have prepared and you know your topic (not the sermon topic which you should also know) but you know the time in the service now is to heal people. It is crucial to have your background in the Lord strong and unwavering. Healing ministries is not particularly liked by satan and his specialty is to corrupt it. Money flows easier; fame makes you feel godlike and these corrupt people very fast. Preparing is getting yourself aware of what you are stepping into.

NONE of these steps are really any good if you base your ministry in modern English version Bible or translations using those as a base. There are two sets of manuscripts the corrupt and the uncorrupt, both are 2nd century. If you use a Bible search to see if it is a RECEIVED TEXT translation or a King James Version translation. Today the KJV is really the only version from the Received Text so using any other version translated to your native languages is setting you up to be conditioned to anti-christ acceptance in that day.

Use KING JAMES BIBLE or ones translated from the RECEIVED TEXT

Step 4) do not let a gathering you hold go by without providing a time to lay hands on sick folk.
It is really hard when nothing happens for long periods so never get discouraged if no healings take place and you feel like a fool. You may lose people it may get tougher. But you want a healing ministry as part of your ministry. This may take a toll so dig in. Now maybe from day one people will be healed so right away you become popular and you have to deal with that instead. But like salvation sinners prayer should be offered at every gathering for people can actually take a step of faith and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. Having a period also for inviting people to receive the Baptism in the Holy Spirit should be a regular feature of your service. No one will ever get healed in your service in front of everyone unless you offer a time for laying on hands.

Maybe you are doing this now, you email indicates then if you are you are not seeing regular healings.

Step 5) don’t let non-movement of God discourage you.
Was covered in step 4 above.

Step 6). figure out any additional steps you discover may help.
Now comes the: you are not me and you are not anyone else part. You are you God called you. You lived your life and now you have a ministry you are a pastor you are in authority you can delegate and give orders and seek others and their talents to provide a ministry that is truly you calling. Here is where no one can help you. You should not follow an instruction manual to create your ministry. Use instructions as guidelines not rules. One thing I have grown to dislike like is the pride churches take in their entertainment as it were. Almost church competing who has the best choir or electronic presentations.

Singing inspired by God or the talents some people have is amazing use it to glorify God not to be the best in town. Money big time problems be careful in asking for it and be accountable for it. (don’t buy $23,000 toilet seats as one minister has done).
But beyond the usual running of your ministry’s operation and logistics to make the service run smoothly step 6 means if it is not working toss it. Maybe not that directly but meaning figure out something. I again am not you, what works for me may be a disaster for you. Maybe you sing and write songs, take a second look at that and try your talents in imaginative directions. Maybe old world religion songs and styles had their day and you been thinking on trying out an urge inside you to try something new. Maybe you got a comical side. This holier than thou approach to ministering just are ingredients for a dead church. I am trying to say use your God given brain to make something not working work.

Don’t get stuck in morality issues. This is disgusting to God flat out. People trying to say what is right and what is wrong to 7 billion people with all the cultures steers people away from these coming days that Jesus will return. Let God deal with morality. Add morality issues to your message and almost guarantee for a hard fall when the church spanking begins. Keep moral issues to a general condition of mankind and don’t point out specific areas as though you think you know the issues about it. Keep focused on reaching the Lost for Christ not how dirty people are. Once you talk about the filth of other then you invite your filth to be openly shown. Jesus came to take away our burden not to add to them. This is not condoning sins; it is bringing the Gospel to the Lost and giving God the opportunity to write his laws on tablets of flesh.

Too many pastors are just not looking “out of the box” God is throughout the universe treat God as God. Jesus Created all things nothing created were not created by him. Not saying God is bored but he gave us a mind and many talents.

I am greatly saddened when I see ministers center their ideals on large numbers of people especially youth. Ministers that use their talents to create a large ministry and add in as a major factor their ideas of morality which is actually not Bible, but they believe it is.

So avoid centering on issues you may think important so you make a main message. But also do not back down from a message you know is from God, just be ready to explain how you make it from God and that your info sources really are backing your messages. Tough times are coming, but the Joy of the Lord is out strength, so don’t place burdens and weights on those that come to you. Hard not to talk about issues you think are important morally, but remember it is not your job to judge 7 billion people or even one person.

Aim your seeking to have regular healings in the direction of reaching the lost and lifting the burdens. People love getting entertained us all the talents at your disposal, but never make entertainment a competition or a means to keep people coming and staying. Use entertainment (talents) to glorify God. But first and foremost is your message. Don’t trade your message for entertainment that brings people to your church. You are about the message God gave you and your ministry is based on you and that message. Just keep in mind interesting ways to get people to hear your message.

Some may get 10s of 1000s others may have a 100 or so or less, do what you can with what you got don’t beg other to give you more. Everyone has got enough to do God’s will as you need more it will be given. Show how you can use what you have (keeping as close to debt free as possible) don’t try to buy your way to a healing ministry or more people. Also step outside your church. Your church is your base maybe, but this is not a cookie cutter Christian time period. Those Christians doing same thing as year after year will not see mighty move of God.

Think about sort of unrelated to your church separate ministry. Have your regular church services (maybe set up guest speakers as need be) but also plan testing out trying out new ideas. As a pastor of all people you know how to gather people so maybe hold meetings elsewhere, but radically alter your status quo style. Find who you are or might be. All I am saying is NOW is the RIGHT time. Don’t let your roots hold you back. There are 7 days I a week and all are not Sunday meeting or Wednesday meeting times. You can try HEALING ministry on other days.

Testimony of Healing ministry founders are “nothing happens” overnight, but one night Jesus began healing in their meeting and from there their healing ministry developed.

Step 7) have an idea what to do with the results.
The probably most important aspect of healing ministries is what you do with results. There you are people getting healed. NOW more people hear about it and come. So what of them when they leave? If in your church and they stay with your church you can feed them God’s word as you do your flock. A great importance is once healed and or saved but they really are not likely to go attend your church what will you give them to cement their faith in Jesus Christ?

As we see many Healing ministries that are large usually have counselors and so take those accepting Jesus or gotten healed or both back somewhere to explain what went on. Maybe give them a Bible or reading materials and strongly suggest they find a church that believes in healings and baptism in the Holy Spirit as soon as they can. Give them also guidelines. We live in the Last days. As many as 5 billion people will be killed in a 7 year period in which half or those are very likely to occur while Christians are still here before the Rapture. It is not good to saved them heal them and send them out to be slaughtered. The types of things to come are things that minutes can produce not months or years. We do not need to promote fear, but we also cannot let them go without warnings of what being a “LAST DAYS” Christians means. Blessings will for sure come, but also antichrist’s kingdom is nearly built.

Summary is balance your desire to bring physical healing to people with the reality of our day. You do not need to be an expert on the LAST DAYS or much of anything to have a healing ministry, just remember these you minister to our going out into the DAYS that bring Jesus back. And it is not going to be watching our favorite TV show and zap we are in Heaven. When we see Heaven (meet Jesus in the air with the dead in Christ rising first) we will know and lived in great death and destruction beyond measure. We will have been made ready for eternity with Christ during a 1260 day period and not at “anytime or any moment” as many pastors suggest today.

Healing power can make you feel godlike know this so as to keep the Glory pointed where it belongs, to Jesus Christ who is the healer.

God Bless you in Jesus Christ’s Name
John

Trying to get much more info on Brant Baker

Response to a comment from one of my Blogs

Hi thanks for your follow-up post, my added comment is on a broader picture than perhaps the scope you implied in your comments

I worked in the music ministry of Shekinah fellowship during its Long Beach days.

I really enjoyed that large choir am I right as I recall Brant inherited Kathryn’s choir? I have Shekinah Fellowship Album from the 80s.

Brant was known to have come out of a gay "past" as had many other guys in the ministry.

So, this is outright saying Brant was gay? “out of a gay past” indicates he once was gay but something change and he is not gay now. Should this be true, then why would Paul Crouch erase Brant from recorded existence? I would agree many that were regulars that I saw during the several times I went to his services would certainly seems gay (not many stereotype, but this weird process many call gaydar.

Brant certainly channeled KK and was reported to have suddenly become possessed of her mannerisms, etc., after a critical visit to her ministry

Channeled? Channeled is a demonic practice. I worked for a company that sold audio cassettes probably the person that has the largest fanfare, she channeled some master from the other side. So you may have made a play on words, but it was likely like another close contact to Brant said in private gatherings they had with a group of friends. Just dressing up like Kathryn where if you did not know better you would think it was her. And another reference to demonic action, which I personally think disgusting of you as a supposed Christians to being defining action in satanic terms about a person that has about the most fantastic ministry is a great while (at least from the view of and outsider looking in from those that came to see him preach and hope to get healed). I was also impressed when I saw Kathryn Kualman’s services on TV. And still this point has little meaning. Gay transvestites are great actors and they get quite involved in whom they are impersonating and often take a liking to a specific character. This is not remotely related to terms like possessed so those that reported it as possession were not in touch with real life themselves. (personally I am not at all into opposite sex dressing but respect those that do it well).

I can confirm "anonymous's" claim about Brad's brother Kevin as well. Kevin was a nice guy and routinely had "temptation" trouble in local gay restroom haunts, etc.

Confirmation is centered on making restrooms a focal point. Fact is around the 12th century when the false anti-gay doctrine was invented it began to force gays into not the normal accustom fashion of people meeting for intimate relationships. Str8 could meet about anywhere, but gays would be harassed even at the slightest hint of intimacy. I personally would not got to parks or bushes or places that if seem may appear all you are doing is waiting for sex. I sort of old fashion and like being asked out on a date or asked to have this dance. However, many people just can’t afford to have any sort of relationship and are forced into a manner that would seem offensive to most. Once anyone gets use to a anonymous sex style it become pretty much their norm. I can fairly certainly say that what maybe ordinary sexual immorality if str8 did it as it were, when gays do it for said reasons the sins are charge to the Christian church on a Church wide charge. This means in that day the shaking begins the Church will be spanked for church wide sins. So be sure if you are a part of forcing gays into a way of sex styles normally would be sin God sees it as you doing the sinning not the actual person that has found it the only way they can know to have an intimate life with anyone. The are 660 million gays so most gays in the world do not run off to restrooms. So focusing on Kevin’s restroom activities is crude and showing lack of knowledge on why and who. Because you don’t like something does not place an act as temptation. Str8 Christians that are married and having regular sex often stand up and shout out to others that are gay and single that any attempt at having a relationship is bowing to temptation. It can be shown 69% of str8 single Christians have sex on their first dates. So bringing up restrooms without presenting Kevin’s personal testimony is like saying all str8 men fantasize about having sex with 2 lesbians. It really is not necessary to bring up unless some details of the processes are also included. Gay topics can be sensitive and so like many large companies and police forces do when their staff appears to abuse people with stereotyping with the negative they send them to sensitivity classes.

Joe Dallas also came out of Shekinah and knew Brant well - he is now a major "ex-gay" counselor and psychologist who, according to rumors, was heavily influenced by Brant's death to renounce a gay Christian lifestyle and go back to straightdom.

So your information about Joe leave a ton of info out that leads to misleading conclusions. Knowing Brant well implies he knew Brant was gay, perhaps knew Brant thought gay was sin and was going to Desert Stream (if he was) and so aids had to be God’s punishment for being gay (very very commonly thought by Str8 Christians in the day Brant died). My 35 years research into ex-gays including detailed research into Desert Stream (had several ongoing email with the leader of DS at that time in the 80s though not sure the year) I know Desert Stream lied vehemently about gays and they practically discarded any sort of concept of present Bible study results (as most Christians today do that think gay is sin). It might also imply that he knew Brant like dressing up as Kathryn and acting like her and generally it was a fun party atmosphere during a time Brant was still in Marihuana. So it was not until Brant died that Joe connected aids to gay is sin beside all the surrounding Christians condemning gays. My research into over 100 ex-gay ministry leaders and founders show most had very little if any Bible training and grew up in very strict Christians homes. Most were bisexual too. To be a counselor and psychologist and ex-gay counselor means you either went to college got a license which means you know in detail the findings even back in the 80’s that gay is not a disease and as a few years went by that there was nothing harmful or wrong with gays. Now to still think gay is sin means you must have went to a Bible college again I am the expert and contacted Bible colleges galore talk to many professors and students, gay just is not taught and what is said about gays is not much more than quoting the 700 yr old false anti-gay doctrine. It is very sad thing to hear someone having no resource to turn to except homophobic church during the death of a friend. Now you add this friend was used mightily of God to save and heal 1000s maybe 10s of 1000s. So surrounded by the group that promptly erased Brant Baker (TBN) and so any source he would have is gay is sin so change. I know the horrible words people say. Even today regularly this one Christians from Christian chat room always pops up on my ask asked me if I got aids yet. In the 80s maybe stupidity about aids was excusable, but in 2008 it is not excusable. Percentagewise more str8s have aids and dwarfs gays in numbers. Also so many disease target specifics. Brest cancel I don’t need to explain this. People get sick. Horrors of horrors it is a highly likely probability aids want created by the US govt. Again another story. The history of ex-gays in documented it now and even way back then could be said “no such thing as ex-gays” Today we got tons of data and follow up. I get so many ex-gays from the most educated to ex-gay leaders and founders to ex-gays swearing to me they are delivered and yet none are. Within a few questions it is easy to show they are not changed. Joe like most of the ex-gays leaders and counselors come into this function become of not studying. Of course there is a lot more to all this than my simple conclusions. But I go into the ex-gay questions elsewhere. It is really bad that those that believe so strongly won’t even allow a gay person to talk let alone give testimony in their church or anywhere.


So rapping this up I want to say I did not intend to make this a direct comment to Dave Koerner and it is not met to be read as a direct response to him. I would like Dave to give a bit more detail as he seems to vaguely say he is one that believes gay is sin, but somehow managers not to be direct in giving details about his comments. Sounds like he knows more than he wrote that would give a better understanding to a man that spent years and started becoming a national ministry and often on TBN with really very good quality ministry with a amazing choir participation in the healing part of the service. That he so influenced Benny Hinn that Benny’s ministry if near a fraud counterfeit of Brant’s. What Brant did with Kathryn Benny did with Brant. It is a known fact Benny did hang around Brant. Hearing old recording of Brant makes you wonder if Brant was copying Benny, but the fact is Brant was dead a decade almost before anyone knew Benny existed.

Please, people give honor to whom honor is due. Brant perhaps was the first heavily anointed gay faith healer and certainly one that was gain fame rapidly with styles that has so influenced modern Christianity of current day. He did not have the luxury of many resources of the gay community today. In his day most gay resources were secular and the common one were usually bars. Some gay churches were beginning to gain some national and even international growth like MCC, but I remember nearly all the MCC’s I went to back then were a place the very obviously gay people went and they were about as far from Pentecostal as you can get. I felt quite out of my comfort zone in gay Christian church, but their message was about as right on as any church denomination you would go to. MCC LA had about 3000 in it congregation and enough gays present to get a feel of nearly in a regular church because more gays that looked just like anyone you see anywhere and would have no idea they were gay was there. Most gays you would not know by seeing them.

It would be nice if Dave could have added info about Brant’s attempts at searching truth in gay resources if he had this. So far all my reading about Brant show no hint Brant did not more than his clothing store and upper class drug parties which apparently were mainly gays, but not real info on this, people talking about him does not say they were gay parties.

In the 80s aids was in the USA spread generally 2 ways drug needles and gay sex, Brant talks about Marihuana and this is not needles so that really says he got it from sex. It also was known those using various drugs let many guards down and so sex practices could place one in too many partners and so forth. After the 80s more knowledge became more available and we began to see actual aids numbers were large in str8s. This was noted in several counties that fit perfect into conspiracy theories. I have seen incredible documentation from scientist on this. Besides so much info that demand a verdict aids is very very likely to have been manufactured. Those that research into the biological warfare thing get really powerful info concerning the manufacturing of virus to kill populations. The very locations on Earth where aids is mainly str8 are the people that the elite wants killed off. Bad as this sounds anyone that rejects so much info is burying their face in the sand, They just don’t want to see it.

Dave writes as those he leans towards gay is sin, I hope I am wrong but I am probably not. This area of gays being used by God is very interesting to me. I have so many visions from God about openly gay ministers having similar ministries as Brant had. Brant lived in a day the closet is where gays had to stay when publically have Christian ministries. TODAY gays Christians need not to fear their str8 Christian brothers and sisters. TODAY is the day Pentecostal gays will take the reins. Previously non-Pentecostal gays held the reigns of gay Christians return to dignity. They did well, they laid the foundations and made strong the way. Pentecostals are not necessarily as patient. Like Azusa street began the modern day Pentecostal movement it took centuries of non-Pentecostals paving the way tediously breaking the ground enduring long periods as they lay the framework in which Pentecostal could rise and take the world with leaps never before seen, more people in the world can see the move of God at the same time than every other time combined. But as with all Christianity reins must be given over to the new times and season and moves of God. How willingly will those seated in high Christian place yield to God coming messengers. You think Azusa street or previous faith healing ministries of the past were something to see, nothing yet since Jesus has ever been seen or will again than what will be seen when Pentecostal gays are fully awaken and given the reins. Brant Baker was a taste just a half spoonful to get an idea. Lonnie first Jesus Freak, in Vineyard church’s history page gives 1980 saying Lonnie said “come Holy Spirit” and Vineyard church grew about a fast as any church ever did.

I can’t even get through a day without the presence so powerful of the Lord that this coming changing of the guard is just about to happen. What will be seen will be amazing. It is hard to explain. Today we got so hypocritical and so many think the church is corrupt we all gone so far astray how is it that we can even call over selves God’s People we have so venture into disobedience and we truly believe our disobedience is actually us obeying God. Church wide God’s people need to be brought back. Go figure those it hated the most are the very ones that will get them back on course for God.

As Always I want to end begging those that read this still thinking gay is sin that you would please please please explain how you get words in the Bible to talk about real gays. What is simply not found in any group, church, or person saying gay is sin is an explanation of a verse, a word, or a phrase they claim means it is talking about gays. 14 verses in that antigay doctrine what can be so hard as to present info that words like sodomite mean gays instead of male temple prostitutes or where did Paul see gays so he could write about gays. Best I ever hear is “it is simple” “God hates it” “its in the Bible” or they quote one of those 14 verses. For them they did God’s duty and I should just accept what they said is final and means gay is sin. They love to say if I so much as try to use any source then I am twisting the word. Well my begging has resulted in total failure still over 800,000 plus homophobes later still no one that thinks gay is sin will explain how they get gays into the Bible. Rape to them means gays, I don’t understand it please help me know how 1000s of males and females raping to death 2 angels makes gay sin. Then right after this Lot’s daughters raped him and had babies. Wasted time asking any person that thinks gay is sin, but I will go on asking one would think if gay was such a sin then it would really be pretty easy to present some strong Bible facts and historical facts about Paul and others of that day showing this was sin Biblically speaking. This last paragraph was to try to hit home further meaning gay is not sin just alone based on no one can back up their mouths against gays.

Thanks for your time
God Bless you

EX-GAYS THERE ARE NONE

IE Pat Robertson’s 2-19-08 show’s ex-gay claims
not complete or edited for easy reading yet

On a show today Pat talked on ex-gays. It is so amazing how people that think gay is sin can so consistently avoid using facts.
Case in point a no offense intended bull dyke lesbian had years with her lover who told her God loves her and generally things that were if it is good or love and not hurting anyone then it is ok with God. I am not quoting her just making the point that this lesbian decided to change because her church said gay is sin and her only positive gay information was vague concept that love covers everything thing (little more detail I am not going into because I want to make a point concerning claim ex-gay works).
First and foremost is in Pat’s presentation not even a clue as to real Bible words were explained and the ex-gay lesbian’s approach was forget the Bible and listen to her pastor. She said right away the church was so accepting and the narrator explained church open doors for ex-gays. Meaning only way any church should accept gays is if they are committing themselves to be ex-gay.
Also stated that the hindrances to this were churches that were tolerant to gays and believed gays can’t change so this made a church wide policy hard to achieve.
I have been around a very long time; Pat referred to Exodus International as taking leadership role in the ex-gay movement and had over 100 ex-gay ministries that associated themselves with Exodus. I accepted Jesus around the year Exodus began. I know considerable about Exodus on how it started the 2 founders becoming lovers the takeover of str8s and new leaders that never even had sex one marrying right away the secretary who was a str8 woman.
The two founders went across the land trying to make amends for their few years as Exodus’s leaders. They told of how ex-gay ministry harms people. Pat tried to say there is no harm done; this is so very stupid because great harm is done. First of all each ex-gay that maintain a claim they are delivered live in a lie that with a few question can be uncovered.
When the bull dyke was saying how she was no longer gay because of my experience and signs I can see in body language it was easy to note she was not delivered and she was claiming deliverance speaking it into being as many Pastors teach this type doctrine. I just have seen too much and know too much and seen too many studies. The study Pat referred to trying to show no harm is done when gays become ex-gays is terribly misleading. Their complaint is media and many Christian groups stand in the way of reporting their findings.
This study tries to defy facts and they look at cases just because some do go to long term. What is vagrantly missing is that nearly all ex-gays while ex-gay will not leave well enou7gh alone as the ex-gay ministries claim in their doctrine and policies. It is said often that they are helping those that want help and so those not wanting help so be it and so they don’t as it were bother those. Problem is all ex-gays go out and when asked or they just do it on their own condemn all gays. A result of becoming ex-gay is to condemn gays from that point on.
I am not a fly by night wishing my own ideas to be fact, I have been researching ex-gays for 35 years and I attract ex-gays in large numbers and so I get intimate detail about ex-gays and their beliefs. So when I write this to you I have done my homework.
If gay were sin it would stand any test you give it. Facts and history and ancient words and much more would just out of history right into those that condemn gays lap so they with little study could present volumes of muscle behind their statements gay is sin.
Real life facts is in the far over 800,000 homophobes I talk with over the years not even one can produce one piece of evidence that gay is sin. They just say it so simple, it’s so clear, God hate it or at least the practice of it. I even have a part of my ministry that flat out is designed to beg homophobes to explain how they get gays into a verse and none will. Pat ran for president but you will never see him explain how he gets gays into the Bible. It is an assumed feature of his ministry. He has at time put out a great deal on his belief about gays and I have gotten many gays that has gotten direct contacts and mailings from him so I know some detail about Pat and one is he refuses completely to go past assumption that gay is sin.
That study Pat used to say gays becoming ex-gay harm are just does not fit into the picture. But some of the worst attackers towards gays are ex-gays. My chat screen name is gays4jesus and so I get a ton of people and ex-gays often flock to me to condemn me and claim they are delivered. Over these decade what is a main pattern is ministries to ex-gays toss out any resemblance to Christianity at least in the faith of the ex-gay ministry’s leaders.
Pentecostal ex-gay ministries do not use the Holy Spirit operation and you will never see any sort of move of the Holy Spirit like in their home church in a worship service. In Pentecostal ex-gay ministries what you find is a very fat book that detail behavior modification techniques of secular therapists. The irony is their home church most likely condemns secular therapists. An Assemblies of God pastor told me once the women therapists in Seattle were all lesbians.
Pastors in presenting Jesus will go into depths using every means available to show evidence or facts about Jesus outside the Bible verses to try to prove the Bible is right on Jesus rising from the dead. So many topics pastors spend a great deal of time on using every means possible to aid their sermon topic. They dive deep into original languages and historical fact and ancient buildings and much more. But concerning gays they just state it is sin.
The gay issue is so simple because there are really only 14 verses to really deal with that has anything to do with same sex sex. A couple of the 14 verses do not mention same sex sex but or so commonly connected to the anti gay doctrine and have been a part of it from the beginning in the 12th century when the Catholic invented it to purge leaders that did not agree with them. It took 100 more years for the Protestants to adopt that doctrine. It is also interesting to note that the Greek word 733 arsenokoites (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace) can be documented to have been used only 76 times up to the 16th century when the Protestants adopted the Catholic anti-gay doctrine. 733 arsenokoites (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace) in those 76 times that a meaning is possible meant sex out of species otherwise where it could not be determined what it meant there was no sign in the usage of 733 arsenokoites (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace) to have any way at all to connect it to gays.
With a wealth of history still pastors or those that condemn gays just won’t present an explanation how they get Bible words to be talking about gays. Likewise ex-gays never do anything except adopt in full and become a MP3 player for the recorded 12th century antigay doctrine. They do not go do research except using homophobic materials.
When I accepted Jesus I committed my life to him and included though the pastor never mentioned or talked about gays just said pray the sinner’s prayer after some 100 people came up in a prophecy rally. I meant my prayer goes something like this one:
To accept Jesus pray this prayer:
God be merciful to me a sinner! I believe Christ died on the Cross for me, that God rose him on the 3rd day, and that His Precious Blood will cleanse me from all my sins. Forgive me of my sins and come into my heart as my Lord and my Savior. Help me Lord to do thy will each day. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.
TO understand accepting Jesus read these verses at: http://gays4jesus.com/saved.html also ask Jesus to baptize you in the Holy Spirit. You will speak in tongues. Acts Ch 2 Read the KJV Bible to learn more about Jesus.
If you prayed and meant this prayer let me know gay4jesus@gays4jesus.com
I told God see 3 feet behind me (I was standing at the altar with 100 others accepting Jesus, my lover sitting in the first row) my lover whom I love if gay is sin like Christian say then as I said I would accept you if you were truth and so if gay is sin then I will leave my lover. Show me if gay is sin or not.
I nearly lived in Christian book stores reading everything I could on gays. Now this was 1974 mind you and there were only homophobic materials. I read and read and read for years everything. I read the parallel Bible versions and ones with Hebrew and Greek originals written under the English. I went to the library and read everyone on gays. I also was not out of the closet to friends or family or work, but in my private life with my lover we went everywhere. A gay rodeo with over 55,000 gays that turn Reno once a year into a gay city. If you looked out your window for those 4 days all you could see are gays on the streets of Reno and go into all the Casinos just gays, really hard to see if there were any str8s. I was with my lover whom I loved and so was not there to find sex but we went dancing and hit every gay bar in Reno (before saved). I read every gay newspaper nearly from all over the world. I knew what was happening and the progress of the works to get equal rights and court cases, I knew the pros and cons and I watched every talk variety TV show where often it was antigay against (pro)gays. I been to a few myself.
I read many gay stories and research studies and many types of situations. I knew gay history. I spent every night in gay dance bars mostly for 8 years after I divorced my lover that was with me for 10 years. So I saw gays coming and going meeting people then disappearing, Talked to many saw patterns and trends and more. If you go to bars to find pain you find it if you go to enjoy dance you enjoy dance, if you go to drink you get drunk of buzzed if you don’t drink or drug these don’t effect you. People make their lives. Hang out with evil and evil comes your way.
After I accepted Jesus we stopped going to bars I never drank (drinking for me was hey let have fun party dance, never much a problem) that year I stopped had enough hangovers and 3 weeks later met Jesus. But we stopped bars partly because now I could see satan tactics on certain people more clearly so I thought. And we stopped drinking anyway.
Divorce gay or str8 is never fun but very similar, but I am not talking about that here in this topic. I been to nearly every gay bar in the LA area, mainly to see read and dance with my lover. Point here is to give background keep this in mind as you read the above.
I spent a while getting involved with gay Christian outreaches and spent over 7 years total in MCC, but also not missing my own church the Assemblies of God, now in my 35th year with them.
I for a time was getting involved with secular active movements and even on interfaith meeting of leaderships of the various gay faith groups. The above it a very small part of the story behind my desire to seek truth.
In the Christian books stores in the 1970s even though all material was against gays because I was gay and I do know gays after all maybe gay bars are not the best place to get a good picture, but in those days about the only place gays could meet was in a bar or a park and I was not into park meetings. I was into the boy meets girl they date they fall in love they marry except it was boy meets boy instead of boy meets girl. THIS SHOULD BE KEY FOR YOU TO FIND GAYS IN THE BIBLE!
Reading news about gays all around the world and movements to get gay rights and stop the horrible abuse of gays just because they are gay. No agenda just simply stop condemning us. AND being gay myself then reading book by homophobes in Christian book stores it was easy to see lie after lie. NOW if God is truth how can GOD condemn gays with lies? But none the less lie after lie after lie about gays were in these books by Christians some quite well known.
Comparing Greek to English I saw sodomite in no way shape of form meant gays. And commentaries often related it to sodomy. This word was invented in 900AD as an attempt to keep str8 sex in the missionary position. It also

Tribulation You will be there for 1260 DAYS

Thribulation
Come to Jesus in love not fear

FEAR OR LOVE

Why did you or are you thinking about coming to Jesus?

These days and for a lot of Christianity the message is fear what may happen to you if y ou do not accept Jesus. Just got through watching Hal Lindsey. I use to watch him decades ago and once in a while I catch a bit of his show. He strongly believe Christian will not go through the Trib, but it was him that convinced me Christians will go through part of the TRIBULATION period.

On a TBN Praise the Lord show the host took on rolls of pre-trib, mid-trib, and post trib. Hal did the mid-trib roll. All 100% believe in pre-trib.

Hal used a coouple verses to show how mid-tribbers may believe in a mid-trib Rapture.

Rev 11:1818 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. (KJV)
Rev 20:55 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. (KJV)

I was very much a pre-tribist at the time though I had many questions about many things that did not make since about why the Bible so detailed so many events that seem to be Christian oriented in a world devoid of Christians. So much effort by satan to hurt Christians and all these Christians are all 100% new born babes in Christ because no other Christian was left on Earth. Pre-tribists did not explain well how 144,000 people can suddenly and instantly become believers and able to be mature messengers of God, or how the TWO Witnesses were "left behind" this defies all Christians being Raptured.

People close enogh to Jesus were "left behind" otherwise you have to have unbelievers suddenly realizing Jesus is real and they accept him and somehow got so much from God to be able to go out and preach up a storm. Yes people are amazing, but come on now this is like anytime you can't explain evolution just add a few million years to the timeline and get what you needed evolved.

The of course Jesus tells me lots of things and show me much, there is just to much the pre-trib avoeds. It is like homophobes, saying "its in the Bible" then nothing more need to be said or explained. That statement is good enough. Well satan has been busy for the last 5000 years after that FLOOD and Noah had to start humans all over again.

History tells many stories, the Bible tells many stories, and these add up to more than a pre-trib explains.

1Thes 4:1717 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (KJV)
1 Cor 15:5252 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (KJV)
1Thes 5:99 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, (KJV)

Above is the main verses used to show pre-trib. but the WRATH of God is not the first 3.5 years:

Rev 15:77 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever. (KJV)

Now I am sure you may come up with a few more verses here and there to try to maintaain pre-trib Rapture, but I think you should ask yourself where is are verses that tells about a 3rd major rising of the dead and at whaat point does Jesus give Christians their rewards?

"..and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great.."

There is a finite time frame of several events taking place

Rev 10:77 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. (KJV)
Rev 11:1515 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. (KJV)

The 7th trumpet is significant so many things are finished that puts Christians in Heaven with Jesus. The dead in Christ, the living in Chirst, the Temple opened, the Mystery Finished, the REWARDS given and more.

Now God had his patern of behaviors, namely he rises nations into super powers to spank Israel. After that spanking he destroys those nations. So by observing objectively the rise of antichrist's kingdom we see a super power being produced. This power top priority is hating God's people and killing them. We as Christian should know satan in not in this to have some sort of worldly gain, but that satan's quest is to be god. satan completely dispires humans especially those that accept Jesus.

Satan has spent 5000 years to prepare the world to kill off Christians. As Christians we should realize so much time has been invested into this 7 year period that how can it be that zap were are all gone. What a let down for satan, he wasted 5000 years. You see in the depths of the coming antichrist's kingdom is a great deal of works designed to GET you. If you are gone he really has no point.

What a leap of faith to believe majically huge numbers of brand new Christian will suddenly appear. hard to comprehend such massive revival even when we try you simply cannot obtain numbers to compensate for the degree of projects ready to deal with living Christians. On top of all this we stupid dumb disobendiant braveless Christians are gone, we have no chance at all to demenstrate our love for Jesus. Being Last Days Christians has no meaning. Those that were often thrown to the lions were more commited to Jesus that wwe can imagine. Again, I want to make it clear that you are not going to leave Earth so quickly.

3.5 billion at least will be killed before you leave. This means all living Christian today has all and much more opportunity to fill eternity with stories of deeds done in the Last days. Never before has Christians faced a time that brought Jesus back to Earth. TRADE your pre-trib ticket to heaven in for a mid-trib departure date.

Today and for a very long time and as evident by history a common message to the unsaved is FEAR of hell or the TRIB. Come to Jesus because you will miss FEAR.

2 Tim 1:77 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. (KJV)

This verse is so taken out of context and use so often to try to get Christians or potential Christians to think they have a free ride to Heaven.

Your hearts will fail you because of the coming FEAR. You babies killed in your sight your wives raped in your site and worst. YES you will be in a line watching those in front of you get their heads chopped off. This is literal, though many methods to kill you will be used this one will be very popular and the chopping blocks are being installed at an alarming rate.

So yes knowing you can come to Jesus to miss all this is a very inviting solution. The incomprehesible part of a scared to Christ salvation message is the purpose Jesus came. It is not about avoiding eternal death and perhaps being able to actually be dramatically protected by Jesus at times, it is about JESUS himself. Jesus is real and he loves you and he is the one that became human so he could die horribly on the Cross. He was able to rise and will return soon. This word LOVE is why we should accept Jesus. I know it is easy to say we love Jesus after all he died so we don't have to and in this is another key "so we don't have to".

What I want to try to do is get your thoughts in line so that you will think of Jesus more than a deliverer, more than a protector, more than payment for your sins, but as your eternal best friend. Te reason to go to Heaven show not be flowers and singing birds many that had near death experiences tell us. It is not about your mansion in Heaven and coming down to Earth. It is not about eating and not getting fat. It is not about no more sorrowfull tears or pain. Praise God for all this, but it is about Jesus HIS SON.

We should love Jesus not just because he died for us or wil protect us or heal us (praise God he does these things) but that he our brother, God adopted us. We are Jesus' friend. Heaven is not going to be a place that we are free to roam about without Jesus.

Heaven is not well dad's busy and Jesus is over th ere so we can go play somewhere with out Jesus. Eternity is with Jesus. A decision for Christ is eternity with him. We won't be disapointed, but we really need to think about Jesus not what scary things we will miss. Won't be fun at all when the scary things begin to happen and then you have to deal with your conditionings that it should not happen.

When you are in your fear you have Jesus. Watching head get chopped off and having a relationship with Jesus will change how we deal with impending DEATH. Worst thing I can think of that tears my guts up is linstening to Christian claim their faith in Jesus is all they need and almost like who cares what may happen. Humans do not work like that except in fantiscyland.

We are sort of attached to things and when things are good we can say many things like no one can shake yur faith in Jesus, but you never really been shaken. Events will change this. A spiritual condition will change that centers on what faith really is to you. You will see th ing you though could not happen to you.

Unless you experience certain things often all we can to is give it a repectfull perimeter. We can resect other that might have been raped and worse and we can be quite sadden by cruety of far alway places and also of certain individual, but to relate to the sort of brutality we never experience and state noting can perswade us from our faith. Well you may keep your faith, but we don't often think about bad things happening to us. These are the Last Days we do not have a lot of Bible that says the time before the TRIB and during the TRIB will be fun. We know many miracles will happen. But HEY 3.5 billion people killed in 42 months time is not a pretty picture. Worst is ignoring this is about to happen.

Take a look at your loved ones. The plan is to seperate your loved ones from your permenantly. Can you bare it. Those that are the main ones that will be directly us and taking us here or there aren't symphaticly inclined to our fate. There is no easy way to make the coming days a wonderful time to live in. All you have will be taken. Your body is at their mercy to be harmed and killed and used as slaves.

Tracking devices are well established to the point that enough info can be sored on your person and tracked from a satilite that bands that go out destroying tech will have little success in shutting down the tracking. You just are not going to be about to work buy or sell or hide. Hunger is a traait that needs immediate action and Jesus is not going to be protecting every Christians. Your chances are you will die for Christ, really actually in totaal numbers of Christians few will make it to the Rapture, most will be killed.

Coming to Christ "OUT of FEAR OR OUT of LOVE" You as a Christian must quickly come to grips with THE LAST DAYS.

To accept Jesus pray this prayer: God be merciful to me a sinner! I believe Christ died on the Cross for me, that God rose him on the 3rd day, and that His Precious Blood will cleanse me from all my sins. Forgive me of my sins and come into my heart as my Lord and my Savior. Help me Lord to do thy will each day. In Jesus name I pray. Amen. TO understand accepting Jesus read these verses at: http://gays4jesus.com/saved.html

Also ask Jesus to baptize you in the Holy Spirit. You will speak in tongues. Acts Ch 2 Read the KJV Bible to learn more about Jesus.

If you accepted Jesus tell me, if you know Jesus tell me (us) how you came to know him "OUT of FEAR OR OUT of LOVE"

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UFOs are they part of the plan?

We hear a lot about UFOs and it does not seem to matter how much info is on them or how many seen them up close and personal it is never good enough. BUT is there some sort of connection to you as a Christian?

Right now what everything is about is Christians. This is a flat out bottom line FACT. May sound not appropriate to say, but my point is on my BLOG I am a Christian not any other religion so for me this means BIBLE or nothing. This does not mean because some cannot find it or just can't see it in the Bible does not mean it is not in the Bible.

Point is as Christians we should have a starting point to prove all things. Usually science sort of starts with what is seen then try to figure it out and the Bible is simply not an ingredient most of the time. We would be far more advanced if science would start with the Bible and sort out information seen to clear out or advance on the issues of science.

So Christians should realize what ever is heard out there may have roots in the Bible. Just because something is from a New Age source does not mean it has to be completely wrong. Humans are very interesting they really do want and seek truth which has many barriers.

There are elaborate UFO ALIEN stories that gives us an account of all history back a billion years to beings of light that are going to arrive here soon in our life time. It is easy to toss them all out, but tossing them out means you may actually lost something of value called TRUTH.

Most popular story is in a planet size spaceship many species of intelligent aliens are coming to Earth to change life as we know it. Some aliens are good some not so good. Point is you know for a fact this story cannot be truth as told because you know the ending of the story and the story does not end with aliens arriving at Earth to change us.

But why this story and why the elaborate mechanisms of elements of the story that details so many aspects of these coming aliens that will be headed up by beings of light that are over 1 billion years old?

Well not wanting to go into details you can read all these stories yourself my point is elements in most everything in the world have deep roots into traces to the real story which we see in the Bible. Even the Bible is so coded that we hardly get very far in understanding the vastness of God and Jesus Christ let alone how that vastness can be so personal with us individually.

Not only is it exciting to think about UFOs (on my YouTube site I have several clips and on it is of a 4 second clip of a UFO that flew over my house while people are watching my other clips the UFO on this day of writing this blog had 825 hits compared to 30ish hits of other clips) it is really curious how they may fit into GOD and the Bible. Some people want to turn everything God into a UFO or Alien no matter how clear the Bible explains it is God.

When talking about things that could explain real aliens and UFOs the Bible tends to be very vague. But it does have some areas that gives you clues that comes to light with modern discoveries. Lots of Christians can see God gave Lucifer orders to create (actually manufacture, satan can't create) intelligent beings. Enough vague info and facts exists to make a nice story that could be somewhat like what happened. Before Adam and before water covered the Earth that was there before Adam the Earth had a vibrant population of intelligent beings and so did most likely all the planets. These are what Lucifer made and they populated all the Solar System.

This story may seem far fetched, but like I am trying to say is something very big was going on before time as we know it. As Christians there existed no time with out God and without other beings like angels at least. We call our last 6000 years as Christians "time" and in 1000 years this thing called "time" will go back to before Adam's time. ETERNITY we call it. Today we can look at NASA photos of Mars and other planets and see what looks like great destruction. Lots of explanations but few related to God.

We know God came and talked at length with Moses, after all 40 days and nights twice and them often in his tent. Jesus was 3 years with his disciples and they say all the book in the world could not contain the things he said a did during those 3 years.

Then of all things we got the bazaar ingredients. We got folk that God zapped them to the far reaches of the universe and shown them tons much they can't explain and much they turned into doctrines and occultics works. When humans get a good zap from God it sort of makes us think we know the truth and so how we tell other is absolute instead of WOW what an experience now how can I explain this or figure out what it means.

Problems with getting zapped is we see what is shown us and we forget the Bible is still there and nothing past away in it and all things still has to be confirmed by it or else all you have is an interesting experience that was astounding to say the least but taken out of context of the Bible it becomes another bazaar tail.

Today people see things touch things are shown things and they have a powerful drive to tell others. Testing these stories is not something you do to prove them a liar (I am talking about genuine people that really got zapped as it were) They are trying to tell what they experienced and this has to be compared to what they already know about life and already conditioned to.

I can truthful say I saw a UFO I got 4 second of video, but with a camera that could only show a tiny shinny speck. I did not think of have time to get my other camera that had a tri-pod and could zoom in close enough to show the bolts it was put together with. But I did grab my binoculars and saw the UFO up close. 100% guaranteed it was nothing possible on Earth and I am quite the avid secret govt researcher to all thing they have in the works in regards to secret aircraft or the like. I also handed the binoculars to another person who saw and described the same thing I saw. It looked like it was a fighter battle ship from starwars. It did not look peaceful.

So I can truthfully say I saw something and no skeptic would be right to say I saw swamp gas. But I cannot tell you what it really is because it did not land and they did not get out to introduce themselves. Some people say this has happened to them. But what does the Bible say?

The Bible does not say aliens can come in and take over, but it does say satan sown tares in the fields with the wheat. The Bible says those that came down had sex with Earth women and their children became famous men. History and some elite groups actually claim to be their descendants and these people are not fly by night flakes but very high up in the elite one world government leadership.

Also there is strange information about our technologies that indicate NASA can use the sky as a horizon to horizon video monitor. So many possible answers can be the truth about strange things we see up close, but unless we associate them with the Bible you will be gradually convinced the bible can't be true and what you see hear touch smell and taste must be real after all.

The Bible says we will be terrified what we see in the sky, it does not say what we see is what it is. We need to become scared out of our wits so we can beg Antichrist to save us. As Christian we assume we do not need satan to save us because we have Jesus so salvation is secure.

If salvation was so secure why so much detail about the coming terror? Is God scaring us to accepting Jesus? No God is not even giving it a thought that we should be scared into accepting Jesus. If we get scared into accepting Jesus then we came to Jesus not for forgiveness of sins but out of fear of what we see in the sky.

I find all this info about many things really exciting because people discover things we miss and we can glean out something from them. This has to be done with the consideration of how are you looking at their info. Up front they are flat out wrong there is no other god and no other way so their way will not prepare you for eternity at all you are doomed from the get go. Again I am not trying to be sarcastic about other religions or beliefs outside religion, but I am speaking to those that call themselves Christians. Christians are truth seekers and eternity is with Jesus Christ. Get some other idea about the Bible or being a Christian and you are on the road to accepting the New World Order and Antichrist.

Fake Rapture, fake second coming counterfeits of everything God are well established and ready to be turned on if not already effecting you. It is important to Christians to figure out they are not the past 2000 years of Christianity. You are the Last Days Christians. It is different now. Corruption is very deep in those that control the church. Most often 33rd degree Mason control vast groups of Christians, modern versions are conditioning you to accept Antichrist and what are you doing defending these modern versions?

One world religion groups are very much part of every day church life. This is like satan and Jesus is holding hands going out into the world to do good deeds together. WE vote into power leaders that are directly supporting a one world government. We could figure it out and run write in campaigns but instead we listen to what sounds the best and if they hate what you hate that is your choice. So we allow candidates to run that we can know beyond doubt with our great resources that the are 33rd degree Masons.

33rd and above Mason believes Lucifer never fell and is god and that GOD is the evil god.

Many of us claim to be Pentecostal but somehow it is really hard to find healing rallies. Jesus what did he do? He got 12 guys together (indications is he did not magically pick them, but already knew them and they could most likely have known him and so that day came and he said come with me they dropped everything and went with him. Then what? Seems like every time Jesus spoke he held a healing rally and every sick person got healed. He said we'd do more then he did.

It is about all we can do is at some point is a sermon have a invitation but to lay hands on the sick is rare it seems.

Point is 2000 years of Christianity is over NOW we enter a NEW time "the time of the end" Last Days" "end of days" what ever we call it. I remember when I first accepted Jesus it was spoken of that those alive in those last days and were Christians it would be a new era for Christians it would not be status quo anymore, change would be in the air. So tell me why when some things that seem to goes again your grain you defy so vehemently?

Can you as a Christian no matter what your denomination just think for a second what it means to be alive in the Last Days?

Will you take a chance and go the second mile? Will you figure out something? Hey respect your pastor, respect others, but remember your sole and your eternal spirit and Jesus Christ.

IT IS NOT THE LAST 2000 YEARS ANYMORE!

"Rapture ready" we are not. We will not all vanish before the TRIB. All the information given us in the Bible about the TRIB is not so we can watch from are supper table in Heaven with Jesus and think wow we missed all that but we were told it would be like this so it is like what the Bible said. That is not how the Bible works.

Again all that matters is God and Jesus Christ and Christians (YOU). God is not out to punish unbelievers God is out to get you ready for eternity with Jesus Christ his Son. What happens on Earth is your readiness school. Most people die first and so the class is finished in DEATH'S GATE. If you make it to the GRAVE still with faith in Jesus Christ then you are guaranteed to pass trough DEATH'S GATE to eternity.

But if you are alive you still can choose from what is going on around you. And the RAPTURE is not an everyday occurrence and requires special conditions like the PASSOVER did. The Passover needed blood on the door posts and mantle so DEATH would passover them.

RAPTURE is not some parlor trick or some snap of God's figures to make it take all Christian up instantly. Something more has to be done before you are RAPTURE READY. The Bible tells us there are 1260 days set to get Christian RAPTURE READY. This is when the TWO shuts off the WATER and that will have a dramatic effect on all living Christians. Best way to explain what you FEEL is Jesus completely forsook you. Whats worst is satan has waited long for this moment to engage many great deceptions while you are confused and trying to perk up your faith and remember Jesus will never forsake you. After 3.5 billion people are killed on Earth we are coming into some REAL RAPTURE READY Christians and if God waits much longer all may perish.

Once that RAPTURE happens it is still a GOD/Christian world thing not a unbeliever thing. And so another 1260 days maybe a little less to get those that Christians that were not RAPTURE READY in line for possible eternity with Jesus. These would survive the TRIB in a number of about 1 billion.

It is not until the last day of the TRIB does it become a GOD/unbeliever thing. It takes Jesus a short period of that day to kill all unbelievers. Then he starts his 1000 year reign on Earth with those surviving 1 billion people.

Those 1 billion themselves all may go to Heaven to, but some may not and many their children may not as the last 7 years of the 1000 years satan gets let out and he wins many to hell.

It is important to know the story's ending so other stories can be gleaned for pieces of the puzzle but won't take on a doctrine of its own and substituted for the Bible.

To accept Jesus pray this prayer: God be merciful to me a sinner! I believe Christ died on the Cross for me, that God rose him on the 3rd day, and that His Precious Blood will cleanse me from all my sins. Forgive me of my sins and come into my heart as my Lord and my Savior. Help me Lord to do thy will each day. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.

TO understand accepting Jesus read these verses at: http://gays4jesus.com/saved.html Also ask Jesus to baptize you in the Holy Spirit. You will speak in tongues. Acts Ch 2 Read the KJV Bible to learn more about Jesus.

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Pastors. . . What do you think

Pastors have you taken a moment to re-evaluate yourself and other pastors and clergy? With every click of the mouse you can read so much info concerning actual facts in our times. These facts agree almost not given a second in any church. We really do not see pastors standing up to speak about the times as they really are. What pastors do is search for sins in ordinary people's lives. Pointing out people's sins is appearing to be the most important process for a good many pastors today.

Secondary seems to be this continuing trend that the Bible is a gt rich quick book or a few short steps to happiness guide.

Thirdly church has become an entertainment center with competition to out do a neighbor church.

Somehow any Bible will do just find one that you like and it is God's word.

So many signs so many prophecies of these days and still so many of us seem to go on as if there will be many tomorrows.

Pastors when will you act like you are called by God and so prepare his people for his soon return. I know you must think you are doing this, problem is this whole idea the Christians love truth boggles the mind to the truth that is so available but ignored by Christians.

Some things that are well documented but never heard in church are the chemtrails. Diseases that are manufactured to kill masses of people. Concentration camps designed for mainly Christians. We are so easily steered away from truth by calling something a conspiracy theory that we completely at as though life is exactly as we see it not as what it is or reported to be.

Plan is to kill off 5 billion people, but we sing lovely songs and listen to pastor tell us how we can get God to give us more prosperity. Only thing we say about the coming days is we won't be here so who ever is left they deserve it. There are major religion with main goals of creating a one world religion. Christian church are supporting this too so you as a pastor why haven't you taken time to see what you are supporting is really of God or not.

Major Christian groups are so thoroughly connected to Freemasons and yet not a peep about this by pastors as the speak on Sunday mornings or anytime else. We fight hard for presidential candidates but spent no time at all looking into their Freemason status.

Prophecies abound that say God is against pastors and the time has come to do something about it. The Bible talks of a forth level of disobedience and the results of this in Lev 26. We are in the 4Th level today.

Pastors don't you know you are living in the Last Days and this means you are a Last Days' Christian and that no other time in history has had a time like we are now going into. The Apostles are said to have turned the world upside down, I tell you God is about to turn the world right side up and you do not have a clue.

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